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Hi my grandfather was in the Liverpool Kings Regiment during WW1. No photo has survived of my grandfather but I have found his service card. This tells me he was in France, with details below. Can anyone help with this. It would be a long shot. But I'm wondering if anyone has any photos of this regiment. I don't know what he looked like as he died in 1924 from a heart condition, which was accelerated after being gassed in the trenches. But I might be able to see a resemblance in him to one of his 5 young children he left behind.
Date of entry 1-5-1915.
Liverpool R Pte. 10912
Lab Corps. Pte. 410298
Next to Victoria- Under Roll it says: LC/101 B148. Page 15010
Next to British - 'do' Page 'do'
Under Medals it says: Star. 15. LC/ 8c Page W/100/3
Theatre of War: (1) France
Under Remarks: Class Z. 9-4-19.
Thank you
HG2
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Hi, I meant to post this on the message board not as a poll, sorry. I'm not sure what a poll is! But I've posted this message where I intended it to go. So can this post be deleted ? I've included a name on the other post
Thank you
HG2
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Hi
Don't worry - I've already notified the moderator and they will do what's necessary
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Thank you... this entire thread can be deleted. I'm sure they'll be away for me to do it myself, but not very good at this.
HG2
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Hi
You cannot completely delete your own thread - you can only remove text from it
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Hello Harry2`sgirl. my dad was in The king`s Liverpool Regt.during the First World War. there were 49 Battalions. I don`t think your G/faher and my dad would be in the same one . Dad joined in 1916 when he was 18 years old. Went to France in Feb 1917, was wounded, taken prisoner and repatriated in 1919.
In 1958 the Regiment amalgamated with The Manchester Regiment and became the presnt day King`s Regiment.To get info about him you must apply to:-
RHQ KINGS (1)
ARDWICK GREEN.
MANCHESTER. M12 6HD
I have a photo, but it is unlikely your chap is on it given the different dates etc. It is about half a mile long!!!
There was fierce fighting at a place called Hoogh near to Ypres where the King`s Liverpools showed great courage and valour. There is a memorial nearby. Hope this is of help. Viktoria.
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Hello Harry2`sgirl. my dad was in The king`s Liverpool Regt.during the First World War. there were 49 Battalions. I don`t think your G/faher and my dad would be in the same one . Dad joined in 1916 when he was 18 years old. Went to France in Feb 1917, was wounded, taken prisoner and repatriated in 1919.
In 1958 the Regiment amalgamated with The Manchester Regiment and became the presnt day King`s Regiment.To get info about him you must apply to:-
RHQ KINGS (1)
ARDWICK GREEN.
MANCHESTER. M12 6HD
I have a photo, but it is unlikely your chap is on it given the different dates etc. It is about half a mile long!!!
There was fierce fighting at a place called Hoogh near to Ypres where the King`s Liverpools showed great courage and valour. There is a memorial nearby. Hope this is of help. Viktoria.
I have this old postcard which mentions where be was when he wrote it, but it's hardly visible
EDIT:
(http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu167/Bimboalbum/sc0060269d-1.jpg)
I've just realised this thread has been duplicated & so will be deleted soon. So I will transfer my posts tot he other thread when that happens.
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Hi H2C
That number was used by a number of KLR battalions, and none of them appear to have entered France in May 1915. But the post card is the key. It gives his battalion as the 4th. They were pre-war Special Reservists (ie part-timers) who became full-time at the start of WW1. They went to France in March 1915, so he was a later replacement.
I can tell you that 10387 was issued in the 3rd/4th Battalions in August 1913, so 10912 have been issued near the start of WW1. It may even have been issued before WW1 started.
Their uniform was very similar to most of the other battalions. Only the shoulder titles were different. So search for Liverpool Regiment or KLR and you will find something. You should ignore the Rifles (6th Battalion), Liverpool Irish (8th), Liverpool Scottish (10th) and the Liverpool Pals (17th to 20th Battalions).
Ken
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Hi H2C
That number was used by a number of KLR battalions, and none of them appear to have entered France in May 1915. But the post card is the key. It gives his battalion as the 4th. They were pre-war Special Reservists (ie part-timers) who became full-time at the start of WW1. They went to France in March 1915, so he was a later replacement.
I can tell you that 10387 was issued in the 3rd/4th Battalions in August 1913, so 10912 have been issued near the start of WW1. It may even have been issued before WW1 started.
Their uniform was very similar to most of the other battalions. Only the shoulder titles were different. So search for Liverpool Regiment or KLR and you will find something. You should ignore the Rifles (6th Battalion), Liverpool Irish (8th), Liverpool Scottish (10th) and the Liverpool Pals (17th to 20th Battalions).
Ken
Thanks for this Ken,
So he was in the army before WW1 began ?
He died in January 1924 age 44. His DC gives the cause of his death as:
" myocardial degeneration accelerated by being gassed in the late war"
I remember my mother telling me he never fully recovered after being gassed in the trenches.
He was relatively old when WW1 began, would this be why he was in the reserves perhaps ?
HG2
PS. So I need to pray that somebody just might have a photo of the 4th Battalion !
PPS. I notice the postcard also says: B Coy.... am I interpreting that correct ? So he was in B Coy 4th Battalion ?
PPPS... Sorry, last Q. Pte... Is that short for - Private ?
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I've found him on the National Museums Website. But nothing happens when I click on "order Results.
C&P'd
Surname Initials First name Rank Number
WELSBY WH PRIVATE 10912
Order results by
Page 1 of 1
This might only get me the service card, which I already have.
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Pte is short for Private. B Company was one of four company of about 250 men each.
He may have enlisted before WW1, or maybe at the start. If you have Ancestry and 2-3 hours I can tell you how you can try and find out.
Ken
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Hello Harry`sgirl2, most of the time solders were not exactly sure where they were and the phrase "Somewhere in France"was used even when they were in Belgium.
I imagine it was a security issue in case mail got into enemy hands.
I forgot to say that the info re searching for your soldier via The Kings Regiment at Ardwick Green was given to me from the Regimental Museum in Liverpool.So they ought to be able to help because even though the amalgamation was 1958 the records go right back.
Sadly the museum was under threat of closure. Google it and see what comes up. Good luck.
Viktoria.
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Hello Harry`sgirl2, most of the time solders were not exactly sure where they were and the phrase "Somewhere in France"was used even when they were in Belgium.
I imagine it was a security issue in case mail got into enemy hands.
I forgot to say that the info re searching for your soldier via The Kings Regiment at Ardwick Green was given to me from the Regimental Museum in Liverpool.So they ought to be able to help because even though the amalgamation was 1958 the records go right back.
Sadly the museum was under threat of closure. Google it and see what comes up. Good luck.
Viktoria.
It's survived !
Regimental Museum in Liverpool
The Museum of Liverpool Life and the King’s Regiment Museum closed on 4th June 2006. The new Museum of Liverpool opens at the Pier Head, Liverpool in 2011. It will feature the King’s Regiment collection and a First World War experience gallery. Archive inquiries should be sent to the Regimental Headquarters at citysecliv@lancs.army.mod.uk
Address:
King's Regiment Museum Collection
Museum of Liverpool Life,
Pier Head,
Liverpool,
L3 1PZ
Tel: 0151 478 4065
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Thank you so much, I never paid a visit sadly.
I`ll certainly make an effort now though.
I wonder if men were photographed individually when they enlisted ?
Otherwise how would you know which was him on a full Regimental photo?
Isn`t it frustrating when you have no photos.I hope you succeed in your quest. Viktoria.
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Hi Viktoria
I know this is an old subject but i would just like to ask.
You said you dad went to france in Feb 1917 and you had a large photo of the regiment, can i just ask if he was in the 5th battalion by any chance.
Thank you
Colin
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Colin, so sorry this is so late , my father was in The 2/7 th King’s Liverpool.
Number 269558, so sorry to have missed replying to you.
Viktoria.
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Colin, so sorry this is so late , my father was in The 2/7 th King’s Liverpool.
Number 269558, so sorry to have missed replying to you.
Viktoria.
You should have the Photo of Wilfred in his Army Uniform included onto the Devereux Database of the King's Liverpool Regt
The Touch Screen Database is at the base of the Medal Tower of the King's Regt Display area on the 1st Floor in the Corner area at the Museum of Liverpool Life at the Pier Head
Joe Devereux and Member of my King's Liverpool Regt Facebook Group he runs the Database and no doubt has all the Military Records of Wilfred on his Database
There were 4 pages on my Granddad in 1/7th King's till he added my photo submitted of him.
I see 21 pages 9991 to 10012 of 10231 of the Burnt Attestation papers have Survived on Wilfred
Including his letter to the Army about the Blood Transfusion he gave that saved a Soldier before he himself became a POW
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Many thanks ,yes ,he had quite a scar on his arm ,in the bend of his elbow.
In a way he was lucky, missed The Somme and was prisoner by the time Passendale was going on!
I have photographs of him and some of fellow prisoners .
Again many thanks for the help you have given.
Viktoria.
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Oops
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Very many thanks ,I knew some but not the Regimental details.
Yes it was near Armentiers,somewhere beginning with F,,Fromelles I think,Frehlingen?must look it up.
He had epilepsy after he returned and so he and my mother did not marry until they were
relatively old.She 37 and he 36, they waited until my father’s seizures had stopped for two years ,at that time it was considered after that long he would not have any more and he never did.
He did not get home I think until May 1919.
Lots of papers lost when his father’s house was totally destroyed in WW2, we have some and a couple of photographs including a very long one .
Many thanks again .
Viktoria
P.S Dad was in The Derby Scheme, so had two numbers the first 8278.
Viktoria.