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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: gerry65 on Sunday 13 February 11 20:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I would be most interested in finding details of three distant relations, both buried in a Cemetery in Leslie.
Thomas Scott b markinch(leslie) 12/6/1831 died Leslie(prinlaws) 31/5/1899. married 16/5/1853 (Jane) Townsend
Thomson, b leslie 19/4/1831 d leslie(prinlaws) 4/8/1914.
Also, Thomas,s mother Robina Scott(ms Miller) d leslie(prinlaws) 21/4/1862.
Any information would be most welcome
Regards Gerry
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I would be most interested in finding details of three distant relations, both buried in a Cemetery in Leslie.
Thomas Scott b markinch(leslie) 12/6/1831 died Leslie(prinlaws) 31/5/1899. married 16/5/1853 (Jane) Townsend
Thomson, b leslie 19/4/1831 d leslie(prinlaws) 4/8/1914.
Also, Thomas,s mother Robina Scott(ms Miller) d leslie(prinlaws) 21/4/1862.
Any information would be most welcome
Hi Gerry I have Photographed Leslie Cemetery and
I cannot see them on my index
Also Checked The Kirk on the Green Cemetery Leslie
this is the oldest Cemetery in the area, and nothing there.
IGI gives this as the children of Thomas & Jane Townsend
also is them in 1881 Census
7. THOMAS SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 MAY 1863 Leslie, Fife, Scotland
8. PETER SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 11 FEB 1869 Leslie, Fife, Scotland
9. ALEXANDER SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 SEP 1853 Leslie, Fife, Scotland
10. JOHN SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 MAY 1866 Leslie, Fife, Scotland
11. ROBERT SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 JUN 1860 Leslie, Fife, Scotland
12. ROBINA SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 28 DEC 1857 Leslie, Fife, Scotland
13. MARY ANN SCOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 24 AUG 1855 Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland
Dwelling: West Square
Census Place: Leslie, Fife, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203528 GRO Ref Volume 444 EnumDist 6 Page 28
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas SCOTT M 48 M Markinch, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Gasmaker
Townsend SCOTT M 48 F Markinch, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Robina SCOTT U 23 F Leslie, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Flax Mill Worker
John SCOTT 15 M Leslie, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Flax Mill Worker
Peter SCOTT 12 M Leslie, Fife, Scotland
NorrieG
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Hi Gerry meant to ask who did Thomas & Janes children
marry and will see if I can find them
NorrieG
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Hi Norrie and gerry65
Hope you don't mind me entering this thread and making enquiries...given that Norrie has posted he has details for Leslie cemetries? I'm looking to find if Norrie has any entries for Isaacs and/or Mathisons?
Many thanks
Jo
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Hope you don't mind me entering this thread and making enquiries...given that Norrie has posted he has details for Leslie cemetries? I'm looking to find if Norrie has any entries for Isaacs and/or Mathisons?
Hi Jo no problem not many for Issac but quite a few for Mathieson or Mathewson, but none for Mathison.
to check my index need 2 names
eg. John Isaac Margaret Cragie
these would be the father & mother names on stone
if you want children I need to know who they married
If you know the area that also helps
NorrieG
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Hi Gerry meant to ask who did Thomas & Janes children
marry and will see if I can find them
NorrieG
Hi Norrie
Thanks for info, already have the children. The only child I have investigated so far is my on direct line. He is Peter Scott he died in Barrhead(Nitshill) 1/10/1913. He married Elizabeth Cumming, daughter of David McRae Cumming, mentioned in other message. She was born in Largo in 2/8/1870 and died in Glasgow 5/6/1914. They were my great-grandparents.
Perhaps no headstone was erected in Leslie graveyards for Thomas and Jane. ?
Regards Gerry
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Hope you don't mind me entering this thread and making enquiries...given that Norrie has posted he has details for Leslie cemetries? I'm looking to find if Norrie has any entries for Isaacs and/or Mathisons?
Hi Jo no problem not many for Issac but quite a few for Mathieson or Mathewson, but none for Mathison.
to check my index need 2 names
eg. John Isaac Margaret Cragie
these would be the father & mother names on stone
if you want children I need to know who they married
If you know the area that also helps
NorrieG
:-\ I don't have two names
David Isaac, I think he may have died in Leslie then his wife moved to Kinghorn. Not certain though, since the 1841 census is unavailable, so not 100% if he was still alive/dead or in Kinghorn. Clutching at straws, nevermind.
The Mathewsons I'm looking for are two sisters - Elizabeth and Agnes, I don't think they ever married.
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David Isaac, I think he may have died in Leslie then his wife moved to Kinghorn. Not certain though, since the 1841 census is unavailable, so not 100% if he was still alive/dead or in Kinghorn. Clutching at straws, nevermind.
The Mathewsons I'm looking for are two sisters - Elizabeth and Agnes, I don't think they ever married.
Hi Jo nothing on David ISAAC
Like I said I need the fathers & mothers name
who were Elizabeth & Agnes parents and what area
NorrieG
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Hi Jo nothing on David ISAAC
Like I said I need the fathers & mothers name
who were Elizabeth & Agnes parents and what area
NorrieG
Parents are William Mathewson and Mary Miller.
I found Agnes (b. 1794) and Elizabeth (abt 1790) living in Prinlaws, Leslie (between 1851 and 1861), but they were both born in Kilconquhar.
Their other sister Sophie, was married to David Isaacs but as I said, she moved to Kinghorn.
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Hi Gerry, Townsend Thomson isn't my direct relative, her sister Margaret is. I couldn't find Margaret in the 1841 census but Townsend was living away from her family in Coaltown of Balgownie with the Gibson family as a 10 year old servant. She was back with her family again in Leslie in 1951 working as a flax spinner. I'm not sure what happened to her father John. I can't find his death or any sign of him in censuses.
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Hi Pete
I found something strange about Jane Townsend Scott nee Thomson.
On her death cert she died on 4/8/1914 in leslie age 83. She was widow of Thomas scott, gas maker. Her father was down as robert thomson and mother Mary thomson nee Millie.
I found a birth record for a Townsend Thomson b 19/4/1831 in leslie, father John Thomson and mother euphemia burt.
Marriage record shows a Thomas Scott married a Townsend Thomson in Leslie on 16/6/1853.
Thomas scott died 31/5/1899 in leslie, same address as Jane. he was a gas manager. his death cert states he was married to Jane townsend scott.
Also found a janet thomson born 23/8/1830 in markinch father robert thomson mother mary millie.
Do these names mean anything to you in your research? I wonder why the Jane is missing from Townsend,s name so often.?
Gerry
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Parents are William Mathewson and Mary Miller.
I found Agnes (b. 1794) and Elizabeth (abt 1790) living in Prinlaws, Leslie (between 1851 and 1861), but they were both born in Kilconquhar.
Sorry Jo nothing on Agnes & Elixabeth
NorrieG
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Thanks for looking NorrieG :)
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Gerry, I have 3 records of Townsend and non of them mention the name Jane. My family line is through John Thomson & Euphemia Burt. The Towsend name comes from her grandmother Townsend Dick married to James Thomson. They had a son Robert and I think possibly Townsend Thomson and Jane Townsend Thomson were 2 separate people and were cousins. Pete.
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Hi Pete
Thanks for that info. I,m still confused. Do you know if the Townsend Thomson in marriage records as marrying Thomas Scott (myGGG grandfather) in Leslie on 15/5/1853 is your Townsend.
? I can find some records of Jane Thomson,s around same birth date as the one I,m looking for but wrong mother and father. I can find no jane with father robert thomson and mother Mary Millie., So---
I have a Janet Thomson b to Robert Thomson and Mary Millie in Markinch on 21/2/1830, christened on 23/8/1830.(family search.org) Could she also be called Jane with the addition of Townsend as middle name.?
I have found a Townsend Thomson b Leslie on 19/4/1831, father John Thomson mother Euphen Burt.
I have a Thomas Scott d 31/5/1899 age 67, married to Jane Townsend Thomson.
Jane Townsend Thomson widow of Thomas Scott, died 4/8/1914, age 83. F Robert thomson. M Mary Millie. This would make her birth year 1831 though, not 1830 as Janet,s is.
In 1861 census Thomas Scott in Prinlaws, Leslie along with wife Townsend Scott and a few children. Also a Mary Thomson--sister-in-law do you know of her?
I cannot pin this down. Is janet really Jane Townsend Thomson. ?
Gerry
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Hi Norrie,
I was wondering if you could look up your index for Leslie Cemetery for any Wallace's. There may be quite a few.
Thanking you,
weemanswife
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I was wondering if you could look up your index for Leslie Cemetery for any Wallace's. There may be quite a few.,
Hi weemanswife not a lot of Wallaces in Leslie
these are the 4 I have
Les. 321 Andrew Wallace Eliza Lornie &Janet Blyth
Les. 116 James Wallace Maggie Mackie
Les. 141 William Wallace Ann Simpson
Les. 373 John Michie Jean Wallace
Give the 2 names your are looking for and I will check other cemeteries ( must have 2 names )
NorrieG
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Gerry, I've solved the riddle. There were indeed 2 Townsend Thomsons. Your relative Jane(t) Townsend b. 1930 to Robert and Mary died 1914 and my relative Townsend b. 1931 to John and Euphemia died also in Leslie in 1910. She was single. She may have had a child though as the relative who signed her death certificate was named as her grandson. Pete
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Hi Pete,
Thanks for that, that solves my problem. It is always annoying when things don,t fit into place, though so far back dates and names can get muddled. It looks like we are distant cousins, being offsprings of 1st cousins Margaret and Jane(t) Thomson. Jane is my great-great grandmother.
Regards Gerry
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Gerry, Margaret was my GGgrandmother so our common ancestor would be our GGGGparents James Thomson and Townsend Dick. Cheers Pete.
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Hi Dave
Found out going through census data that Townsend Thomson had on the 1861 census a daughter called Fanny (Phoolbred?) age 3 and another called Isabella Miller age 6 months. On 1871 census she had Euphemia(Fanny)? (Shortbied?) age 13, surname mix up no doubt. Isabella Miller age 10 and David Mu(a)rshall age 2. In 1881 she only had Euphemia S Thomson age 22 left at home. It looks like she never married but had 3 children.
Regards Gerry
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Does anyone please have an index. I am looking for Mary Black married to George Christie in the 1840s
Thank you
Julia
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Hi Norrie,
I wondered if there might be some burial/headstone information for the family of JOHN COWAN and MARGARET BLUE. If not in Leslie it's possible some of them are interred at Kirkcaldy.
With thanks,
Sage.
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Townsend Thomson was my GG grandmother. She was a dressmaker and must have been quite a "gal". She never married, but had 3 illegitimate children each by a different father. I have viewed all their birth certificates and they were all illegitimate. Her firstborn was Isabella Miller Thomson (my great grandmother) and no father's name is stated on the birth cert, but I assume it was someone with the surname Miller. Her 2nd child was Euphemia, the father being Thomas Shoolbred, and the 3rd was a son named David, no father's name mentioned. Townsend died in 1910 and her death certificate was witnessed by her grandson Robert Smith, the son of her daughter Euphemia. I know Townsend Thomson's grandparents were James Thomson & Townsend Dick but I would love to know where the Townsend connection came in. Townsend must have been the surname of one of the female relations in this line but I haven't found that person yet.
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I am new at this so hope this is how to contact someone. Jokdy refers to four people who are in my family tree e.g. David Isaac, Sophia Mathieson, William Mathieson, Mary Millar.
I would be grateful for any information
Sanmiguel
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Townsend Thompson, s grandparents were James Thompson, b 18/3/1757 , d 15/12/1819 in Coaltown of Balgonie and Townsend Dick, b 29/9/1767 in Abbotshall, d 5/1/1827 in Coaltown of Balgonie.
They married on 7/5/1790 in Markinch/Coaltown of B . I presume that is where the name Townsend came from. It lasted through generations, my great Aunt Jane Townsend Thomson Scott b 1919 had the name.
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Hi Gerry,
Please tell me how you connect back to Townsend Thomson? I would love to add you to my family tree on Ancestry.com
Thanks,
Nicky
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Hi Gerry,
Please tell me how you connect back to Townsend Thomson? I would love to add you to my family tree on Ancestry.com
Thanks,
Nicky
Hi Nicky,, My Thomson connection is through the son of James Thomson and Townsend Dick. He Was Robert Thomson b22/5/1807 in Markinch Died 13/12/1834. He was the brother of Townsend Thomson,s father John . His wife was Mary Millie b 1810 in Auchtermuchty, d 22/1/1859 in Leslie. She married an Andrew Brown in 1837 after the death of Robert.
One of Robert and Mary,s daughter' was Janet Thomson my GG grand mother. She was born in Markinch 21/2/1830, d 4/8/1914 in Leslie. She was also known in some census data as Jane or Townsend. In fact she had a sister called Townsend , b1832 and another sister Mary b 1834. They also had another 6 half siblings after their mother remarried.
Janet married Thomas Scott in Leslie 16/5/1853. They had around 7 children, my line through Peter Scott b11/2/1869 in Leslie. He married Elizabeth Cumming b2/8/1870 in Largo, in Leslie 15/4/1895. They had 3 children My Grandfather David McRae Scott, b 19/11/1898 in Renfrew, Jessie Miller Scott, b5/4/1903 and Jane Townsend Thomson Scott b 16/10/1910 also in Renfrew.
Hope this fills in a few blanks for you.
Regards Gerry
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks for the info.
My line back to James Thomson and Townsend Dick is as follows:
James Thomson (& Townsend Dick)
John Thomson (Euphemia Burt)
Townsend Thomson (unmarried - bore 3 illegitimate children)
Isabella Miller Thomson (& Alexander Matthew) (these 2 immigrated to South Africa)
George Matthew (& Myrtle Stone)
Jean Matthew (& Bill Bensimon)
Me
I think we are 4th cousins once removed!
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HiNicky , Thanks for that, it's very interesting. I think we are 4th cousins. My grandfather David McRae Scott married Agnes Jamieson in 1920 and they had 3 children, my mother, born 1920, who married my father Don Gerrard in 1944, my uncle Peter Scott and Aunt Elizabeth Scott. I have 3 younger brothers and my wife and I have 2 daughters and 8 grandchildren. It's amazing how a family tree spreads out over the generations.
Best wishes Gerry
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I find my family history to be utterly absorbing and can spend hours and hours researching & reading. I have recently submitted my DNA to Ancestry.com and am hoping that will help me find even more relations & maybe fill in a few of the more stubborn gaps. I love the stories about the people. Like my Townsend Thomson. I think she must have opened quite a few eyes & I would love to have met her. Back in the mid 1800's it was definitely frowned upon to have an illegitimate child, never mind 3! From what I have found on the census's and death certificates and so on, each of her 3 children had a different father. She never married and worked as a dressmaker in Leslie for most of her life. Her eldest child was fathered by Thomas Shoolbred - this is specified on the birth certificate. But her second child (my great grandmother, Isabella Miller Thomson) had no father specified on the birth certificate...but she was given the second name of Miller, so I assume that her father was a Mr Miller. One Isabella's death certificate in South Africa it is stated that her parents were James Miller & Euphemia Townsend - but this was a blatant lie. Makes me think Isabella was ashamed that she was illegitimate. I don't have a photo of her unfortunately. Thanks for getting back to me on all of this. I am going to be in England & Scotland in Sept & Oct 2016 to do some family tree research and am hoping to uncover some more information then.
Cheers,
Nicky
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:-\ I don't have two names
David Isaac, I think he may have died in Leslie then his wife moved to Kinghorn. Not certain though, since the 1841 census is unavailable, so not 100% if he was still alive/dead or in Kinghorn. Clutching at straws, nevermind.
Hi Jo,
Do you have the marriage for David Isaac & wife........what was her name, what were their ages, where/when were they married & do you have the details for the wife's death..when/where?
Annie
ADDED.......Do you have any info. at all on David & their children?
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Hi, new to this forum, so hope this is how to do it!
I have some info on David Isaac and Sophia Mathieson / Matthewson, who married in 1814 - the marriage was registered in both Dysart &Wemyss as respective parishes. They went on to have at least 10 children, one of whom was also named David Isaac - he is the one I'm most interested in. He married Ann Bell in Kinghorn in 1850.
Sophia Isaac ms Mathewson was born in 1791 in Kilconquar, and died in Kinghorn in 1869. She was widowed by 1851 - I have no details of what happened to her husband - indeed, he is our family mystery! Various rumours as to where he originally came from as the earliest record we have is his marriage in 1814. I do know he was living at Prinlaws, Leslie in 1835.
Would love to know if anyone has more info on the Isaacs or Matthewsons!
Wendy
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Hello Wendy
We may have been in touch before. So far I have got no further back than the David Isaac who was married to Sophia Mathieson - I too would be keen to learn more. What rumours have you heard about David Isaac's origins?
I did learn more about the family of David Isaac's son John - "my" part of that family. The eldest son was always either David Isaac or John Isaac, turn and turn about. If the eldest was David then one other son would be called John - and if the eldest son was named John then another son was called David. That held good for at least 5 generations.
My grandfather, a John Isaac, had children named David, William, John, James, Robert, Jean and Christina - six of those names match the names of the children of David Isaac and Sophia Mathieson, which can't be coincidence. It suggests my grandfather had a record going back at least three generations (i.e. to David Isaac, husband of Sophia); if I can find out what happened to his records then there may be some other clues as to origin.
If I have any future success tracking David Isaac I will post again on this forum.
Mike Isaac