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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: nthack on Sunday 13 February 11 10:11 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for information on James Walch Howarth and his father John Walch Howarth.
John died in 1856 and was married to Elizabeth Walker in 1852. His occupation was "cotton manufacturer". James died in 1886, divorced, alcoholic and extremely wealthy.
Does this rimg any bells with anyone? Surnames of Walch, Mather, Walker and Howarth from Radcliffe are ll possibles.
John was 33 when he died of TB.
Help please.
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Hiya ...according to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
John Walsh Howarth married Elizabeth Walker in 1852 at St Marys , Radcliffe, Bury CE22/2/113
was WALCH a mis spelling -or do you have him as WALCH and not WALSH ?
allan :)
his death is also John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856 so born 1822/23
allan :)
this looks good .....SAME CHURCH
13th November 1820 marriage of James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle a possible mother for John ?:)
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Hiya ...according to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
John Walsh Howarth married Elizabeth Walker in 1852 at St Marys , Radcliffe, Bury CE22/2/113 *
was WALCH a mis spelling -or do you have him as WALCH and not WALSH ?
allan :)
his death is also John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856 so born 1822/23
allan :) *
this looks good .....SAME CHURCH
13th November 1820 marriage of James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle a possible mother for John ?:)
* John Walsh Howarth married Elizabeth Walker Johns father was called Thomas Howarth Elizabeth Walker's father call William Walker. Married on 26th July 1852
* John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856 died 26th May 1856.
Migky ;)
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Thanks for your quick replies. I am afraid there is nothing new here.
I have John's death cert and he was 33, so born in 1823.
I have his marriage cert to Elizabeth Walker in 1852 too.
There is a John Walsh Howarth baptised in Radcliffe in 1840. If this was him, he would have been 17. Parents are Thomas Howarth and Ann Walch.
No sign of him in 1841 and 1851 census.
No sign of his probate either, so I'm not sure where the money came from.
The Walkers were farmers, but not particularly wealthy.
Any cotton mills of Radcliffe experts out there?
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http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/industry/
Migky ;)
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1851 census:
Stand Lane, Pilkington
Thomas Haworth, Head, Wid, 57, Cotton Gingham Manufacturer, Bury
John, Son, U, 27, Cotton Gingham Manufacturer, Radcliffe
James Hoyle, Nephew, U, 25, Warper, Pilkington
Regards,
Mo
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I take you also know John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856 died 26th May 1856, is buriad in ST. Mary's radcliffe ?
Migky ;)
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Possible death for Thomas:
Thomas Howarth, aged 64 registered in the sub district of Pilkington in 1857.
Mo
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Thomas Howarth buried in ST. Mary's Radcliffe April 30th 1857 age 64.
Migky ;)
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Many thanks again for all your speedy replies. I am beginning to piece it together.
Garstonite, where did you find the marriage of James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle?
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Many thanks again for all your speedy replies. I am beginning to piece it together.
Garstonite, where did you find the marriage of James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle?
go to www.familysearch.org ..home page ... go to search ...advanced search
James Howarth ... marriage .. 1820 ....England...
4 results .....all info of
James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle 13th November 1820 at St Marys ,Bury ,Lancashire
allan :)
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The James Howarth marriage ST. Mary's 1820 is in Bury Town center and not ST. Mary's Radcliffe.
Witness's John Cuncliffe & Thoma Crompton if it helps.
Migky ;)
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Thanks Migky...just over 2 miles apart...so it is worth having a look at....allan ???
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ST. MARY'S RADCLIFFE (http://www.radcliffeparishchurch.org.uk/history.htm)
ST. MARY'S BURY (http://www.buryparishchurch.com/)
Migky ;)
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Thanks for your quick replies. I am afraid there is nothing new here.
I have John's death cert and he was 33, so born in 1823.
I have his marriage cert to Elizabeth Walker in 1852 too.
There is a John Walsh Howarth baptised in Radcliffe in 1840. If this was him, he would have been 17. Parents are Thomas Howarth and Ann Walch.
No sign of him in 1841 and 1851 census.
No sign of his probate either, so I'm not sure where the money came from.
The Walkers were farmers, but not particularly wealthy.
Any cotton mills of Radcliffe experts out there?
'Walker'was a common name in the cotton industry in Radcliffe . The Walker Allen Company was a bleaching works ( I believe Walker was a christian name in this example)and the Walkers Foundry made and sold cotton manufacturing machinery all over the world. All the surnames you mention are very common today in Radcliffe.
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James Walch Howarth is my Great Grandfather .He married Ada Wild and they had a child named Elizabeth Walker Howarth . Ada and James divorced when Elizabeth was about 4 years old . Elizabeth married my grandfather George Robert Hutchinson Nicholson . James Walch Howarth married again to a lady named Amelia Keller in January 1886 , James died that same year in September. I have further details should anyone require same.