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I am trying to understand the life and times of Dr. Samuel Secker and one of his daughters Grace Gertrude Secker.
Dr. Secker was the father of my Great Grandmother, Grace Gertrude Secker.
Grace Gertrude Secker married Dr. John Edward Andrew,of Hemsworth,Yorkshire on the 27th June 1880 at St. John's Church,Melbourne,colony of Victoria
Constance Gertrude Andrew,my maternal grandmother was their first born., at Clunes,Victoria on 27th March 1881
They emigrated to the colony of Victoria as it was then ,arriving on the Steamer Liguira at Melbourne on the 27th June 1880, having embarked at London
Dr. Andrew commenced practice as a medical doctor,MRCS Lon.,LCP Ed., in Clunes in 1880 and Grace Gertrude Secker,his wife bore 9 children.
I am hoping that those names will connect with some other members interests.
I am grateful for any leads and/or information.
Thank you,
phipps1
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Have you checked freebmd? A birth is shown for Grace in 1857
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1861 shows her parents as Samuel & Elizabeth and her father was a doctor
The 1861 census reference is RG9 Piece 3425 Folio 57 Page 7
Have you bought a copy of your grandmothers birth cert to check the details
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See also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,513423.0/topicseen.html
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Carole,
I appreciate all the leads you have given me. Thank you !
I think the only Scottish link now is the Edinborough University one where I am trying to find out when Dr. Andrew graduated .
I agree that the Yorkshire connection is the appropriate one now.
I am not sure how to deal with that. Perhaps if I modify the Edinborough post,that will sort things out.Do you think so ?
Kind regards,
philip
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Just following through from the Scottish post and with some info on the Andrew and Secker families.
Firstly on the Andrew side, this looks to be John with family in 1861 - the children all show as having been born in Hemsworth, Yorkshire where the family are living in 1861:
Charles Andrew 40, school master and clergyman b. Ripley, Yorkshire
Mary B Andrew 33 b. Dorchester, Dorset
William T Andrew 10
Charles H Andrew 9
Jane A Andrew 6
John E Andrew 5
Mary T Andrew 3
Constance H Andrew 11 Months
Some staff show with them together with a number of pupils.
Ref: RG9, Piece 3441, Folio 5, Page 4
Can't easily see as yet John's family in 1871, although possible entries for some of the children working/visiting/ boarding as students around the country, but this looks a likely entry for his mother in 1881, already widowed at 33 Tyrwhitt Rd, Greenwich, London:
Mary B. Andrew 53, widow, School Mistress, b. Dorchester, Dorset
Constance H. Andrew 20, Assistant School Mistress, b. Hemsworth
Letitia M. Andrew 19, Student Of Medicine b. Hemsworth
Some staff and boarders also show in the household.
Ref: RG11, Piece 713, Folio 83, Page 8
For 1871, John Edward Andrew, 15, is boarding at the home of a Thomas Dixon, school master in the town of Bingley in Yorkshire.
By 1880 we know that John Edward had already left the UK with his marriage that year to Grace Gertrude.
Monica
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For Grace Gertrude Secker, I think she married on the day of her arrival in Australia! From that newspaper notice we had on the other post, the marriage date was 27 June 1880. This looks a possible shipping entry for her arrival:
Miss Grace Secker, 24, arrival port showing as Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney on 27 June 1880. Left from London on the Liguera.
No messing around on timings here, so has to be they romanced at home ;D From that marriage notice, both their parents, Charles Andrew and Samuel Hecker are already deceased, which fits with what we have for Mary Andrew in 1881.
Big Secker family in 1861 living in Wakefield, everyone showing as born in Wakefield apart from Samuel:
Samuel Secker 47, general practitioner b. Ryhill, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Walker Secker 41
Ada Emeline Secker 18
Maria Louisa Secker 17
Agnes Mirian Secker 15
George Herbert Secker 12
Walkr Vernon Secker 11
Samuel Wilfred Secker 9
Elizabeth Burrell Secker 7
Arthur Wellesley Secker 6
Grace Gertrude Secker 3
Charles Ernest Secker 2
Alice Maude Secker 1
Ref: RG9, Piece 3425, Folio 57 Page 7
By 1871, Grace shows as a pupil and living in Knaresborough.
Her father shows as widowed by 1871. The family mis-transcribed on the index I am looking at Jecker/Secker, and living in Wakefield:
Samer D Jecker 57, surgeon and general practioner b. Wraby Yorkshire
Arthur Wellesley Jecker 17
Elizabeth Burnell Jecker 18
Charles Ernest Jacker 12
Henry M Secker 10
Mary Ann Secker 58, sister b. b. Wraby Yorkshire
Arthur Billinson Secker 19, assistant
Mathree Ellen 25
Ref: RG10, Piece 4625, Folio 72, Page: 13
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Monica,This has really opened up things for me.
I am going to look at what I have from Scotland and this page later today,Sunday to see where I am going.
I appreciate your energy and patience very much.
Things my mother told me some 30 years ago about family are now starting to make sense.
You are very very kind to me !
Kind regards,
Philip
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Extract from The Standard (London, England), Tuesday, August 17, 1880:
MARRIAGES
ANDREW- SECKER - June 27, at St John's Church, Melbourne, Victoria, by the Rev. Gillman, John Edward Andrew, MRCS Lon, LCP Ed, JP of Clunes, third son of the late Rev. Charles Andrew of Hemsworth, Yorkshire, to Grace Gertrude, youngest surviving daughter of the late S Secker, FRCS, and LSA, of Wakefield.
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purp72, Wow ! You have just unravelled a mystery as to the medical schools my maternal Gt.Grandfather graduated from, and also where exactly he got married.
I am really appreciative of your wonderful assistance
Cheers,
phipps
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Phipps, I have just joined Rootsweb having found your interest in Samuel Secker of Wakefield. He was brother to Charles Secker, Veterinary surgeon, my x2 great grandfather. I have been researching my family history for 8 years and have included those who went to Australia in doing so.
If you would like to get in touch I may be able to help fill any gaps you may have.
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Phipps, I have just joined Rootsweb having found your interest in Samuel Secker of Wakefield. He was brother to Charles Secker, Veterinary surgeon, my x2 great grandfather. I have been researching my family history for 8 years and have included those who went to Australia in doing so.
If you would like to get in touch I may be able to help fill any gaps you may have.
Doroti, very interested !
Do you have Frances Secker of Croydon, London in your family history ?She died in her 90s in late 1990s ( approx) . I used to visit her when in London.
I think we should correspond as two live distant relatives by email.You haven't posted enough messages to be able to use personal message.
If you go to my profile you will see my email address.I would like to hear from you absolutely.I have quite a bit of information that might be useful to you too.
I have Dr. Secker's carriage clock.I inherited it from Frances Secker who never married.
Regards,
Phipps
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Hello again Phipps,
Being such a newby at this, I haven't yet found my way round it. Will tomorrow see if I can find your email and then we can share family info. Yes, I do know of Frances but she is on your side not mine. It was through her and the family of Samuel Junior, who was also a medic and who went to Aus around the same time as Gertrude did, that I have been able to get another generation back.
looking forward to sharing our researches!
Doroti
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Hello again Phipps,
Being such a newby at this, I haven't yet found my way round it. Will tomorrow see if I can find your email and then we can share family info. Yes, I do know of Frances but she is on your side not mine. It was through her and the family of Samuel Junior, who was also a medic and who went to Aus around the same time as Gertrude did, that I have been able to get another generation back.
looking forward to sharing our researches!
Doroti
Doroti,hello again-I am sending you a personal message.
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Phipps,
I have just joined the forum and came across the name Samuel Secker. I have his baptism details and some details of his parents if they would be of use to you. (I live just a few miles from where he was born!)
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Hi, I am descended from Dr Samuel Secker also. His son Samuel Jnr is my 2 x great grandfather. I stumbled across this post because I had shot down another rabbit hole, yet again getting distracted. I have not researched much on the Secker side of my family yet (it is on my rather long list) but if I can be of any help please let me know.
Sharon.