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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: yam on Thursday 10 February 11 23:07 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone any idea what this might be?
The word that follows Somersetshire.
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Can you give a bit more of the document so that we can compare other capital letters please?
*artle not sure on first letter, though.
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At first I thought it was an H but not so sure now.
Hope this helps.
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I'm quite sure it begins with an H, and the 'rtle' seems quite clear too. Hortle? Hartle?
Is the birthplace given on any other census? I see this is the 1851.
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To me it looks like N or M ... orth (or l) and then e
What is this person's place of birth on other censuses?
PS. Welcome to rootschat yam. ;D
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Hi,
Welcome to RChat
Here's a link to an online list of Parish names from Somerset Sh(ire) in the 19th Century
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/parishes.html#index
Cheers, JM
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I did try to find this person on another census, but couldn't find them. I will search again. I can't find any places in Somerset called anything like Hortle/Hartle, maybe it is just Somersetshire, North?
Anyway thank you everyone ... what a nice lot of people here on Rootschat!
Yam
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Was the person alive in 1861? Does the 1861 Census provide a clue?
Nigel
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Yartle ...Yardle ?
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Frustratingly, the 1861 census transcription says 'Somerset - Artiny' with the added remark 'place of birth not found'! Unfortunately I haven't been able to see the original.
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Hello yam,
I was just about to ask what are the census references for this person, but when I searched the 1851 there was only 1 person whose place of birth was transcribed as "Sh Hartle" (::)) which is Mary Evans. Here are the references in case any else wants to look.
1851: HO107/2051, Folio 225 Page 36
1861: RG9/2131, folio 18, page 28
On the 1861 - which I've attached - it looks like Artery to me, but that's not a place as far as I know... ???
Alexander
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There doesn't appear to be any place with a name like Artiny/Artery in Somerset either. You've not having a lot of luck with your place names yam ... :-\
Thanks for the refs Alexander ...
I wonder if Mary is still around in 1871? Has anyone looked yet?
(she's mistranscribed as Mary Eanes on Ancestry, in case anyone is looking for her)
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In 1871 she's a widow and is from East Arty in Somerset.
Ref: RG10/3092/80/1
That makes me wonder if the 1851 says N arte? (North Arty?)
Still can't find any such place in Somerset ....
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I just tried saying artery/arty in a pretend broad Somerset accent. ;)
Mary was living in Birmingham so I wonder if the enumerator thought he heard Artery but Mary was saying Othery, which IS a place in Somerset. Three lots of enumerators definitely had trouble with this over 3 censues.
Or maybe I am just trying to make this fit. :-\
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Do you know Mary's maiden name and when she married John?
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Just found an East Harptree in Somerset. Maybe the p just got dropped if said casually?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/EastHarptree/index.html
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Just found an East Harptree in Somerset. Maybe the p just got dropped if said casually?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/EastHarptree/index.html
A distinct possibility. :)
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is it uxbridge
sylvia
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Yes indeed Sylvia the very clear one does say Uxbridge- but that's not the one he can't read ;D
It's the one two above that between both the Birmingham Warwickshire ones ;D
Carol
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is it uxbridge
sylvia
That's what it says but the place in Somerset is Axbridge. :)
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Thank you everyone for all your efforts. I'm leaning towards East Harptree especially as this is in the right area of Somerset, not that far from Axbridge. I have been reading lists of Somerset place names in a broad mummerset accent all morning! I don't have a marriage date for John Evans and Mary, but I think (hope) she may have been Parsons.
Yam
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....... in a broad mummerset accent .........
Yam
Nah, be Zummerzet. :D
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....... in a broad mummerset accent .........
Yam
Nah, be Zummerzet. :D
Ooo Ahhh where the zider 'apples grow?
Carol