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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: DaveDeacon on Thursday 10 February 11 16:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi
can anyone help with a birth record for Frances Verrall born abt 1780.
She married Henry Ranger 16 Apr 1793 in Brighton and died abt Sep 1858 in Ringmer.
Would love to find some further family connections for this lady !
thanks
Dave
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that would make her 13 when she married?
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also i cannot find a death in 1858 in lewes reg dist for a frances ranger
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yes that date gave me concern as well !
In later years she was known as Fanny ?
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There was a Frances RANGER in Ringmer in the 1841 census - aged 70, born Sussex. She was lodging with a DIVALL family - also lodging there was a Philis WHITE and two WHITE children.
1841 ref: HO107/1117 bk 5 f18 p2
ETA: I notice that Henry and Frances RANGER baptised a daughter "Philly" (per IGI) in Ringmer in 1801 - could this be the same person as the Philis WHITE (aged "36") who appears with Frances in 1841?
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cant see her in 1851 - have you got her DaveDeacon?
If not, how do you know yours was still alive?
Have you got the cert for the death in 1858 to confirm the age of that person?
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thankyou both!
I am picking up the information I have to start with from another member of the family & trying to prove/disprove it.
avm228 - very interesting on the White front - had not yet made that connection - thanks :)
lizdb - according to my inherited info and also the Ringmer village website (http://www.ringmer.info) she appears as Fanny Ranger
I do have concerns over these dates as I have the marriage cert for 1793, was she born earlier than 1780 ? If so and she lived to 1858 she reached some ripe old age !
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lizdb - according to my inherited info and also the Ringmer village website (http://www.ringmer.info) she appears as Fanny Ranger
OK got her - indexed as aged 23, but actually 83.
Indexed Runger
HO107 1643 751 15
Born East Barmer? Burmer? in Sussex
In receipt of Charity ....... ?
Widow of Ag lab.
Next door but 3 to a Divall family
This and the 1841 finding are pointing to a birth around 1768/70
Fits in much better with the marriage
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lizdb - according to my inherited info and also the Ringmer village website (http://www.ringmer.info) she appears as Fanny Ranger
Born East Barmer? Burmer? in Sussex
This and the 1841 finding are pointing to a birth around 1768/70
Fits in much better with the marriage
East Bourne [Eastbourne], I think.
Fits in with this (submitted) IGI baptism:
Fanny VERRALL
Baptised 4 May 1770 Eastbourne
Daughter of John VERRALL/Ruth PIERCE
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lizdb - according to my inherited info and also the Ringmer village website (http://www.ringmer.info) she appears as Fanny Ranger
In receipt of Parish ....... ?
I think she is a "Recipient of Charity Property (?) - wd. [widow] of ag. lab."
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still cannot see a death of a fanny ranger or a frances ranger in 1858
where did you get the info that she died in 1858
in fact i cannot find a death in lewes between 1851-1861
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This looks promising (from GRO register, not FreeBMD):
Death Sep qtr 1858
Frances RANGER
Lewes 2b 85
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thankyou all so much - you have moved me forward !
I will now attempt to trace some siblings.
How do you use IGI ??
many thanks again
Dave :)
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Dave,
You can search the IGI from the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) but it is a case of caveat emptor. The IGI reflects user based submissions that may, or may not, be accurate. For example, the IGI record that was cited states that the birth was 04 May 1770. Only occasionally does the Parish Register list the date of birth. It should list the baptism date but many people list that date as the birth date. Sometimes that is a cause of much confusion. Also the Parish Register will record the make of the person being baptised and the first name of the parents. Therefore, in this case the person that submitted the IGI record assumed the surname of the mother (most probably correct).
I would always confirm what you find in the IGI and for Sussex would recommend joining the Sussex Family History Group. Members can search a large number of Parish Registers for Sussex. Again, these rely on transcriptions so there can be errors.
For the baptism of Fanny Verrall the Parish Register indicates that she was baptised on 04 Mar 1770 at St Mary's Church, Eastbourne. Parents were John Verrall and Ruth.
Note the slightly different date (Mar not May)
Regards
Mark
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From the Sussex Marriage Index
Eastbourne, East Sussex, 6 Jan 1764
John VERRALL
Ruth PEIRCE, botp (B)
wit: Geo PEIRCE; Thos MANTLEVERRALL
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Brighton, East Sussex, 16 Apr 1793
Frances VERRALL, sp otp (B)
Henry RANGER, bach pte.Sx.Militia now otp
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Brighton, East Sussex, 5 May 1828
Philadelphia RANGER, sp
Thomas WHITEMAN, bach botp
Ian C
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Here are the children of John and Ruth Verrall
Richard Verrall (baseborn) chr 06 Jan 1764
Sarah Verrall chr 08 Dec 1765
Edward Verrall chr 01 May 1768
Ruth Verrall chr 16 Feb 1772
James Verrall chr 23 Jan 1774
Dinah Verrall chr 28 Apr 1776
Richard was christened on John and Ruth's wedding day. All christenings at St Mary's Eastbourne
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Frances RANGER was buried at Ringmer on 30 Sep 1858, her age recorded in the register as 98. Ages of older residents are very often exagerated.
In Dec 1802 H. RANGER was a tenant of a cottage property called The Islands, Ringmer Green (still there, now extended) but too poor to be expected to pay the overseers' rates.
Henry RANGER was buried 21 May 1821 aged 57. Widow RANGER received a regular parish pension thereafter under the Old Poor Law. The overseers' records include many such pension lists indicating the amount paid. In 1822 she had 4s 0d per week (presumably at least one child still at home), but by 1828 she was getting only 1s 0d per week - not enough to live on so she must have been expected to shift for herself at least in part.
In 1835 when the new Poor Law Union came into effect the paupers ordered to be removed from Ringmer workhouse to other Union workhouses included Widow RANGER aged 67 who was sent to Ditchling workhouse, which the Union was using for the elderly poor [ESRO/G2/1a/1, entry 11 Nov 1835]
In the 1841 census Francis RANGER aged 70 (70-74) lodged with Thomas DIVALL in his lodging house on Church Hill, Ringmer (previously a beerhouse).
In 1851 Fanny RANGER (aged 83, born Eastbourne) was one of the occupants of the then-new (built 1848) Ringmer alms cottages, North Road, Ringmer Green (still there, converted to a house).
Her eldest son John was not baptised in Ringmer, but was born in 1794 - evidence is ESRO/Par.461/36/1 dated 4 Aug 1794 noting Henry RANGER was a private in the Sussex militia serving as substitute for a Withyham man. His wife Fanny and son John, aged 7 months, were to receive 3s 0d per week from the Ringmer overseers, who were to be reimbursed by Withyham parish. A note on the reverse shows that she was in Ringmer workhouse Nov 1794-Jan 1795, receiving clothes listed and also charged to Withyham Par.461/36/16 notes that in Aug 1801 (Napoleonic Wars) Henry RANGER was inrolled in the Sussex Militia and was in actual service at Battle Barracks. John RANGER (1794-1875) had a long and not entirely trouble-free history in Ringmer - jailed in 1832 for beating up an overseer who was leading the fight to rgeain social control after the Captain Swing riots of 1830.
Henry and Frances /Fanny also had five other children bapt at Ringmer 1796-1806, the youngest son (Henry) dying as an infant. Her daughters, no better than they should be, presented the parish with some illegitimate children, and some good stories about the parish attempts to get them married off.