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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: djunna on Thursday 10 February 11 12:07 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Can anyone help me with any info on my Gt Gt Gt Grand father John Collard 1853 Bedwellty.
I Have him on the 1871 census but it shows his parents as David and Margaret Robert?
Cant understand the surname changes? I Know he later on became a butcher and had a shop on Commercial Road/St. His son also John (1876) Later on became a Master Butcher/ Slaughterman at the same shop i believe, Before being knocked down by an army motorcyclist on Sirhowy Hill? in 1942 ( Is this nearby?)
The family later on went to live at 33 Charles St Tredegar. My Gt Grandmother Lena ( John 1876 Daughter )Grew up with Nye Bevan who i think lived Next door. I was told last week at a Funeral that they also kept a pet Monkey at Charles St??? Please god let this be true!!!
Thanks all
Darren
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Hi Darren, what are his parents names, are they David and Margaret Collard?
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Hiya Steve
I Would think so but when i looked on the 1871 census i get this
David Robert 37
Margaret Robert 39
John Collard 18
Edward Collard 16
Sarah Ann Collard 13
William Collard 10
James A Collard 8
David Collard 5
I wonder if his name was David Robert Collard and there was only room for him to put David Robert. then he made a mistake with Margaret, putting Robert instead of Collard?
Thanks Darren
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I had seen the 1871 census. Do you have a copy of their marriage certificate, might tell you David's middle name?
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Maybe the Collard children were from Margaret's first marriage - Mr Robert being her second husband.
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Ahhhh, id not thought of her being married twice, Thanks Priscilla, stumped now
Darren
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There is a death of a John Collard, June 1863, Abergavenny district - which included Tredegar
Also a William Collard, Sep 1864, also Abergavenny
Those older (35+) Collard males left in Monmouthshire all seem to have been born in Somerset.
Presumably coal miners transferring over the water once the Bristol & Somerset mines began to close?
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There is a death of a John Collard, June 1863, Abergavenny district - which included Tredegar
Also a William Collard, Sep 1864, also Abergavenny
Those older (35+) Collard males left in Monmouthshire all seem to have been born in Somerset.
Presumably coal miners transferring over the water once the Bristol & Somerset mines began to close?
there is a john collard aged 64 in abergavenny dist in 1861 he is with wife mary
this is probably the one who dies in 1864
there is a marriage in 1868 in bedwelty of a margaret collard on the same page is a david probert
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Looks like a birth certificate of (at least!) one of the children is called for.
That will show father's name and mother's maiden name (hopefully).
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forget that marriage in bedwelty that couple are on the 1871 so not yours
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John Collard 1853 had siblings -
Edward 1855
Sarah 1858
William 1861
James 1863
David 1866
Il Have a root around and see what certs my mam has. i read the death cert for the motorcycle accident last night, so i know theres some bits and bobs there.
Thanks all for looking, Much appreciated
Darren
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Looks as though Margaret married for a third time ...
1881 Census:
PHILLIPS Thomas - Head - Married - Male - Age 45 - Born: Brecon, Brednock, Wales - Occupation: Rt Carpenter
PHILLIPS Margaret - Wife - Married - Female - Age 49 - Born: Longtown, Hereford, England - Occupation: Bread Baker
COLLARD David - Stepson - Unmarried - Male - Age 15 - Born: Tredegar, Monmouth, England - Occupation: Butchers Lad
PHILLIPS Jane - Daur - Unmarried - Female - Age 13 - Born: Talgarth, Brecknock - Occupation: Scholar
Dwelling: 43 Commercial Road, Bedwelty, Monmouth
1342262 - RG11 - 5242 / 67 - 10
FreeBMD has this marriage listed which may be what you are looking for:-
Fourth Quarter 1877
FIELDING William
PHILLIPS Thomas
PROBERT Margaret
REES Jane
Bedwelty - Vol 11a - Page 160
Also there is this death listed:-
First Quarter 1876
PROBERT David - Age 41 - Bedwelty - Vol 11A - Page 79
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Thanks Priscilla, That looks good to me, What a life eh, wonder how the other kids fared off, not much room in that house for the Collard kids and Phillips kids, together.
Darren
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Hiya all
Cant understand where the Probert part has come from. so so far weve got a
Margaret xxx who married a Collard and Had
John Collard 1853
Edward 1855
Sarah 1858
William 1861
James 1863
David 1866
Then XXX Collard Died so she Married David Robert.
Not sure if there were any kids.
Then David Robert died so she married again?
Sorry but easier for me to understand this way
Thanks so much
Darren
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What we are saying is that there is no marriage (on FreeBMD) between David Robert and Margaret.
But there IS a possible marriage between David Probert and Margaret.
The only time we see the surname Robert is on the 1871 census - maybe it's a mistake?
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KGarrad Thanks im with you , Never thought of that. Iv gotta concentrate on one branch of my family at a time, instead of working on them all at the same time.
All of it is good info, bulking up that side of my tree, just lost one generation that i thought i had until i find who the Collard she was originally married too.
Thanks a lot
Darren
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Hello
Thank you all very much for all your help.
Darren
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hi Darren
I have just fond this post on John Collard.
His younger brother Edward is my Gt Gt Grand Father and I have run into the same brick wall as u
Do u have any more on the parents name being Roberts or the real names of their parents
thanks Pauline
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Hi John,
I believe John's parents were Edward Collard (1832 Tredegar) and Margaret Watkins 1832 (Longtown, Hereford). Married Tredegar 13 Sep 1847.
Other children:
Edward Augustus 1854
Sarah Ann 1858
William Benjamin 1859
James Albert 1863
David P. 1865
I have been researching for my cousins wife. Her gr grandfather was Edward Augustus. I think Edward died and Margaret married David Probert in 1868, then Thomas Phillips in 1877.
Edward Augustus's family moved up to Rhayader, Radnorshire. I've been reading the other posts and would be very interested to see which earlier Collards came from Somerset, as I can't find the parents of Edward(1832).
Thanks,
Sharon
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Sorry Darren,
I have John on the brain, I guess!
Sharon
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Hello this John is also my great great grandfather. I am the daughter of Joan Collard, whose father was Cyril Benjamin Collard. I also have some information on his brother Edward Augustus Collard
Tamara
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Please can you send the date and place of birth of the Edward Augustus you talk about as it is quite a common name the Collard's
Also when and where Cyril Benjamin was born as I have been unable to locate him in the records
Many thanks
Pauline
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This looks like Cyril's birth?
September qtr 1915
Bedwellty district vol 11a, page 225
Collard, Cyril B
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I'm looking at a copy of Cyril's birth certificate & it has the following
Dob- 28/05/1915
Address born 33 Charles St, Tradegar
KGarred - what list were you looking at? Sorry I'm new to all this :)
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My information is from the GRO (General Register Office) Indexes, as transcribed by FreeBMD.org.uk