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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: phipps1 on Sunday 06 February 11 09:12 GMT (UK)
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My great grandfather,Thomas Milward ( Millward), of 1 Brunswick Place,148 St. Helens Rd,Swansea, owned a motor vehicle described as a Renault 4 seater sometime between 1913-1920 and it was purchased by his young widow in 1920-21,my great grandfather having died in November 1920.
Estate documents show it had number plates but no detail.
I am trying to get a fix on exactly what the description of that car was and what its number plate displayed. Also any possible photos of it or the model.I do not know the manufacturing year of that Renault.
Any help is very much appreciated,
phipps1
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Even in 1913, Renault sold more than 15 different models.
But try this link for a 1909 - type BH.
www.prewarcar.com/classifieds/ad13341.html
It will give you an idea?
Note to Mods: Please forgive the link to a commercial site (the car is/was for sale) but I couldn't find a decent photo anywhere else!
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Sir,
I really appreciate your reply.It is very possible that he owned this model.I was working on a known year he had ownership which may not equate to genesis of ownership.
It is very helpful and I am delighted to have the picture.
Regards,
phipps1
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No idea what they contain but these records at the West Glamorgan Archive Service office might help:
Reference: D/D PRO/VL/S: Records of vehicle licensing, Swansea Borough
Here's the webpage:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=27593
Bernard
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Bernard, That is very helpful to my research. I will certainly trawl that site you gave me.
Thank you my friend,I am deeply appreciative of your time and help.
Best Regards,
Philip
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My Gt. Grandfather, Thomas Milward ( Millward),Swansea, had his car, a Renault insured with
"Scottish Insurance Coy.".as shown in debts owed by him at his death in November 1920.
Can anyone tell me if this Insurance Coy. still exists and how I could access records that would show details of this car that Thomas Milward owned ?
Much obliged for any leads .
Thank you !
phipps1
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On my Gt.Grandfather,Thomas Milward's ( Millward's) death in November 1920 at Swansea,he had a debt to a firm called "Palmer & Evans" for " number plates on his car , being for 1 pound 5 shillings"
I am trying to ascertain the detail of that number plate,and also I want to understand the number plate issue situation as it existed in Swansea in 1920.
Does the firm,"Palmer & Evans " still exist ?
Any help is much appreciated,
Thank you !
phipps1
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At my Great Grandfather Thomas Milward's ( Millward's) death in Swansea,November 1920,there was a debt owed or claim unpaid by him for damage to a motor car, amounting to 5 pounds. The claim was put in to the Public Trustees by a Mr. Dixon.
Has anyone come across anything that could throw some light on this ?
Thank you for any help you can give me.
phipps1
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After Thomas Milward ( Millward),my Gt.Grandfather's death in November 1920,in Swansea,his car, A Renault was valued at 400 pounds by Messrs. Roberts & Son.
Does Messrs. Roberts & Son exist today ?
I am trying to get a precise description of Thomas Milward's ( Millwad's) car and want to find out how to access the valuer's records,if they still exist.
Thank you for any advice you can give me.
phipps1
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Never heard of them. Don't think they are still around though a Google search might throw up something.
Bernard
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Not heard of them.
Bernard
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Hello phipps1,
I worked for the old General Accident insurance co. a long time ago (but after 1920!). They were based in Perth, Scotland and had acquired several smaller companies with Scotland/Scottish in their names. A few years back they merged with Commercial Union to form the giant CGU.
The name could have changed again, I've lost touch, but every insurer has archives and someone will know where they are now. However there's no legal obligation to keep old motor policy records so don't get too excited :D
Good luck,
Carol
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Moderator Comment: several threads merged :)
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Moderator, I appreciate your help.
phipps1
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Hi Phipps,
see my reply to your other post on this subject - I believe that the 'Roberts and Son' you mention was my GGrandfather's firm, Ivor L Roberts, who was a dealer in Renault motorcars in Swansea's Oxford Street in the the 1910s, 20s and 30s. he also sold many other makes of motorbicycles and cars, but Renault was his main car manufacturer.
Lizholt
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Hi again,
just for interest, I attach some copies of just a few of the many adverts placed by Ivor L Roberts in the local press during the 1920s. He sold many makes of cars and motorbikes, but was also a keen patron of the Swansea and District Motorcycle Club. My Grandmother was one of their first female trials racers in the 1920s!
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Hi Phipps,
see my reply to your other post on this subject - I believe that the 'Roberts and Son' you mention was my GGrandfather's firm, Ivor L Roberts, who was a dealer in Renault motorcars in Swansea's Oxford Street in the the 1910s, 20s and 30s. he also sold many other makes of motorbicycles and cars, but Renault was his main car manufacturer.
Lizholt
Hi lizholt,
Thank you,yes,I have read your other reply.Do you know if any of your Gt.Grandfather's business records were preserved/are held by any organisation ?
Kind regards,
phipps