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Title: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Wednesday 09 February 11 02:41 GMT (UK)
Does anyone have any informaion on John Prudham (1807 Yorkshire - 1889 Kilbride, Ontario, Canada.  He married Elizabeth Foster of Ireland, in Ontario 1839.
More specifically his parentage, etc.
Would like to uncover this.
Thanks.   :)
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: The Mc on Wednesday 09 February 11 10:45 GMT (UK)
I haven't found his parentage yet but I have found a photo of him and Elizabeth and family at their house in Canada in 1888...........

http://images.burlington.halinet.on.ca/7650/data?n=3978
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: The Mc on Wednesday 09 February 11 10:58 GMT (UK)
Using familysearch.org, I can only find 2 John Prudham's in Yorkshire anywhere near 1807.

First was baptised 15 Nov 1802 in Egton, Yorkshire, father shown as Edward Prudham
Second was baptised 11 Feb 1815 in Egton, Yorkshire. Parents shown as george and Elizabeth Prudham.

Even if these two aren't your John, it could be that he was from the Egton area of Yorkshire, which is about 4 miles south west of Whitby.
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 09 February 11 13:54 GMT (UK)
There is also this one;
John PRUDDOM
Birth 27 February 1808
Christened 06 March 1808, Kirkdale, Yorkshire
Mother HANNAH Pruddom
And another;
John PRUDAMS
Christened 04 July 1802, Rillington, Yorkshire
To CHARLES/JANE
(Source IGI, Extracted Records)

The names of John/Elizabeths Children may give a clue to his Parent/s name/s.

Trish :)
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Thursday 10 February 11 15:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks The Mc and Trish1120
The Mc  -  Just after I made the post I realized there were three Yorkshire areas, so not sure I am even in the right "Yorkshire". 
That being said, I have seen the picture (your link) before and often visit the site as the area is a hotbed of my mother's side of the family
The child Charles in the picture is my maternal Grandfather and raised his family there.  I have stayed at the home myself as a boy.  It should be pointed out that the house still stands and was not demolished in 2005 as noted in the picture caption. 
Trish1120  -  You are right that the children's names can present a clue.  There is a Hannah amongst the children.  Also from a Family Reunion booklet of 1928 John's birth year is listed as 1809, not the 1807 as I have above, but his death record seems to support 1807 (died age 82).
Thanks again to you both.   :)
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Sunday 13 February 11 00:28 GMT (UK)
NOTE: The caption for the picture of the John Prudham house on the Halinet link below has been corrected.  It now no longer says the house was destroyed in 2005.
Thanks to a cousin who lives nearby who contacted the site.  She verified to them that the house still stands.
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: juliamdube on Tuesday 01 March 11 05:25 GMT (UK)
I'm quite sure the records I have state that John Prudham talked about a sister named Tamar. Does anyone else know anything about this?
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: juliamdube on Tuesday 01 March 11 05:34 GMT (UK)
I can only find  1 Tamar Prudom on Ancestry, a death index from 1865. It could be her. It is of the right time frame. She was older than John Prudham.

If anyone has any information let us know!!
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Tuesday 01 March 11 15:42 GMT (UK)
A cousin of mine tells me there was a brother to John.  Perhaps another clue.  I have been unable to trace anything on it.
Mark used the last name PRODHOM and pronounced it as such.
He also came to Canada, but later returned to England.  A neighbor of my cousin returned from a trip to England with a picture of his gravestone.
When my cousin gets back from winter vacation in Florida she says she will forward it to me.  At that time I will post it.
Thanks to all for keeping an eye open for me.
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Thursday 07 April 11 23:13 BST (UK)
A few things found that may indicate this string of posts should relate to Yorkshire North.
1. I too located the death of Tamar PRUDOM in 1865, that being in Yorkshire North
2. Brother Mark is actually a half brother to John, I have discovered.  After a brief stint in Canada with John, he was in the 1841, 1861 and 1871 English Census as Mark PRUDOM the later two in Bransdale which I believe is in North Yorkshire.  Have also tracked a gravestone which I believe is his.  Buried in St Nicholas, Bransdale as Mark PRUDHOM. Still no parentage for the three. 
Tamar was older and was close to John after the death of their mother when he was about 4.  Father remarried and had Mark.
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: I've left on Friday 08 April 11 11:42 BST (UK)
Pardon me for butting in but it was said above that Mark was in Bransdale in the census records.
The census records for 1841, 51, 61 & 71 all show him living in Farndale which is over the hill to the East of Bransdale.

In one of the census records he is said to be a Local Wesleyan Methodist Preacher. If all the family were of this persuasion then they may have been baptised in a Methodist chapel and so may be missed from the IGI.

I cannot find Mark in 1881 so maybe he was over in Canada then. His grave says he died 3 Dec 1885 so he should be somewhere in 1881.

No sign of any Tamar born Bransdale in the census records.


Bryan
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Saturday 09 April 11 03:18 BST (UK)
Jump right in anytime BryanHogarth.
I missed Mark in the '51 Census.  Perhaps the spelling of his surname was transcribed differently.  I'll have to check Ancestry in the new week at the library.
I am not familiar with the areas in England, so really flying by the seat of my pants when I mention an area there.  I just mention what the records show.
I believe that Mark was in Canada as a young man.  It was said he had "two purposes in coming, the first to preach and second to find a wife.  He failed at the later and was not that good at the former."  So her returned to England.
Other than a death record I can find nothing on Tamar although she is in the family stories.
Thanks for the response.  Anytime.
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: I've left on Saturday 09 April 11 08:54 BST (UK)
Hi
Mark in 1851 is indexed as "Rudom" rather than "Prudom". I had to search for just the name Mark with no surname to find him.

I came across a newspaper report which mentioned a Weslyan meeting whcih had a Mr Prudom from Farndale. That was in 1869. So he was carrying on the Preaching.

Most of the instances of the name Prudom in the NBI are from the Danby area which is in Eskdale. I expect your lot probably came from there. All of these places are in the North Riding of Yorkshire and this is not really the right board. 

Bryan

PS
I was thinking that the Tamar PRUDOM death in the Guisbro District may have been at Danby which is in that registration District.
However I found the burial in the NBIv2

Burial 25 Aug 1865 Tamar PRUDOM age 92, Guisbro, St Nicholas.

That makes her born c. 1772/73 and so, if she never married, could be the girl baptised Thamar PRUDDOM 7 Aug 1778 to Saml. PRUDDOM, Glaisdale, batch C007513.

Hard to believe that she could be a sister of John PRUDOM born about 30 years later but maybe John was son of a different wife.


Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: I've left on Saturday 09 April 11 12:15 BST (UK)
I was reading up on the local Parishes here

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Kirkbymoorside/index.html

and saw Kirkdale mentioned so wonder if the baptism spotted by Trish earlier may be the very one - though that one seems to have been illegitimate or postumus.

Bryan
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: origins on Friday 06 May 11 12:19 BST (UK)
Don't know of you have seem this baptism for Mark Prudoms 21st March 1813 Kirkbymoorside, mother Hannah Prudoms.

Val
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Saturday 07 May 11 02:14 BST (UK)
Thanks Bryan.  Sorry for the late response to your posts.  It's been a busy month.  You are right, Tamar (Thamar) birth in 1772/3 does seem a bit early.  Something will turn up somewhere.

Thanks Val, that baptism for Mark under a spelling I hadn't tried, does seem to fit.  Too bad it didn't include a fathers name.

Thanks again to you both.
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: origins on Saturday 07 May 11 03:18 BST (UK)
There is a Thamar Pruddom baptised 7th August 1778 Glaisdale father  Samuel  Pruddom and a John Pruddom 28th May 1780 father John Pruddom.  Batch C007513.  Don't know if this is any help. 

Val
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: aitkin on Saturday 07 May 11 04:47 BST (UK)
Val, the John Pruddom of 1780 is too early.  We do know that he was born in 1807.
Thamar Pruddom of 1778 was mentioned by "I've Left" earlier on April 9 above.
We do know the Tamar was older than John, but we don't know by how much.
She apparently looked after John when their mother died about 1811, when John was only 4.  So I would guess perhaps she was perhaps at least 12 or 13 at that time to do that.  I would think if she were just over 30 in 1811 as the date above would indicate, she would have been off on her own.
Thanks for looking further.   :)
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: origins on Saturday 07 May 11 08:43 BST (UK)
Okay, I am pleassed to try and help.  Looks a bit tricky.  Maybe baptism not on IGI.

Val
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: maidmarianoops on Friday 17 June 11 09:03 BST (UK)
hello
tamar is an unusual name so maybe this could be parent

4 Nov 1809 John Pordon of Kirby Grindalyth and Tamar Handwith otp banns by T.F
W Thomas Lovell John Atkinson
 
Yorkshire Thorpe Bassett  Parish Registers  1604-1837
sylvia
Title: Re: John PRUDHAM 1807 - 1889
Post by: maidmarianoops on Friday 17 June 11 09:09 BST (UK)

well maybe not


sylvia
Tamar Caroline Prudence
Jul-Aug-Sep 1848
Reg districtHatfield
Hertfordshire

 Tamar Prudom
Death Jul 1865   Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding

 
 Tamar Purdon
Death Apr 1858  - Beverley Yorkshire East Riding