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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Fergie38 on Tuesday 08 February 11 19:40 GMT (UK)
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Could someone please look up info on the death (and any other info) of Mary Ferguson
From a census as a guestimate, Mary was born in 1811 in the Parish of Kincardine.
She married Peter Ferguson on 28th March 1852.
Peters death certificate on 28th May 1885 names Mary Ferguson as his wife so she was probably still alive on that date.
Oh and just one other thing. Peter married his first wife Ann McNautghtan (my g g g grandmother) on 24th Nov 1824. Ann was born on 26th August 1807 but I don’t know who her parents were. Nor do I have a date of death for Ann. Sometime about 1845 I think.
All events would have taken place in the Parish of Kincardine.
Cheers.
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Scotlands People is the only place you will find that info and it's a pay per view website
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Mary was still alive in 1891 but is not on the 1901 census
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Hi Fergie
Is this your Mary Ferguson I'm afraid information is a bit scarce
I did a search on scotlandspeople using birth year of 1811 +/- 5 year and you get 1 hit for Kincardine
1 1892 FERGUSON MARY F 82 KINCARDINE (PERTH) /PERTH 364/00 0010
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks Bruce.
Yes that could be her.
I asked because I thought that the info might have been available on Ancestry.
I have a strange situation here where my g g g grandfather Peter could have been married to both my paternal and maternal g g g grandmothers.
Cheers.
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Hi
Ancestry does not have Scottish BMD info unfortunately. The Scottish census info is also only available in transcription form as Scotlands People hold the originals
Any info re: Scottish BMD's that cannot be found on the IGI you have to use SP on a pay per view basis
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Hi Carole.
So Ancestry is no good for Scots research. And there was me thinking that it had everything.
Cheers.
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18 June 1892 Robertson lane, widow of Peter Ferguson, farmer.
Her father was Peter Ferguson, crofter and her mother was Christina Fergsuon, MS Ferguson! (Jeez- major inbreeding! You got 6 toes, Fergie? ;) ;D)
Cerebral apoplexy hemiplegia
Informant Daniel Ferguson, son in law, not present.
Don't say I'm not good to you.
Val
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Can I ask how you know Ann's dob?
The only person of her name I can find was born 9 Aug 1807 in Kenmore - father John, mother Elizabeth Macdonald.
I tried all possible spelling variants of the surname.
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Mary Ferguson christened 8 Aug 1809 Kincardine in Menteith.
Siblings
1. MARGT. FERGUSON
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAY 1811 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
2. MARGT. FERGUSON -
Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1818 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
3. MARY FERGUSON -
Gender: Female Christening: 08 AUG 1809 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
4. CHRISTIAN FERGUSON -
Gender: Female Christening: 23 MAY 1802 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
5. JOHN FERGUSON -
Gender: Male Christening: 02 AUG 1814 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
6. CATHRINE FERGUSON -
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JUL 1807 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
7. DUNCAN FERGUSON
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAR 1805 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
8. JANET FERGUSON -
Gender: Female Christening: 16 NOV 1800 Kincardine By Doune
Parents Peter and Christian - Banns from Kincardine by Doune 15 December 1799 say Peter Ferguson in Doune parish and Christian Ferguson in this parish. Actual marriage in Kilmadock 27 December 1799.
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What an absolute gem you are Val. To have that info pop up on my screen just out of the blue, so to speak, was amazing. Her Ferguson parents too will be a valuable addition to my tree.
I was reading it last night and got so carried away with it that I poured myself a couple of drams more than I should have. And no, I don’t have six toes. There is a peculiarity that runs in the family though but my sisters don’t like it being mentioned.
Isn’t it a sheer stroke of luck that Daniel registered the death as her ‘son-in-law’ and not as her stepson.
It solves the question I raised here Here (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,410372.0.html)
About Ann’s DOB. .. I read somewhere that ‘Ann’ was often used as a variation for ‘Janet’ so I did a search for Janet McNaughtan. I re-did the search today and the date comes up as 27th Sept 1807. Don’t recall where I got the August date but I imagine that will be the date of birth and the September date will be the Christening.
Thank you too for the list of Mary’s sibling but I am confused as to why there are two Margaret’s there.
You have certainly given me plenty of info to mess about with and for that, you have my sincere thanks.
Cheers.
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My Family Tree program is having a nervous breakdown trying to get to grips with these relationships. :-\
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Glad to have helped, Fergie.
I think that the first Margaret must have died, then the next female child born was given her name. I think that was quite common.
Val
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Janet/Ann McNaughtan had a twin called William! Parents were John McNaughtan and Janet Murray, "Moss" - so we know they were on the moss - will check for them on the 1814 census.
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Agreed. I more or less confirmed an example of this when I viewed an entry from the 1911 census.
Cheers
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Here they are on the " 1814 census"
Kirk Lane No7
Former Possessor
John McNaughton
Present Possessor
John McNaughton 34 yrs
Jannet Murray 40
Children
John 13 yrs
Archibald 11
Margaret 8
William 5
Jannet 5
Katherine 1 "
Persons deceased
Jannet 1 mo. 1809 Sickness
Jean 3/4 1811 Croup
Years Settled on the Moss
20 years
Where they came from
Breadalbane.
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Janet Murray and John McNaughtan married Kincardine by Doune 21 July 1798
John McNaughtan in this parish and Janet Murray in Doune parish
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You're a marvel Val.
I'd never given a thought to the 1814 census. I have a part of it but not all.
And I think that we have once again an example of a name being re-used. The strange thing about it, that I have just noticed, is that the Jannet who died is younger than the Jannet who survived. Now there's a mystery. ?
First time too that Breadalbane has come up. the family seems to be well concentrated in Highland Scotland and yet I have red hair so there must be some Norse blood on there somewhere. probably from the McLean branch of the tree.
Don't know when I last fed in so much info in one day.
Many thanks.
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Hi Fergie
I think by Breadalbane they mean Killin area. I found several possibilities there but none was a good fit. If you google 1814 Moss Census you will find the whole thing on Chuck Speed's website.
Do you have any Fergusons on Sommers lane? Some of my ancestors boarded with them after the parents died. What is 100% certain is that my ancestors would have known yours! My ancestors - McLaren, King, Dow, McFarlane, McGowan, Robertson, Stewart and McCall all lived on the moss, and many of them are on the 1814 census.
If you pm me your email address I'll send you the docs I have referred to above.
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1799 Dec 14th Kilmadock Peter Ferguson in this parish and Christian Ferguson in Kincardine declared thier purpose of marriage and were married on 27 December.
Christina and Christian seem to have been used interchangeably.
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This looks a good candidate for your family in the 1814 census I think Fergie. The childrens ages are all correct - only John has not yet been born! Otherwise all present and corrrect EXCEPT Peter (Christian's husband) is not named. Either "John" is Peter (although I am inclined to think John is Robert the head's brother or unmarried son) and Peter was away somewhere. I have read that at the time the census was taken that a lot of men were away doing seasonal work and hence there are some gaps.... I think John Ferguson and Janet Reid are probably Christian's parents - the naming pattern fits and on the marriage doc she is said to hail from Kincardine... And if they stuck rigidly to the naming pattern as they appear to have, then Peters father would be called Duncan and his mother Catherine... in which case the only candidate for Peter I can find was born 12 Feb 1776 in Balquhidder to Duncan Ferguson and Catherine Sinclair ...... going by the gaelic form of the name as we would expect - Patric.
This would mean both families originally came down from Balquhidder. Let me know if you are happy with this and I'll see if I can find out exactly where they were in Balquhidder.
1814 Moss census
Robertson's Lane No7
Former Possessor
Robert Robertson
Present Possessor
John Ferguson 62 yrs
Jannet Reid 58 "
John Ferguson 40 "
Christian Ferguson 30
Children
Jannet 12 yrs
Christian 10
Duncan 7
Catherine 5
Mary 3
Margaret 1
Persons deceased
None
Years Settled on the Moss
21 years
Where they came from
Balquhidder
Cats1
Poultry3
Cows2
Horses1
Harrows1
Plough1
Carts 1
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Sorry for the delay Val.
I have looked at that family for a long time now and despite their location, I have been unable to get a firm link to my lot.
The only Peter Ferguson who could be my ancestor was living at the east end of the moss at that time.
This is a copy of the notes I wrote some time ago.
This family were living and working at the clearing of the Moss in 1814
They were at plot number 16 ..Drip Moss
Donald Ferguson Aged 46
Catherine “ 38
Robert “ 19
Mary “ 17
Peter “ 14
Donald “ 11
Alexander “ 9
John “ 7
Elizabeth “ 5
Catherine “ 1
This family vanish after 1814 and it must be assumed that they emigrated.
There is a strong possibility that this is the same group of Ferguson’s who are named under the heading ‘Parish of Kincardine’ on the passenger list of the brig Sophia that sailed from Greenock in 1818 bound for Quebec, Canada.
If the above Peter is in fact my great great great grandfather then he either went to Canada and then returned, or elected to remain here and moved from Drip Moss to join the Ferguson family at Robertson Lane who were probably relatives.
If they are related to me then Catherine would have to be Donald's second wife.
Cheers.
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Fergie,
John McNaughton and Janet Murray were also my ancestors. I am descended from their son John, who married Elizabeth Buchanan. They had nine children. I am happy to share what I have if you would like it.
I have never heard of Janet being interchangeable with Ann. Ann is usually interchangeable with Agnes.
Fiona
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Hello
I have an ancestor Thomas Ferguson (born approx 1773) from Tombane who married Anne MacLagan in 1795 Moulin , I wonder if he would be related to your Fergusons also a Donald MacNaughton , a tailor from Fortingall , who married Ann Irvine 1793. It would be interesting to see if there are any links.
Regards
Silvercraig
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Achra..Yes I would like to see some of your info.
I can send you my email address via PM.
Silvercraig...It's very unlikely that there is a direct link between your family and mine.
Cheers.