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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: juls72 on Tuesday 08 February 11 03:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, ;D
Can anyone help me, I am trying to trace my Irish roots with very little success, I know my Greatgrandfather Thomas Lawrence Ellis lived in 8a Scally's cottages in 1901 with his Wife Bridgett Barrett ( who's family also lived in Scally's cottages) they lived there with 4 children Michael 12 Henry 10 Thomas 7 Elizabeth 2,
I'm trying to find out where Scally's cottages are there is no map showing them or where they are, one of my relatives who still is in Ireland thinks they where around the North Dock not far form Customs House, But looking at old maps i cannot find them anywhere, ???
Can someone please point me in the right direction? ::)
Many Thanks :D Jul's
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Hi Juls:
Scally's Cottages were in the North Dock ward according to the 1901 and 1911 census. I notice also that the parish is shown as St. Thomas. Hopefully this helps a little.
Good luck,
Pat
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Scally's cottages were off Lwr Mayor Street, which runs parallel to North Wall Quay and near to George's dock.
The cottages are shown on the 1890s OSI map - see : Scally's Cottages (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,716839,734712,7,9) (select the 25" option)
Shane
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Heya,
My wifes family are Barretts and are from the same area. The cottages are long gone now. In there place is the Irish Financial Services Centre.. do u have any other info on Bridgettes children as its quite possible they are relations of my wife!! My wifes mother is a Barrett and has about 8 siblings so im sure there is a connection there. If the kids are only between 2 and 12 they could be my wifes great great grandparents!! :) and most still live in the area...
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That's amazing Patrick Barrett was bridgets brother I have lots of info about thomas Ellis and bridgets kids id love to email as you have been the only connection in Ireland I've found and I think it's great.
Please email me and I can send you some things
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I do know Elizabeth died and they had more kids one of those was my grandfather John Joseph Ellis they also had Julia too I was named after her she was an amazing lady.
Anyway please email me and see if we have a connection
Julie ;D
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i spoke to my mother in law and her granddad was Michael and lived in scally cottage so looks like we are defo reflated :D.. i need to post one more post after this to enable me to PM so ignore the next post!!
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i know i said ignore this post but if Thomas is your great grandad and michael is my mother in laws grandad, that makes Thomas her great grandad to so you must be my mother in laws cousin!... welcome to the family ;D
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ok so her grandad is patrick. it was confirmed today...
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Ok so Patrick had a sister Bridget who married a man called Thomas Ellis they had 6 kids , one died Elizabeth but all the others survived John Joseph Ellis is my granddad so bridgett is my great grand mother which makes Patrick my great uncle which means we are cousins somewhere down the line . Which is great cannot believe I've found someone I'm related too in Ireland my dad is so excited he has a cousin on the barretts side he remembers a christie Barrett if you wife knows them they lived in Cheshire not far from him. I have pictures of the 3 eldest boys of bridgett in there military uniform and I only have one picture of my grandad John and a picture if Julia as an elderly lady. I don't have any pics of bridgett or Thomas which is a shame . I currently live in Brisbane Australia moved out here 4 yrs ago and have been doing the family tree for that long never been able to find out who bridgetts parents where so any info there would be great.
Julie :)
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i spoke to my mother in law and her granddad was Michael and lived in scally cottage so looks like we are defo reflated :D.. i need to post one more post after this to enable me to PM so ignore the next post!!
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Damod, Hi, I am Jul,s72 Dad, I was born in Newtownmountkennedy and it was my grand dads address when he married Bridget Barret, you will find on line now in the National Archives the 1901 & 1911 census free access you will find in 1911 census 11 Barrett,s were living in number 6 there Patrick head of house 32 Mary wife 34 and a Michael 34 brother also 8 children there is a Patrick son, aged 10 if that is any use to you the youngest of them was Chistopher known as Christy, whom I knew very well as he married Lillian Clark who was Michael Clarke,s sister he married my Dads sister Julia, he died quite young as my dad did , Barretts must have been a large family as the occupants of no, 4 in 1901 census there were 6 in all and a different family possibly related. hope this is useful to you,
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Patrick Barrett (senior) was my grandfather. His youngest son, Thomas (John on birth cert, 1919) was my Dad. Does anyone have a family tree I can see? I have a great photo of Patrick & his wife Mary, if anyone wants it.
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Patrick Barrett married Mary Donohoe in St Laurence O'Toole's 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10491/5820439.pdf
possible brother Michael married Bridget Ryan in 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10624/5870650.pdf
possible parents Thomas Barrett married Mary Gibney in 1868 their parents in turn both being from Co Meath
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k20/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k21/
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Crew lists
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k22/
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Bridgets address is the same as Michael Barrett who married Bridget Ryan in 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10742/5916839.pdf
crew lists
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k23/
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Bridget Barrett born 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03361/2232553.pdf
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If Thomas Ellis father Thomas was a Hatter this looks like his birth in Nov 1867 and twin sister Eugenie
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k24/ baptisms
births
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03466/2272713.pdf
sister Catherine Martha 1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03564/2312580.pdf
Eugenie married James Cleary in 1893
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10588/5857410.pdf
1911 not obvious in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Tyrone_Street__Upper/29599/
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Thanks dathai, Wonderful stuff,
I couldn't find the birth of my grandfather Patrick Barrett because he was really Joseph Patrick Barrett.
I'll move on to looking for his wife Mary Donoghue & her father Richard. If you have any leads on them, that would be wonderful. I think the name Donoghue is a tricky one to trace as it has many different spellings.
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Possible Female born 13th Feb 1877 to Richard Donoghoe and Catherine Monahan at Eglington Tce off Sevillle Place
176 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03024/2108260.pdf
siblings
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2b/
appears to be her
baptism 519 here Maria Donoghue
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633569#page/38/mode/1up
marriage for parents would be pre 1872
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2c/
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Had a search for Richard Donohoe marriage got one Rathdown 1868 QTR 1 VOL 7 PAGE 830
Then searched for the match Catherine Monahan, None.
so i noticed on one or two of the births and Baptisms that her name was given as MARY Monahan so i found a match to that name in Rathdown 1868 QTR 1 VOL 7 PAGE 830
They were married in St Michael's,Kingstown 21st June 1868
Marriage 555 here
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633813#page/49/mode/1up
Richard's address was Terrace Place where their eldest daughter Marcella was born 1869
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2e/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2f/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2g/
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Looks like Richard Donohoe may have been also married 12 years earlier in 1856 to Annie Keane/Kane
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st_lawrence_mf_1853-1880_ma_0823
note the Latin in the remarks column in the above marriage may be referring to one of them being a Protestant.
had a few children who's marriages appear on Church Records
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2h/
found a death in 1866 on Glasnevin index for Anne Donohoe age 30
entered Terrace Place into address box and it still registers.
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
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Eliza Donohoe born March 1899 father Philip deceased
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1899/1784776a.pdf
Philip buried Glasnevin 1898 age 34 (son of Richard and Anne Keane)
Widow Ellen 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Montgomery_Street/1276448/
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I think you will have to dismiss the 1856 marriage for Richard Donohoe,lots add up ie his parents are the same Michael and Marcella on both marriages both seemed to have lived at Terrace Place
on Laurence Sheridan's marriage 1885 Catherine O'Donohoe says her parents are dead
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0121
and there is a burial in 1872 of Richard Donohoe of Terrace Place age 40 in Glasnevin
so cant be sure its same man maybe just lots of coincidences.
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Dathai,
I'd be amazed if the two marriages (1856 & 1868) weren't the same Richard Donoghue.
The marriage of 1868 involves Mary Monahan and the birth of Marcella in 1869 is, again to Mary Monaghan. My concern was that Mary Monahan & Catherine Monahan were different people.
The births of Catherine's children (John & Richard) tie in with the 1901 census, on which Richard was stated to be 60. Could he have been born in 1840 (or earlier) & married in 1856? What are your views on whether Mary & Catherine Monahan are the same or different people?
[I know I'm discounting the reference to 'dead' on the marriage cert of Richard's daughter Catherine. I'm reading that as Mother is dead, father has moved on]
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Re the two marriages i would have to let you make your own mind up on that,that is why i mentioned that the daughter Catherine in 1885 said her parents were decd as i did not want to lead you astray.
It would also be strange to name another daughter Kate 1886 though by a different wife while the other daughter of the same name is still alive.
In my own family my grandmother was Mary Kate and her sister was Mary Anne,how my great grandmother addressed them i often wondered,i often imagined her making breakfast in the morning and calling Mary when it was ready and the two of them would come running.
The name Monahan and it's spelling is not too common in Dublin and the fact that on all the certs i have seen so far it is spelt exactly the same each time suggesting whoever was giving it to the registrar or priest was literate,so my opinion is Mary/Kate are same person.
I did not realise that Richard was still alive in 1901 i see why now his son in law filled out the census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Scally_s_Cottages/1277103/
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Dathai,
I think I've figured out how your great grandmother did it. She fed them both at the same time.
However, I haven't figured out Richard Donoghue. 9 Terrace Place features on the 1868 Wedding (of a widower with parents of the same names as the guy who was married in 1856 & whose wife apparently died in 1866), on the 1869 birth of daughter Marcella and on the 7 January 1872 death cert. Whether the person in the two marriages (1856 & 1868) is the same person or not, I believe that the Richard who got married in 1868, died in 1872. I think that my great grandfather Richard on the 1901 census is a different guy, suggesting that Mary Monahan & Catherine Monahan are different people. Or do you have a different take on the Richards?
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Well you are tracing back from the Barrett's so the family on 1901 census has to be right including Richard as father in law,whoever filled out the census form his daughter or son in law said he was still married on that date so is he at this stage a widower or is his wife in a workhouse hospital.
Not found any obvious death for Richard or his wife.
We know his wife was alive in 1894 at 12 Tyrone St birth of Richard jnr
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02273/1853866.pdf
sorry there is nothing further i can add
Dathai
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Had a search for Richard Donohoe marriage got one Rathdown 1868 QTR 1 VOL 7 PAGE 830
Then searched for the match Catherine Monahan, None.
so i noticed on one or two of the births and Baptisms that her name was given as MARY Monahan so i found a match to that name in Rathdown 1868 QTR 1 VOL 7 PAGE 830
They were married in St Michael's,Kingstown 21st June 1868
Marriage 555 here
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633813#page/49/mode/1up
Richard's address was Terrace Place where their eldest daughter Marcella was born 1869
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2e/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2f/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2g/
Hi There,
A marriage was recorded in St. Paul's RC Church, Arran Quay, Dublin on 29 Oct 1871 between Richard Donaghoe of 12 Church Road, Dublin, son of James of Tummen, Co. Wexford to Catherine Monaghan. I presume that the father's address of Tummen might be a misspelling of Taghmon, Co. Wexford?
John B.