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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Jme79 on Saturday 05 February 11 20:00 GMT (UK)
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I'm really struggling with these :-\ would appreciate some help from anyone who has local knowledge!
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I think the first might be MERRELLS something.
Apparently Merrell and Bayliss was a Tewksbury brewer.
A ;)
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If you give us the census reference or name & year, it makes it easier to look for these.
In the meantime...
Linda
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The Merrells one is 1851 Charles Pitts (born abt 1825)
The other one is 1851 Delia Pitts (born abt 1786)
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The District Description for the first one reads
All that part of the Parish of Tewkesbury which comprises the East side of the High Street - including all the Alleys, Lanes and Courts with the houses at the back facing the Oldbury - commencing at the Borough Gaol and finishing at the house occupied by Charles Neale
Linda
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The District Description for the second one reads
All that part of the Parish of Tewkesbury which comprises the West side of Church Street, the Tolsey Lane and Nail Square
Off to do some more digging :)
Linda
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Oh thanks, that's quite helpul.
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To me the first one looks like
High Street
Merretts Yard
and the second
Midder Road
Merretts Yard also appears in 1871 & 1881
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You might find this interesting
www.tewkesburyhistory.com/1848alleys.html
and
TEWKESBURY RIVERBOAT CO
GLOUCESTERSHIRE, GL20 5JR TEWKESBURY,
MERRETTS COURT, REAR OF 137, HIGH STREET
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Morrell's Yard and Middle Road
That's what I think.
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From the "Alleys" link posted earlier, it's undoubtedly Merrett's Yard and Middle Road. I've lived withing 3 minutes' walk of the place for 30 years but never heard of Middle Road before.
I suggest you contact Tewkesbury Historical Society http://www.ths.freeuk.com/
I see the President most Thursdays so I'll ask him myself anyway. :)
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Middle Road is now known as Trinity Street - If you have a map - Merretts Yard was off Oldbury Road approx opposite East Street
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Middle Road is now known as Trinity Street
I saw Alan in Morrisons and he told me you were on the case :)
This puzzles me though - the Town Clerk's 1848 listing http://www.tewkesburyhistory.com/1848alleys.html has Trinity Street east of High St (no argument there) but
Middle Road. From Providence Place to Carron Brook Meadows. which doesn't sound like the same place at all ???
EDIT: I popped into the Library ... DAY/WOODARD believe it became renamed Station Street.
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Oh thanks for all the help on this! and glad others are learning something too ;D
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Providence Place was the area of the Southern end of Chance Street and so from the description in Tewkesbury Alleys 1848 we would have Middle Road as the Northern end of Chance Street or an extension of it.
However, a question was often posed in pub conversation "What was (or is) the shortest road in Tewkesbury?" and the answer was given as a section of road between the northern end of Chance Street and Cotteswold Road which was crossed by the old branch line to the original Tewkesbury railway station.
The 1848 Alley List gives Middle Road as having a junction with Station Street, but the wording seems to suggests that it was somewhat longer than the local tradition quoted above. I think the local tradition wins here.
Every trustable source I have come across ties in with the above.
Just a note on New Street and New Road. These co-existed in 1844 (Pigot's directory) and both had a beerhouse. They correspond to Trinity Street and Station Street.
I will do a little more digging and see if I can come up with a more definitive answer to Middle Road.
Regards, Andy Hewett (Capper), tewkesburyhistory.com
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Hi Andy
Welcome! :)
And thanks for the contribution. I see it was even picked up and tweeted on Twitter! The Gloucestershire board is famous!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Re: Middle Road - just realised that I misread the reference on the Ancestry 1851 - it is in fact on enumerator's schedule 6g - this firmily puts it in the Oldbury area - i.e.:-
"All that part of the Parish of Tewkesbury called the Oldbury lying on the Left Hand Side of the road from Carron Brook Bridge to the new road at the back of Mount Pleasant"
Trinity Street is on the High Street Schedule so not the same place at all.
Apologies to all
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Hi - There is an area of Tewkesbury known as Mitton. The second sample looks like Midden Road to me. Possibly it's changed spelling over the years?
KK
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Hello all,
I have done a little more digging re Middle Road.
A cursory look at the 1861 census images does not reveal a Middle Road in the expected area.
A look at the 1841 census images has Middle Road in the margin and my interpretation puts the southern start point of Middle Road at the northern end, or top of Chance Street, just to the north of what were a set of almshouses in Chance Street. This again ties in with recollections of people known to me in the 1970's, now no longer with us.
A quick look at the 1871,1881,1891 does not turn up anything, nor do any of the local trade directories, but I have still to look at the 1901 census and some old maps.
Andy
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Hi Andy :)
In the Woodard database in the library, there is a note to the effect that Middle Road is not seen after the 1851 census.
Unfortunately, the oldest map online is 1880s. :(
The area in question can be found at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
Search Tewkesbury then enter coordinates 389650 232970
Then select the 1885 Town Plan on the right.
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Hello Geoff-E
Thanks for the reply. I have looked at the maps, very useful, especially the latrge scale OS of 1883 or thereabouts which as you probably know was on microfiche in Tewkesbury library, (1995).
One possible reason for the non appearance on maps is that the name of the road was too long to fit in such a small area.
Although the Woodard facts are no doubt correct on this matter, it is strange that in about 1980 there was still an "oral tradtion" of Middle Road. The poser of the question at the time was one Les Bond, late of Prior's park and the Berkeley Arms (customer).
I think that with a little more in depth study of the census images more interesting, if not relevant, information can be dug up on this pretty well unfashionable and therefore neglected area of town.
Regards, Andy.