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Griffith's Valuation (the AskAboutIreland version) lists 4 McGrath occupiers in the townland of Lisnagade, Aghaderg Parish, Co. Down: Thomas, James, Hugh, and Peter.
The 1911 census indicates our GGM was born Elizabeth McGrath in Lisnagade in 1833. It seems probable she was related somehow to one or more of these McGrath families. We haven't found a birth cert yet, though, so are unsure which (if any).
(Elizabeth married Peter O'Kane around 1855, and is listed as Elizabeth O'Kane, living in Antrim, in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.)
Any information on the McGrath's of Lisnagade would be appreciated.
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Found this record but you might find more McGraths by searching PRONI website www.proni.gov.uk
"McGrath Thomas of Lisnagade county Down farmer died 23 February 1937 Administration Belfast 16 July to Bernard McGrath farmer. Effects £258."
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Aghadowey,
Thanks for the pointer to PRONI. I had never searched it before. I found a couple of 19th century lease records there for Lisnagade, but they didn't mention the McGraths.
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Not too much to add, sorry:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838
1828 - Bernard McGrath at Lisnagade
1828 - James McGrath at Lisnagade
1828 - John McGrath at Lisnagade
The following link has listings of a couple of McGrath families from Lisnagade, that are worth a look if you have not already done so.
Link: https://www.familysearch.org/
Cheers,
Janet.
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Janet,
Thanks. I'd heard about the Tithe Applotment Books but never used them before. Maybe I'll compare them to what's in Griffith's.
(Way off topic: I wish they had a subscription at RootsIreland, instead of a per-record fee. Three McGrath marriage records, and three birth/baptism records per family, is a dozen records. At 5 Euros apiece that's 60 Euros or $82 US. A year's subscription to the Ancestry US collection, with full access to all records, is about US $160. What I'm doing currently at RootsIreland is using the free indexing to locate records, and noting their location, but not buying any. I'm sure I'm not the only one doing that!)
Mike
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Hi Mike,
We may have a common tie with the McGrath family of Lisnagade.
My Great Grandmother was Anne McGrath who married James Lavery in Lisnagade Roman Catholic chapel around 1866. To date I have done no research on my McGrath line, but would like to know if you have. I live 4 miles from Lisnagade and know many McGrath`s in the area.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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Hi Kernon,
Nice to hear from you.
My primary sources are the 1901 and 1911 censuses. In 1911 Elizabeth McGrath O'Kane is listed at 7 King's St. in St. Anne's Ward in Co. Antrim. She's 79. The census says she was born in "Lisnagat" which apparently should be "Lisnagade." Her granddaughter Grace Patterson lives with her. Grace Patterson is my grandmother's sister.
In 1901 Elizabeth is listed as 68, living at 20 Divis St. in Smithfield, Co. Antrim. Her husband Peter O'Kane is 71.
I don't have a document showing that Elizabeth's maiden name was "McGrath." I was told that by a family member and believe it's correct. I also have no birth/baptismal record for her. So I don't know her parents' names. I imagine she had siblings but I don't know their names either.
She's listed in both censuses as Roman Catholic. Would you happen to know in which parish she was likely to have been baptized? That would help narrow down the search of church records at RootsIreland.
Thanks for any help.
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Kernon,
I see you mentioned Lisnagade Roman Catholic chapel in 1866. That's not on the list at RootsIreland. I also searched for a Co. Down marriage record for James Lavery and Ann McGrath in 1861 - 1871, and didn't find one. -- Perhaps their records didn't survive, or haven't been computerized. Maybe you could find out?
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Kernon,
My cousin just sent me a church marriage record for Elizabeth McGrath & Peter Kane. They were married 17 Mar 1855 in St. Patrick's RC Church, Belfast. No info on their parents. The witnesses were Willilam Gilpin and Ann Loughran, but I've no reason to think they had a Lisnagade county Down connection.
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Hi Mike,
Wonder if this is our Elizabeth - a year out but a possibility? Spotted this after seeing the link above posted to familysearch.org by janet666.
https://www.familysearch.org/s/treeDetails/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftree.familysearch.org%3A8080%2Fwww-af-webservice%2Fperson%2F12760193&hash=HloWXpZgU9zB10k5M56iYku8TUc%253D
Regards Philip
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Philip,
I hadn't found that one. It's certainly a possibility. But ... it's somebody's family tree, not a source record. There are five family trees at ancestry.com with that name & birthdate. It looks like people just copy from one another's trees. I haven't found a source citation in any of them. So I'm withholding judgment until I get better evidence. It may be a long wait.
Mike
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Hi Mike,
As I stated before I have not spent much time on the McGrath`s from Lisnagade, but I intend to.
Lisnagade is a townland c 4 miles from a town called Banbridge, Co. Down, 25 miles from Belfast. It has its own Roman Catholic chapel and graveyard where my ancestors are buried.
Lisnagade chapel is clericaly administered from Loughbrickland c 3miles away, under the records of Loughbrickland in the parish of Aghaderg, that is where you will find the Lisnagade records. I dont know what date the records started.
One way I find very useful for finding families in a certain area is to search for the houses in the 1901 and 1911 census, you should try Lisnagade, Scarva Down and the neighbouring townland Kernon, Tullylish, Down ( where my ancestors the McGrath`s and Lavery`s lived hence my username) to uncover surname groups then check who lived in that house.
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Hi Kernon,
With dogged determination (if I may say so) did I search the RC parishes listed for County Down marriage licenses at down.rootsireland.ie. I found 23 RC parishes. Of these, 22 had no listing for a McGrath/Lavery marriage in 1861-1871. Banbridge, however, has three records for McGrath/Lavery marriages, in the narrower period of 1865 - 1867. But none of these is listed with Ann as bride or James as groom.
You did not mention Banbridge as being nearby, and I haven't looked yet to see where it is. Do you think one of these three is the marriage we're looking for?
You mentioned the parish of Aghaderg. RootsIreland has three Aghaderg parishes, but none are RC.
I'm afraid I'm very much in the dark as to how comprehensive the RootsIreland records are.
Thanks for your suggeestions. I'll continue to pursue them.
Best wishes,
Mike
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Hi,
Unsure if this helps. 25 Jul 1866 John Lavery, father John, married Elizabeth McGrath, father Bernard, in Banbridge Roman Catholic Church.
Regards
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Kingskerswell,
Yes, that helps, thanks. I found a very close match at RootsIreland.
May I ask where your information is from? -- I believe there is no FreeBMD for Ulster, and I think there are no indexed marriage records for Ireland at FamilySearch. Is there a source other than RootsIreland I could be using?
Thanks.
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Mike,
I will send you a personal message.
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Griffith's Valuation (the AskAboutIreland version) lists 4 McGrath occupiers in the townland of Lisnagade, Aghaderg Parish, Co. Down: Thomas, James, Hugh, and Peter.
The 1911 census indicates our GGM was born Elizabeth McGrath in Lisnagade in 1833. It seems probable she was related somehow to one or more of these McGrath families. We haven't found a birth cert yet, though, so are unsure which (if any).
(Elizabeth married Peter O'Kane around 1855, and is listed as Elizabeth O'Kane, living in Antrim, in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.)
Any information on the McGrath's of Lisnagade would be appreciated.
I have some information on one family of mc grath. thomas my great grandfather was born in 1826 he is related to another family in lisnagade, He was married to a mary mcanarney. I do know he had brothers, my family came down from thomas , dont know who his brothers or sisters were .
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Found this record but you might find more McGraths by searching PRONI website www.proni.gov.uk
"McGrath Thomas of Lisnagade county Down farmer died 23 February 1937 Administration Belfast 16 July to Bernard McGrath farmer. Effects £258."
the mcgraths you mention are my grand uncles i do know a little about the family
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ballyvarley,
Thanks for your comments. I'm afraid I've been busy with other matters, and have not had time to look into the McGraths further. I hope to get back to you later.
Mike