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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: pincard on Saturday 05 February 11 16:30 GMT (UK)
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My hobby is finding old photos that have names and births on them and trying to trace their family to scan the photo to them.
I have a photo of Henty May Chappell born 1871 Portsea Hampshire
I have been told by a rootschatter that she sailed on the Lady Jocelyn to Te Puke New Zealand 1880. I know her mother's maiden name was Fielder and her father was Joseph bygrave Chappell.
This is the first photo I have had where the person has left the Uk and I am a bit out of my depth now.
I would love to find Henty's decendants and scan the photo to them.
Any help would be much appreciated.pincard
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see this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=511544.new
Mary CHAPPELL wrote a series of letter to her mother during their journey to New Zealand
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/atl_diaries.htm
Fielder, Eliza, fl 1880-1881
Journal / with transcript by Thelma Burrow
Display Dates : 1880-1881, 1886
Ref. No. : MS-Papers-4180 : 1 folder(s)
Joseph and Mary Chappell sailed from London to Tauranga aboard the `Lady Jocelyn', Sep 1880-Jan 1881. Joseph Bygrave Chappell d. 1916 , a carpenter, worked in the Tauranga district and Te Puke. Eliza Fielder was Mary Chappell's mother. The journal is based on letters written to Eliza Fielder by her daughter Mary and her son-in-law, detailing their experiences. Chappell, Joseph. Chappell, Mary (Fielder) d 1926.
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This site lists some CHAPPELL death notices for the Te Puke area in the 1950/60s
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sooty/tepukedeathnoticeA-K.html
It lists some grandchildren of the deceased. It's possible they are still alive.
And a more recent one here
http://www.familyarchives.co.nz/ViewNotice.aspx?nid=15426
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There is a wonderful blog
where the writer trys to id and find owners of photos in NZ
http://bygonedaysphotography.blogspot.com/
I'm sure they would be interested in helping in the hunt
fingers crossed!
Bye
Althea
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This site lists some CHAPPELL death notices for the Te Puke area in the 1950/60s
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sooty/tepukedeathnoticeA-K.html
It lists some grandchildren of the deceased. It's possible they are still alive.
And a more recent one here
Hi there just wanted to thank you again for the info and to say that Christine Clement is going to put the photos in her book and also send copies to the local library. A good result but will still try to find living relations.
Thank you again. Always good to get results.
http://www.familyarchives.co.nz/ViewNotice.aspx?nid=15426
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Henty Chappell married firstly Thomas Owen Williams (1892) and secondly George Whitelaw (1921). She died in 1931 and is buried in Bromley Cemetery Christchurch. Children from the first marriage were Margaret Alice (1893) and Charles Henry (1907). Margaret Alice married George Thorp (1919) and seems to have been widowed the same year, marrying Robert Jennings in 1923.
Apologies if this has been posted on one of the other threads.
Simon
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Descendants of Henty May CHAPPELL
Henty May and Thomas Owen WILLIAMS, also had other children. :)
NZ Births
1896 - WILLIAMS - Mildred May
Parents: Henly [sic] May & Thomas 0.
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There is a marriage < after 1930, so unable to post details here > for a "Mildred May WILLIAMS" - if same person, then she wed rather late in life, so maybe had "no issue" ?
Slightly complicating that find, is no (apparent) death registration in NZ under married or maiden names - and it appears that husband may have re-married some 5 years later (but no "divorce" to be seen.) ??
Mildred May does not appear under married name on Electoral rolls - she's there however, (as WILLIAMS) living at times in same locations as other family members. [Last on Wellington West roll in 1938.]
~ Lu
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Descendants of Henty May CHAPPELL :
Another child.
1895 - WILLIAMS - Arthur Owen Parents: Hetty [sic] May and Thomas Owen
Served WW1 - at enlistment his NoK is shown as ~
"Mrs H.M. WILLIAMS (Mother), Mokoia, via Hawera, NZ"
NZ Marriage
Arthur Owen WILLIAMS - Gertrude May KELSALL -- 1923
Electoral Rolls
1919 - listings for both Wellington South and Patea
1928 to 1938 - at Waipawa (Hawkes Bay)
1946 to 1969 - at Pahiatua
Can't find a New Zealand death listing for "Arthur Owen" as such ??
Still looking. ;)
~ Lu
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Arthur Owen WILLIAMS - cont'd.
Further Electoral listing
WILLIAMS - Arthur O. - at Rotorua - 1972 to 1978
There is also a probate record (at Archives NZ - Auckland) for the following:
WILLIAMS - Arthur Owen - Waipukurau/Rotorua
- Ret'd. Company Director - 1977
Maybe there's a burial or cremation record at Rotorua which might confirm age of this man ?
~ Lu
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Descendants of Henty May CHAPPELL
Just to add to Simon's finds for Margaret Alice WILLIAMS. ;)
re: George THORP (1st husband of Margaret Alice)
On his enlistment WW1 he gives as NoK
~ "Miss A. WILLIAMS (friend), Mokoia*, New Zealand"
[*Mokoia was also address on enlistment for Arthur Owen WILLIAMS - son of Mrs H. M. WILLIAMS. ]
George THORP was buried at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland
in August 1919. [A Margaret Alice JENNINGS & (second husband) Robert JENNINGS, are to be found in Auckland area up until 1957. See next post. ]
~ Lu
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Margaret Alice JENNINGS
NZ Death
1961 - JENNINGS - Margaret Alice - 68 years (bc 1893)
Electoral Rolls
Last listing for a Margaret Alice JENNINGS is on Eden (Auckland) e/roll in 1957. (For Robert JENNINGS - last in 1949 at Roskill (Auckland)).
So burial or cremation probably Auckland area ? (Some of cemetery websites are "down" at present - will look again later unless someone can find on burial locator ?)
~ Lu
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Hi pincard
Hopefully by adding details for Henty's children here, a descendant might just spring forth. :)
If not, then the info at least provides leads which may in turn enable death notices to be found ... and thus progress to the next step.
[I haven't followed up on Charles Henry WILLIAMS (b. 1907) - there are way too many similarly named chaps. ;D ]
~ Lu
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[I haven't followed up on Charles Henry WILLIAMS (b. 1907) - there are way too many similarly named chaps. ;D ]
~ Lu
This may be him, Lu:
1969/43102 Williams Charles Henry 62Y
Simon
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Good find Simon. :) (Will check now for his place of death).
~ Lu
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Hi, the info here is amazing and plenty more than I knew. I found this thread quite by accident while doing a google search for May Chappell.
I did some searching for more details on my family myself last night..... I can confirm that Charles Henry Williams (son of Henty May Chappell and Thomas Owen Williams) died in 1969 at the age of 62. He was cremated at Karori (Wellington New Zealand). There is a website listing the deaths in all of Wellington Council's cemetries. Record no. 31681 indicates Charles Henry williams died on 23rd November 1969. His wife Runa Mansfield Williams (maiden name Scandrett? spelling?) died on 9th October 1974 (68 years old), cremated at Karori also (record no. 39141). There is another record for Runa and a photo of a plaque with the inscription "Charles Henry Williams MVO ...... and his wife Runa Mansfield ......"
Charles Henry Williams was my Grandpop and died when I was 8 years old. I have two younger sisters. My Mum was Charles' daughter Jillian Eleanor Williams. There were also two sons, Thane Williams and David (Owen? Charles?) Williams (we called him Uncle Doc). Thane married Ray - had no children though. David (Doc) has four children (my cousins).
As kids, Mildred May I am told, pretty well brought up Charles. Mildred did not have any children. She moved to Sydney Australia, probably why a death registration in New Zealand could not be found. There is also the story that Mildred did marry and went on her honey moon to then walk out of the marriage about a week later. Knowing my Great Aunt Mildred she probably never got a divorce?? and certainly did not re marry.
I don't know much about Margaret Alice except that my Mum called her Alice. In regard to their brother Arthur Owen Williams I only know that he had a son and daughter, John and Doreen. This would all need to be confirmed. I never knew them as a kid and I would guess they were a lot older than by Grandpop Charles (Charlie).
My Mum described Thomas Owen Williams (married to May Chappell) as Welsh. I have no other info on him.
I have also been told that Henty May had a sister called Eleanor though she was a bit 'delicate'.
I would love to find out more about the Chappells. Particularly as I was given their name though my Mum changed the spelling. Also to find out more on the Williams. Having started I think I am hooked.
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Hi Annable
.... Welcome. :)
Wonderful ... and so pleased for both you and "pincard" that you discovered this thread. :)
And with the additional information you've provided, have now located Mildred May.
Mildred May WILLIAMS - died 20 May 1985 (Sydney)
... late of Waterloo, formerly of New Zealand.
Her death/funeral notice was published in the "Sydney Morning Herald" on 23 May 1985.
If you go to the following site, one of the wonderful volunteers there will be able to send you a copy of the notice. ;)
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
~ Lu
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His wife Runa Mansfield Williams (maiden name Scandrett? spelling?) ...
Just confirming spelling of surname as SCANDRETT.
You can see her birth entry (1906) at the following site >>
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home
(and some entries for her siblings).
Parents marriage:
Annie Isabella LITTLE - William Francis SCANDRETT - 1895
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My Mum described Thomas Owen Williams (married to May Chappell) as Welsh. I have no other info on him.
.... Also to find out more on the Williams. Having started I think I am hooked.
Hi Annable
The best place to start, is with a copy of the marriage record for (Henty) May and Thomas Owen. ;)
This is the most reliable source, giving you information supplied by the bride and groom themselves. [Info includes, their birthplaces, parents names - father's occupations/mother's maiden names ... names of marriage witnesses who may prove to also be family members ... ]
NZ Marriage
Henty May CHAPPELL - Thomas Owen WILLIAMS -- 1892
You'll find ordering details at the NZ BDM link given in my previous post. [A "printout" of the marriage record (rather than a certificate), is the recommended purchase - less expensive and offers additional details. ] ;)
Once you have that information, if you add it here, we can then (hopefully) assist you with the next step. :)
~ Lu
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Thanks Lu, awesome :D
I have located the births and marriages for Scandrett and the children of Henty May and Thomas Owen Williams, using the website suggested .. details on the way. Found Henty May's sister Eleanor. She was born in 1881 in New Zealand. According to Gavin Petrie's website the Lady Jocelyn arrived at Tauranga on 2nd January 1881.
Ummm then no luck with the marriage of Henty May and Thomas Owen Williams ??? Geez I must be missing something .... muttter mutttter.
Great you located Mildred in Sydney (will chase the paper work for that really soon).
To follow the Chappell line I guess I would need the marriage details for Mary (Fielder) and Joseph Bygrave Chappell?
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Ummm then no luck with the marriage of Henty May and Thomas Owen Williams ??? Geez I must be missing something .... muttter mutttter.
Hi Annable
Well, blow me down ::) .... yep, the marriage entry is missing from NZ BDM's website. Occasionally these things happen. ;) ( I'd actually found it on another resource. )
Not to worry, NZ BDM will have a record of it. If you e-mail them ahead of ordering, they'll give you a (new) reference number to use (- you'll find their "contact" link on the website).
Just quote the following :
Henty May CHAPPELL - Thomas Owen WILLIAMS
Year of Marriage : 1892
Folio No. 0185
Source: NZSG Marriages 1836-1956
~ Lu
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To follow the Chappell line I guess I would need the marriage details for Mary (Fielder) and Joseph Bygrave Chappell?
Hi
With this one, I'd suggest you pop back over to the Hampshire board (where you posted your initial query) .... maybe start a new thread ?
There are lots of talented RootsChatters ... with lots of resources .... they'll be able to find further info for you from BDM and the UK census records. ;)
The marriage is listed on the FREE BMD (UK) index as >>
Marriages - JUN - 1870
FEILDER - Mary
CHAPPELL - Joseph Bygrave
Registered at : Portsea
In your inquiry include any relevant info ... Mary & Joseph's approx. years of birth ... that Mary's mother was Eliza FEILDER ... etc.
~ Lu
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Thanks Lu,
That was a releif. :P Done the deed, will post the info when I get it. So cool !!
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Yes, will start a new thread for Mary and Joseph Bysgrave Chappell
Also can I send a big thank you to pincard for posting the thread on Henty May Chappell. Such an amazing thing to have done. It was so exciting to see the info on the thread. Thank you all. Would gratefully receive a scan of the photo too. I must only know some of her living decendents and will work at finding others.
Annable
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I am descended from Henty's brother William. I would love a copy f the photo if possiblr? The only one I have is of the family and the children are all very young.
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Looking for information about henty may chappell daughter Margaret alice Jennings