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hi there iam looking for any information on lot roberts he was my 2nd great grandfather he born curwear and live most of live in narbeth also he died in the march 1925 does anyone have any information on him.
many thanks damian
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Hi Damian
I take it you have his census details :)
ricky
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Hi Damian,
I typed up a synopsis and accidentally deleted ::)
Anyhow Lot seems to have Martha Ann PHILLIPS.
His parents were WILLIAM and MARY
Mary was Williams second Wife and married under REES.His first was Anne.
Mary Rees appears to have been married before too, as there are a mix of Roberts/Rees children on 1851 Census.
What child of Lot/Martha are you descended from?
Trish :)
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RETRIEVED IT :)
Lot was aged 75 when he died so born c 1850.
On the 1851 Census he is with his parents William and Mary and born Begelly, Pembrokeshire (Narbeth reg area).
He married Martha Ann PHILLIPS 4th qtr 1870
Mother Mary, born 1811 Begelly, appears on 1881/1891 Census with him and his Family.
Lot and Martha seem to have had about 11 children.
They lived in Carmarthenshire as well.
William Reynolds seems to have been married before and Mary is his second wife. His first was Ann according to 1841 Census.
Marriage;
William REYNOLDS
Mary REES
December 1848, Narberth, 26 955
On the 1851 Census there are a mix of Reynolds and Rees children.
But Lot born 1850 would be most likely be the child of William and Mary.
I could go on and on but need to know what you have.
Trish :)
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hi there iam looking for any information on lot roberts
By my reckoning Lot Roberts was baptised at Reynoldston in 1850.
Llanteg is the modern name given to what we know as Crunwear or Crunwere, to date our local history society has produced 5 books on the village, with a sixth in production under the guidance of Ruth Roberts our Chair/Sec, a very deep well of knowledge on the area.
The website for your interest is
http://llanteghistorysociety.blogspot.com/
From my listing of the 1851 census for Crunwere there are no Roberts listed.
From my listing of the Grave and memorial inscriptions in the Parish of Crunwere there are no Roberts listed.
From my listing of all names places and relations in every will proven at the ECC of St David’s 1600 to 1858 there is no reference to the Roberts surname around the time of your interest. There are a few references in early 1700's and early 1600's.
From the 1841 census I note William Roberts at Church Land Reynoldston shown as aged 40 a Farmer with his wife Anne and 3 boys and 1 daughter all born in Cty.
This is the only Roberts family in the parish at this time.
Trust this is of assistance to you.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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hi there iam looking for any information on lot roberts he was my 2nd great grandfather he born curwear and live most of live in narbeth also he died in the march 1925 does anyone have any information on him.
many thanks damian
Damian
Damuan
Reynalton Baptism Register
06 Jan 1850 Lot to William & Mary Roberts of Church Lane a Farmer
27 Apr 1851 Nathan to William & Mary Roberts of Catershill Begelly a Farmer
Begelly is a hop skip and jump from Crunwear.
Rgds
Oreilbenfro
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hi there iam looking for any information on lot roberts he was my 2nd great grandfather he born curwear and live most of live in narbeth also he died in the march 1925 does anyone have any information on him.
many thanks damian
Hi Damian - just found this through Googling!
I'm the Ruth quoted above by Orielbenfro.
My ancestors are the same line as Lots wifes - Martha Ann Phillips (was a Phillips myself before marriage).
I'm also in contact with direct decendants of Lot and both they and myself have full trees on the Ancestry website. They are descended from Thomas Roberts - son of Lot.
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Hi Damian,
I've just seen your correspondence on Lot Roberts who is the brother of my gg grandfather Nathaniel Roberts. I have just started picking up the threads again on researching the Roberts family having not done much work on them for a few years. I thought another go may make some more progress and get over a few of the roadblocks.
Lot was 1 of 3 children to William Roberts and Mary Rees nee Dey(or Day) who was Williams 2nd wife. Mary had 2 children by her 1st husband Thomas Rees who she married at Begelly in 1837. The children were Ann and Martha.
William had 8 children by his wife Anne Jenkins who died in 1848 at Raynolton. They married in Jeffreston in 1827.
William was supposed to have come from Ireland but I have been unable to trace him back before his 1st marriage. Thomas Roberts was a witness at his first wedding and there are also a few vague references to his father being David Roberts. I plan to try and find out more info on these 3 men with this latest research.
Lots' brothers (from Mary) were Nathaniel(m. Ann Nicholas in 1870 and had 6 children) and James(m. Emma/Emily Williams in 1875 and had 13 children).
I have quite a lot of info on the Dey ancestors of Mary who farmed at Catershill, Begelly. The earliest is a James Dey who was born ~1750.
I am happy to exchange database with you to try and fill in some more gaps.
Regards
Roger Jones
Swansea
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...................I have quite a lot of info on the Dey ancestors of Mary who farmed at Catershill, Begelly.
Roger
Have you considered the wills of the Dey family of early to late 18th Century of Llanstadwell and Steyton and have you made a link with the 1731 Dey mrge at Llandstadwell ?
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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Oriel,
Thanks for your reply. The answer is no to both of your comments but I am planning a trip to Haverfordwest soon and Wills and Property ownership are on my list. Dey is an off-shoot of my family tree and I have only gone back to the marriage of James Dey and Rebecca Ollin at Begelly in 1776 so far. I will take a look at your references as I have not looked at the parishes you mentioned.
Thanks
Roger
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hi there, lot roberts was my 2nd greatfather i have a few bit info on him and some faimly would like to exchange information, if give your detail or number/address i write to you or call you about lot roberts.
I hope to hear form you soon damian
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planning a trip to Haverfordwest soon and Wills and Property ownership are on my list.
Roger
Save some time consult wills prior to your visit for free at ;
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en
Not sure what you mean by "Property Ownership", because there certainly are no records as such at the Rec Off. The nearest you will get is L.T.A.'s circa 1781 to 1833, these only show Occupier/lessor name and Owner name, with location name.
You could try Kelly's or something similiar for the 1830's onwards excluding the Universal Commerical of 1797.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Oriol,
Thanks for info. I've been planning to look at the NLW wills for a while and your note has encouraged me to do that. When I said property records, I was looking to find any info from parish records/Vestry minutes relating to the collection of church rent/tythes. Also to look at any old maps which would give a trail to possible tenants/reference documents.
Roger
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hi there Roger and oriol
Do have any contact deatail like a emial as i have a few bit of info on lot robert if you like to see them. maybe a share of infrormation will be get benefit to both of us.
Lot robert is youngest daughther was my great grand monther. and have a bit info on her so if like swap info please get in touch
damian
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any info from parish records/Vestry minutes relating to the collection of church rent/tythes.................old maps........
P.R.s for Reynalton start circa 1786, Jefferston circa 1731. Vestry Minutes are intermittent to say the least and may be tied up in the P.R.'s. Old Maps start with the Military Map of 1818 but has very limited info and errors that I have discovered to my cost. It has no houses but some farmsteads etc and no family names. Tythe Map 1837-1841, in the main only Assessements are held at the Rec Off, although there are some limited maps which accompany Assessements. The Assessements only shown occupier and Owner, no family. Qtr Sessions may be a better source. There are some good Estate papers, if your ancestor worked for one of the big names in the Cty.
I would recommend an email to the Rec Off asking for copies of their free search guide leaflets on the subjects of your interest, this would be an excellent way to prepare for a visit. Also I can recommend the book "Village Records" by J. West, although it deals with an English Village the documents its describes will also appertain to Wales.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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I have done quite a bit of research on the estate and tithe records for Reynolton and Begelly so can pass comment on what is/is not available.
All the land in the parish of Reynolton by early 19th century was owned by the Harcourt Powell estate. The records for for the Pembrokeshire part of the estate are held at Haverfordwest. That's the good news. Bad news is little survives from the mid-19th century. There are some maps - fantastic in fact - albeit dating from the 1770s. But all is not lost. A selection of letters from the estate's agent (Hugh Wilson) to the landlords survive from the 1820s (ref D/POW/H/169-196) reporting on estate matters. They do not mention William Roberts himself BUT they do mention his 2 immediate predecessors (Morris Ormond and John Francis) and the problems they had. These are very instructive and will give you some idea of the impoverished nature of the local farms at the time Roberts signed his lease c. 1829.
Also keep your eyes open for some good material on the lease agreements for the Dey family at Carn and Rees family at Catershill (doc # 188).
If memory serves me right, the Pembrokeshire RO also has both the Reynolton tithe map and award and you'll find Roberts mentioned.
He has always intrigued me: he started off a farmer of a good sized (for Pembrokeshire anyway) farm, was the guardian of the Poor for the parish in the late 1830s so in a position of trust and responsibility but ended up an ag lab in the 1871 census. Maybe he retired and just kept his hand in labouring or maybe something untoward happened. If you find out I'd be interested to know.
Jon
PS. Have a look at the graveyard at Molleston Baptist Church as you'll find a useful gravestone there. The church is 3 miles or so to the north of Reynolton. Alternatively if you want the details just shout.
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the Dey ancestors of Mary who farmed at Catershill, Begelly. The earliest is a James Dey who was born ~1750.
Roger,
I was out on the bike today and landed up at Llanwnda to do some research on the Harris family for someone, anyway I came across a very early and rather interesting Dey headstone in Llanwnda churchyard and remembered your interest, I know its out of your interested area, but I took a jpeg just in case you want it. If you are interested drop me a PM with an email address and I can pass it on, if not interested please let me know and I can delete.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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hi there.
iam looking for information of my 3th great grandfather william robets i know he died in Narbeth in September 1871 and his wife Mary Roberts in December 1888 i like to find where he could be burried and his wife any help will be greatful
many thanks damian
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Can you check these dates as they are over 100 years part
i know he died in Narbeth in September 1871 and his wife Mary Roberts in December 1988
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hey there sorry my 3th great grandmother passed away in December 1888 in narbeth
sorry put wrong date any help will be greatful
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Hi
If William Roberts died in Narberth,your thread would be better off on the Pembrokeshire Board.
I cant help you,sorry,but someone there might.
Kind Regards
Omega
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Please do not raise a new request - I have asked the moderator to move this one to the Pembrokeshire board
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hi there.
iam looking for information of my 3th great grandfather william robets i know he died in Narbeth in September 1871 and his wife Mary Roberts in December 1888 i like to find where he could be burried and his wife any help will be greatful
many thanks damian
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william robets i know he died in Narbeth in September 1871 and his wife Mary Roberts in December 1888
The death of William Roberts aged 73 was registered in the 3rd Qtr of 1871 in the Narberth Registration District, therefore it is lightly he was buried in one of the many parishes or chapels covered by that Registration District. Where was William living in the 1871 census as that would be the parish to search 1st. Given that William died in the town of Narberth and not just the Registration District, his headstone if it survives will be in either Narberth Churchyard or perhaps across the road in the new cemetery. The majority of Narberth Churchyard is maintained by the Cty Council, the church only retain a very small area around the church.
The only apparent Mary Roberts that could fit would be the death that was registered in the 4th Qtr of 1888 aged 74 in the Pembroke Registration District. Currently the only one that appears to fit is the mother of Lot Roberts living in the village of Marros Carmarthenshire.
The problem here is that Marros is in the Narberth Registration District and not Pembroke, therefore her final resting place would be somewhere west of Tenby.
The above pre supposes 2 things ;
a. both where established church and not non-conformist, in which case your search becomes even more difficult.
b. The Registration District shown is the Register Office where the death was registered, not necessarily the area where the death/burial occurred. In the 1890’s our own ancestor baptised established church, converted to chapel, lived in Saundersfoot, died in Aberbeeg Glam and was buried at Tenby. His death was registered in Glamorgan.
I regularly visit a farm close to Marros Church, if this is confirmed as the location of her burial it is no trouble to see if her headstone survives.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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Damian
William Roberts of Loveston Lane was buried at Molleston Baptist Church in August 1871. His stone survives.
I have assumed that his wife, Mary, was buried at Begelly church 6/7/1898, her residence shown as Lan, Kiffig in the burial register.
Jon
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hi there jon
thank you so much for all your work can you tell me where Molleston Baptist Church do how to get to it and the grave number of william robert .
also do where Begelly church and what grave stone number if Mary roberts has one.
Any help will be greatful as not sure of the area in west wales
many thanks damian
ps if anyone else can help where the church might be postcode of place near by will greatful and the stone number.
thank you again damian
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Begelly ;
http://www.experiencepembrokeshire.com/history-archaeology/community-heritage/st-marys-parish-church-begelly
Molleston Chapel ;
http://www.experiencepembrokeshire.com/history-archaeology/community-heritage/st-marys-parish-church-begelly
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Hello :)
Do you have William's death certificate? This should give his address at the time of his death, which may help identify nearby cemeteries where he may be buried.
I see the death on freebmd - William Roberts age 73 in 1871 (Sep Q)
Narberth 11a 431 but Narberth district is a large area.
Best wishes
Morgan
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hi there jonm
thank you for all help i will going down this year to find the grave of my family.
but can you tell me is mary burried in the same church ground and the same grave as william
thnak you again damian
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Hi Damian
As per my message on the 29th, William is buried at Molleston Baptist Church and Mary probably at Begelly Church of England. His stone survives (in 2008 when I saw it anyway), but not sure about her's. The information about her I provided you was from the Begelly parish register.
Happy hunting
Jon
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Hello everyone,
this is my first post.
I can see many discussions going on here about the day family.
I am a direct descendant of James day who worked at catershill farm. The farm during the mid 1800's was left to James day's son - Joseph Day who married James Rees' daughter. James Rees originally owned the farm.
Many of you have noted that you have DAY family history and i would very much like to see what you have researched.
I recently received an email from an Australian chap who lives in Perth, who's mother was a descendant from James Day.
It appears as though the DAY family in pembrokeshire is very extensive, and I would love to hear about any discoveries or indeed living ancestors that I have no idea about!
Kind Regards,
Rob Day
Tenby
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Please get in touch if you have any information
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Hi Rob
Welcome to Rootschat
I dont know if you realise but it`s against Rootschat rules to put your email address on the board.
Can i suggest you remove it .
Kind Regards
omega
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hey there Roger Jones
i just upload my tree to ancesty if like to view my tree and fill your gaps also i have gene reuntied if you like to share some infomation.
hope hear from you soon damian
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hi there jon i was over looking some notes on roots chat,
on april 8th you mension
Also keep your eyes open for some good material on the lease agreements for the Dey family at Carn and Rees family at Catershill (doc # 188).
does this mean the day family where land owners and famers whats is the doc 188 at catershill where could obtain this from and is reynolton the parish of pembroke as i will for the land deeds i like know about the farm as i have intrested in the farm land and still there today its so intrested
any help on the day family would greatful how did find the infomation out where shall i begin thank for all your advice i have made plan for a good day out just want find as much info on day day
i hope hear from soon damian
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Damian
ref my post on 8/4/10:
The original post answers most of your questions.
However, the Harcourt Powell family owned the land at Carne, the Day family were tenant farmers leasing the land directly fromt Harcourt Powells. The Harcourt Powell estate records for their lands in Pembrokeshire are held at the Pembrokeshire Record Office (PRO) at Haverfordwest.
I should have been clearer about document 188. This is part of a series of letters held at PRO in ref D/POW/H/169-196. Document 188 is part of this and shows that until about 1823, the Days were sub-tenants to the Harcourt Powell estate, not tenants. This helps explain why the family does not appear on other useful sources such as the Land Tax records for Begelly, also held at PRO.
When you go to PRO, ask to see the Harcourt Powell estate records catalogue and pick out any interestting documents covering Carn. The staff will get these documents for you. If memory serves me right, there are not many.
Catershill and Carn farms are in Begelly parish.
Jon
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Hello to everyone i am doing my family tree i found i related to the roberts in narbeth area is there any people on here that might related to me my great great grand father was called lot roberts and i believe, his father was william that all i know if any one related to me if anyone want to know more about me please get in touch.
thanks
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hey there miles my 2nd great father was lot robert born in kiffig and live there and so was his children and he burried there with wife Martha Ann if you want more let me know. also cenus are good idea to start do know which side of roberts you come from as i might be help you out
many thanks damian
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hello damuan187
i my great grand mother died real young had my grandfather young and not sure who great grandfather is my gt mother so Cissie so i came from that side i do not know much on grandparent or gt grandparnet my 2nd gt parent was lot robert i like to know more about him is anyone else releated to me.
thanks
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Hi there everyone
I am originally from Wales in Bridgend but live in Canada for 20 years and still got family there living in Ireland now. i am tracing my family roots I found out iam related to some family in south west Wales called Roberts my 2nd great grandfather was lot Roberts I am from a side of his father that not well know I like know is there family out there and still alive might related to me please let know miles.
Also I have lots info on my family side if it’s any help to you
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Hallo Miles,
do you have any dates for Lot Roberts, please. Also a birth place if possible?
Viv
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hello viv
i beleave he was born in 1850 in narbeth area had a 8 or children i beleave not sure only just found info on him i know he died in the area in 1925 that much i got on him trying find more also any family i have in wales
miles
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I have found a Lot Roberts b. 1850 in Reynoldston, Pembrokeshire (Farmer) on the 1891 and 1901 Census.
Could he be yours?
Living with Martha (wife) b. 1850, Amroth
William, 1874 - Marros (Carmarthenshire)
Margaret, 1877 - Marros "
Rosanna, 1879 - Marros "
Martha, 1881 - Marros "
Joseph, 1883- Marros "
James, 1885- Marros "
David John, 1887 - Cyffic "
Thomas, 1889 - Cyffic "
Mary Roberts (mother) b. 1812 in Begelly, Pembrokshire
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1901 Census says his birthplace is Begelly,Pembrokeshire.
I would expect that the two places are not far from each other.
As of the last census, seems he was born in Begelly, Pembrokeshire
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hello viv
wow that q bit info for start somewhere i have look on cenus heard about them not sure how research them thank you
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You are welcome Miles.
1851 Census HO107 Piece:2475 Folio:744 Page:16
William Roberts, b. 1802 Pembrokeshire, Ireland (?) Farmer
Mary , b. 1813 Begelly
Thomas, 1829
Samuel, 1833
Anne, 1838
Mary, 1840
Martha, 1841
George, 1843
David , 1845
LOT 1850
all born in Begelly
So, that is Lot's Father, Mother and siblings.
If you carry on through the census, you can find Lot with his wife and children right up to 1911
Search for a marriage for Lot and Martha etc....
Viv
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Perhaps the following threads should be brought together to save duplication of effort ;
Moderator Comment: several threads merged because all relate to the same Roberts family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,424142.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,503560.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,506410.0.html
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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hi there everyeone i just discove i have great grandfather Nathaniel Roberts not lot roberts my mistake and might related to lot robert can anyone help out and let me know who Nathaniel Roberts and confrim my result also i might relate to day family in pemborke off the roberts line not sure how yet still diging on the tree
any help and adive would be good thank you all
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could you provide dates, places, census refs, please? Anything to help research. And links to previous threads would be appreciated to prevent duplication of effort.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,508149.0.html
who Nathaniel Roberts and confrim my result
who Nathaniel Roberts what??
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Nathaniel Roberts not lot roberts
Guessing at generations against what I can find, x/ref'd to your other Roberts threads, I suspect that the person you are interested in is Nathan (Not Nathaniel) Roberts who was baptised 27 Apr 1851 at Reynalton, given that a Lot Roberts was also baptised at Reynalton 06 Jun 1850, both children to William & Mary Roberts. See IGI.
I have searched my antique non-index’d 61 census no Roberts shown Reynalton, perhaps someone else can check the ’51 and/or ’61 on line for further details, as it is quite clear from my quick look there are a number of other children to this family.
There is a William and Anne Roberts a Farmer with 5 children resident at Reynalton (Reynoldston) in 1841.
I note a William Roberts labourer married Anne Jenkins at Jefferston 17 Apr 1827
Before I waste anymore time on what is lightly the wrong family, Osprey is absolutely right on this one, the clear and concise info you seek on one thread would be an advantage to all and perhaps you should reframe from multi postings on the same family on different threads ~ its just a thought mind.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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hi there thank you for help
i had a letter off my counsin in pembroke and he told we could related to nathan not lots roberts he send me the information iam coming over to wales in april and going to record office and also order a few birth, marriage and death certificates and see where may lead me i love know where i came from its all so new to me, adivce what looking from or where start will helpful.
miles
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just a few more children ;)
1861 census
Caters Hill, Begelly RG9/4151 folio 5 pg 8
William Roberts head mar 60 farmer b. Ireland
Mary wife 49
David son 17
Lort (sic) son 11
Nathaniel son 9
James son 8
all born Begelly except where stated
1851 Caters Hill HO107/2475 folio 744 pg 16
William Roberts head mar 49 farmer b. Ireland
Mary wife 38 b. Begelly
Thomas son 22 b. Reynalton
Daniel son 18 b. Reynalton
Ann dau 13 b. Begelly
Mary dau 11 b. Reynalton
Martha Rees dau 10 b. Begelly
George Roberts son 8 b. Reynalton
David son 6 b. Reynalton
Lot son 1 month b. Begelly
Given that daughter Martha is enumerated as Rees, this could be the remarriage
William Roberts dec qtr 1848 Narberth vol 26 pg 955 with Mary Rees on the same page
& death reg
Anne Roberts june qtr 1848 Narberth vol 26 pg 511
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hey there morganllan
i beleave william roberts st mary church begelly and his wife Mary (Day) at Molleston Baptist Church
not sure if the same church or different church any help you can give me will be greatful
damian
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Begelly St Mary is established church at Begelly on the hill overlooking the Coal Mine, now a garden centre on an 'S' bend on the A478 north of the main main village situate on the old main road through Begelly.
Molleston Baptist Chapel is non-conformist, situated to the west of Templeton Just north of the A4115 on an unclass country lane. North of the old disused airfield of RAF Templeton which had been built in the wrong county and country.
Look at Google maps in both map and Satallite modes to see difference. also suggest you refer to ;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/indexpars.html
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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hello everyone in the next week so iam off to pembroke area and tring to get do as much in one day as possible iam looking for church Begelly where my 3th great grandmother mary ann roberts (day) she burried in the graveyard is Lan, Kiffig.
also My 3th grandfather William Roberts Molleston Baptist Church in 1871 i do not why they burried in differeny churchs but does any have map or post code of the churchs or grave yard as i like to find where are and see the area and dircetion would be helpful and land marks i do not the area well and come from swansea way down
any help in finding these place would be good thank you.
Also any that might related to roberts family in narbeth area please get in touch as have alot info and like to share and if you have same be greatful
damian
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Hi Damian, :)
See Orielbenfro's reply to your previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,503447.0.html
He has given directions to the 2 locations.
Updated: Topics merged
Kind Regards
Morgan
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i am looking for church Begelly where my 3th great grandmother mary ann roberts (day) she burried in the graveyard is Lan, Kiffig.
William Roberts Molleston Baptist Church in 1871 i do not why they burried in differeny churchs
You need to understand Begelly Church is the established parish church of the parish of Begelly.
Molleston Baptist Chapel is a non-conformist chapel, faith currently unknown, but that is easily found out by looking at Pembrokeshire GENUKI. As far as I am aware there is no Chapel that is a parish church in Pembrokeshire.
Post 1837 intro of Civil Registration and the allowance by law of mrge in Chapel, it became quite common for families to ‘convert’ from established church to being Chapel goers, as shown by our own ancestors converting to Tenby Deer Park Baptist from established church elsewhere in the county.
At the risk of repeating myself just go to Google Maps satellite mode, Begelly, find the parish church on the ‘S’ bend proceed north up the A478 to Templeton. Turn West on the A4115 and Molleston Chapel is on the right or north side up a small unclass lane.
Settle down with a glass of wine in a comfortable chair and read a few books on the art of historical research, you will be amazed at just how much easier it then becomes.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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.... looking for church Begelly where my 3th great grandmother mary ann roberts (day) she burried in the graveyard is Lan, Kiffig.....
Is your Grandmother buried at St Kyffig, Cyffig or at St Mary's, Begelly?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Cyffig/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Begelly/#ChurchHistory
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hey there morganllan
my 3th greatmother is burried in st mary church begelly she called mary roberts died in july 1898
and william robert is burried in molleston baptist church pembrokeshire died August 1871 not sure why they burried in two different churchs
damian
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hello everyone.
sorry not in touch i have been working sorry, thank you for cenus help its been great show to my family i have find more about the roberts line when come to wales soon Nathanel robert was my grandmother grandparent she told about him only live in pembroke and the roberts are from ireland but found on trace in ireland yet still working on it.
Also found out out another side the days not sure how we realted yet still working on it. is anyone relate to me as love to find out and get know about my family i have a lot info on my side how end on over here in ireland and canada long story does any have info on the 1841 cenus on william robet might be my 2nd great father father.
also to Orielbenfro and osprey a big thanks for all the cenus and write up do know if any them where farms as i fround a farming backround nice find out
miles
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1841 Church Land, Reynalton HO107/1448/23 folio 2 pg 9
William Roberts 40 farmer b. Ireland
Anne 30
Thomas 12
William 8
Daniel 6
John 4
Mary 1
all born in county except William senior
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thank you osprey
i will find out the info on william i wonder his wfie is welsh or irish
does any have info on the othere children on william roberts and how we could be connect to be each other.
thank you miles
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Moderator Comment: several threads merged because all relate to the same Roberts family :)
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Hello everyone,
Just looked at rootsweb after a long absence from the site. I have a large dB on the Roberts family and recently exchanged data with Rob Day. William Roberts married Mary Day in 1848. It was a 2nd marriage for both of them. Williams' first wife was Anne Jenkons but she died on 9th May 1848 during the birth of her son Joseph.
On the marriage cert, Williams father was shown as David, a farmer. There are several David Roberts in the 1841 census and another that died in Narberth area in 1839. It is not unusual for the father on a marriage cert to be shown as alive when he is dead!! I have a photo of Williams' grave in Molleston Cemetary taken last summer. Also a few more grave photos of the Roberts family.
My great grandfather was William Roberts, son of Nathan/Nathaniel the brother of Lot. William had 8 children with Anne and 3 with Mary. Anyone wishing to exchange info then please contact me
Roger Jones
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Re - WILLAIM ROBERTS born around 1801.
I have confusion regarding birthplace as:
1841 census - birthplace shown SCOTLAND (but should be Ireland surely)
1851 census - birthplace shown Ireland Pembs?
1861 census - birthplace shown Ireland R.N.
Anyone know any more on him?
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I took a close look at the 1841 Census sheet under magnification and I'm sure it is a "loopy" I in the place of birth column. I agree with 1851 and 61 locations but the confusion is that 1871 shows pob as Jeffreston
Roger
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there was an I for Ireland on the copy of the 1841 census I looked at. The Pembrokeshire in 1851 seems to come from the enumerator having dittoed Pembs for everyone on the page.
Miles, Ann from 1841 was born in Pembrokeshire.
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Thanks Porkpie - I missed that 1871 one off sorry.
Well he did marry his first wife in Jeffreston (if I've been told correctly) and he's the only one on the 1871 census page that says Jeffreston.
Wonder if he's just been to Ireland (or his dad?) - and why have Ireland R.N. listed in 1861?
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Hello Porkpie (roger) and osprey and Curnwear
I just found out iam related to the days and Roberts my 2 or great father father was William Roberts and Mary day also I have lots info on the Irish side of the Roberts as I was born here and lots photo and there few Roberts still alive over here
I have only received my great father marriage certificate and thought lot or Nathan was my 2nd great father I was wrong it was Thomas but there another Thomas but that son of lot Roberts.
if anyone want to exchange information with me as I live in Ireland and can trace the Roberts over here I have gene account and ancestry one as well please get in touch we chat more
in the 1861 census its say that William Roberts is from run and in the 1871 census it says he from Jefferson in Pembroke but I have on a parish record in mid Ireland must stay there until he went over to Wales I will have look to see if parent are buried in Ireland but some record was destroy in fire have to find out what parishes he came from
I am willing to share any information with anyone I am hoping to come to Wales in May or June depending on work and weather and love to see where to Roberts are in Wales and the day family also if there days family over there and the graves I willing bring all my information with me, I wondering is any on the famers they were on in the census still surviving now I love to see Wales again I have some distance cousin there and love meet and welsh family from the Roberts and days side
Miles
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hello again
also to let everyone know william roberts was irish and try to find his parents grave i found out what parent where called and from they where framers in mid ierland in the 1800s and trying to locate the fram and see what looks like now if anyone want the infomaiton i gather i willing to share it and hope if there family of my in wales like to share infomation with me i would so greatful.
William roberts first Ann jenkins might be welsh not irish as cannot find any link other here to here alos i beleave he might left because of the ireland potatoes 1840 because farming
also rob day only just found out mary day is my 2nd great father mother i love to know more on the days as i have family over here might days live here now.
thank you again miles
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Hi Miles - I have Lot Roberts in my tree - but very distant cnnection.
Can you tell us where William Roberts was born in Ireland?
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hello crunwere i belave he born about or near dublin i think near banagher i found an old grave about 2 years ago of david roberts born 1770 and wife jane as i have intrested in local history i have check it out if its wiliam father i have go there when weather a bit better as its not chuch when wet also it old one.
also you and poke pie have alot infomation i love to have an exchange of picture and cenuse show what i got i hoping that you like to do the same
miles
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Hi Miles,
I am interested in William Roberts who was born in Ireland and lived in Pembrokeshire. His father was David according to his second marriage certificate. I would be interested in any info you have on the family in Ireland before they came to Wales.
Roger Jones
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hello roger,
I saw you asking about william roberts i been trying to locate info on the roberets family, i found most of the graves on the lot roberts, children not found your 2nd greate grandfather nathan roberts or more furher up on the roberts line. i am going to look and wills and take from there.
Also william roberts beleave he working on a farm loveston farm might still there if find any info on the farm might help to go back further on his tree and luck on your tree yet more info
many thanks damian healey