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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: marcie dean on Friday 04 February 11 15:22 GMT (UK)
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On Genes there is someone named Mark Stevens who was matched with me as he has a relative named Hamilton Brown born 1870, whose father is James Brown and mother is Louisa De Shazo. Hamilton was born in Kilsyth. but although I have looked on SP I have not found a marriage for them. There is a James Brown married to a Louisa McIntyre. I have not yet checked the IGI or Family Search or Ancestry. But I feel I will need some help on this. I have however left a message for him to contact me if he has any more details. His tree is over 42k and will not open to view due to its size, or maybe my OH computer just took one look and decided it did not have enough mips to cope with it.
I am going back to GR to see if I have had an answer.
marcie
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No such luck. no messages from him as yet.
My Hamilton Brown 1870's father is John Brown and margaret scott.
John is a merchant seaman and margaret when they were getting married was resident at 37 Seabray? in Leith not sure exactly where that is, is it lock side near the canal or nr the dock?
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There is onlyone birth in Kilsyth for a Hamilton Brown in 1870, birth 24th November, 1870. Index no. C 11483-3 Scotland ODM Source Film no. 6035516.
Parents are: Alexander Brown and Maggie Henderson Lawson.
So I am wondering if his information is correct, or if he was born somewhere else, and whether they are related to my Brown Family in Leith.
I have a copy of Alexander and Maggies marriage cert which I will try and upload onto here.
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Hi Marcie
Just a mention on GR and their hot "tree matches".... Did the details by the other GR member with a Hamilton Brown match yours in terms of birth place. When I was a GR member, I used to get lots of irrelevant tree match emails, same names but completely different places of birth....and therefore, absolutely no connection to my names :-\
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I would say that this happens a lot. But until you ask the question, you do know if there is a connection. But I take your point.
I did not find a Hamilton Brown 1870 with the parents he quoted, but I did find a Hamilton Brown with parents Alexander Brown and Maggie Lawson and Alexander Browns father was also Hamilton Brown.
I checked and could not find the parents he had of their Hamilton Brown ever having existed or married in Kilsyth.
The Alexander Brown I found was a Coal Master and so was his father.
So I wondered if this was a coal merchant or the master/manager of a coal pit?
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I don't rely on hot matches on GR, I do searches of names and locations and then contact any matches.
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Hi sancti,
Usually I contact them to find out if they are within the same ball park as me, check the information that they hold. then go to sp and see for myself, if i have the credits to do so.
what annoys me most, are those people who you get an instinct for that they do have connections to your tree and family who do not answer. I have had one or two of those. The guy who has Hamilton Brown left a message for me today, to say he is busy with a court case, so either he is a solicitor or barrister or he is the offender. Perhaps he could the judge.
Although this Hamilton is in Stirlingshire, with his father being a James, I have one or two James Browns who are not married or with children on my tree because I have not managed to find information about them which is why I have to check before committing them to my tree. One of those loose ends.
Marcie
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1871 census has this
Alexander Brown 35 born: Kilsyth, Stirlingsh Occupation: Coal Master
Maggie Brown 24
Agnes Brown 2
Hamilton Brown 5 MO son born: Kilsyth, Stirlingsh
Jessie Wright 30
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1871 has this strange transcription
Hamilton Hamilton Brown 59 born Kilsyth
Janet Jane Brown 57
John John Brown 17
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Marcie according to the census records your Hamilton Brown was born c1853
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This Mark, stated that his Hamilton Browns' 1870 father was James Brown married to a Louisa de Shazo. I checked sp making sure to state Kilsyth rather than Leith and only one James came up as father married to a Louisa but her surname was I believe (McIntyre) ???
I tried Family Searchon IGI no matches. I suppose what I could do is go back and go for all areas to see what turns up in Stirlingshire.
marjorie
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The only other ones that turned up were Alexander Brown married to Maggie Lawson, son Hamilton Brown 1870 and alexanders' father also Hamilton Brown
And what is a Coal Master?
marcie
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The GR record could be wrong or the parents married outwith Scotland.
Brown is a common name and may be no relation to your Hamilton Brown who was born c1853
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Every male in this family has names a son Hamilton. With one exception
Hamilton Brown married Christina Johnston and their first son was Edward he remarried some 10yrs later to an Isabella Bee and their son was Fred.
Whilst the girls name their sons anything other than Hamilton, preferring to use all the other names in the family and also from their husbands family.
I tried adding them up and there are over 17 Hamiltons over the decades from mid 1700 to 1920
marcie
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No such luck. no messages from him as yet.
My Hamilton Brown 1870's father is John Brown and margaret scott.
John is a merchant seaman and margaret when they were getting married was resident at 37 Seabray? in Leith not sure exactly where that is, is it lock side near the canal or nr the dock?
Hello Marcie, My Great grandmother Mary was a sister of your Margaret Scott, she was the daughter of John or William Scott and Margaret Anderson. There was a birth in 1855 for Margaret which tells you how many children she had etc. Mary Scott married Thomas Anderson a butcher and they stayed in Edinburgh.
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No such luck. no messages from him as yet.
My Hamilton Brown 1870's father is John Brown and margaret scott.
John is a merchant seaman and margaret when they were getting married was resident at 37 Seabray? in Leith not sure exactly where that is, is it lock side near the canal or nr the dock?
Hello Marcie, My Great grandmother Mary was a sister of your Margaret Scott, she was the daughter of John or William Scott and Margaret Anderson. There was a birth in 1855 for Margaret which tells you how many children she had etc. Mary Scott married Thomas Anderson a butcher and they stayed in Edinburgh.
Just got my files out. Ann Nelson Brown born 29th Sept 1855, Tabernacle Entry, Yardheads Leith, father John Brown Seaman, aged 33 years, mother Margaret Scott, aged 34 years, her fifth child, 2 boys alive, 1 boy and 1 girl dead. Married 22nd September 1846 in Leith. Hope this checks out.
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No such luck. no messages from him as yet.
My Hamilton Brown 1870's father is John Brown and margaret scott.
John is a merchant seaman and margaret when they were getting married was resident at 37 Seabray? in Leith not sure exactly where that is, is it lock side near the canal or nr the dock?
Hello Marcie, My Great grandmother Mary was a sister of your Margaret Scott, she was the daughter of John or William Scott and Margaret Anderson. There was a birth in 1855 for Margaret which tells you how many children she had etc. Mary Scott married Thomas Anderson a butcher and they stayed in Edinburgh.
Leith is now part of Edinburgh.
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trying to work out what relationship that makes us. Have to say that my gt grtgrandparents were Robert and Agnes Brown. sorry for taking so long to reply. ive not been well
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trying to work out what relationship that makes us. Have to say that my gt grtgrandparents were Robert and Agnes Brown. sorry for taking so long to reply. ive not been well
Are Robert and Agnes Brown parents of Margaret Scott's husband? Sorry Can't remember his name. It must be cousins of sorts. If Margaret and Mary were sisters. What relationship was Margaret to you?
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I only posted that reply this evening. I'm off on a fortnights holiday at the end of this week. So will be out of contact for a while. I've one or two copies of certificates. Let me know what you have.
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I have Roberts marriage cert to Agnesand the births of all their children I have the marriage of Margaret Duncan to Hamilton Brown and their children and themarriage of John Brown and Margaret Scott, what I do not have are all the birth certs for their children or death certs for the pair, if you can help with this I would appreciate it and if i can ever return the favour i would be only to pleased to do so, thankyou. it seems to me that every male in the family who has a son calls one of them Hamilton
marcie dean,
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JUst thought are you tracing the brown family as well as the scott family if so would you like allan browns email to talk directly to him. ill ask firstjust to be polite he is my third cousin,ifhe agrees will pm you.
md
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Hello Marcie
I am only tracing the Scott family tree and came across a Hamilton Brown being a son of Margaret Scott. It is much easier when you latch onto an unusual name. In the Edinburgh telephone directory of two years ago there was a Hamilton Brown in Leith but I see they have discontinued using first names. So I typed in HB into the internet and came up with your enquiry.
The real reason for trying that line is I can't find a birth for Mary Scott, Margaret's sister, anywhere and began to think she was the illegitmate daughter of Margaret. Their mother, also Margaret, would have been quite old when she gave birth. Have you looked at that line yet? I have some information about their parents. Mary's birth varies as between 1837 and 1843 depending on whether you believe her marriage or death certificate. She got married a few days before giving birth to a son but this lad is not the eldest in the family. I think either they were, heaven forbid, living in sin or the older boys have a different mother. I cannot find the births of the older two boys either.
I only have the birth certificate for Ann Nelson I think. What happened to her?
Kind regards
Irene
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would you like to visit my tree on ancestry? might help clear things. ru sure that mary was a scott and did not come under another name or born outside
edinburgh. ill see what i can find on census just before margaret married john brown.
marjorie
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I will contact you when I get back from holiday. I've tried lots of permutations. Even one where a child was born to Margaret in East Lothian. I've got the right person as I've quite a few original certificates.
It is nearly a year since I last did any research so I'm a bit woolly about it all. Do you have Margaret in 1841 census?
Will be out of contact for two weeks. I might just take the paperwork with me and read it over again.
Have you researched any of the other ancestors on the tree.
Irene
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ill take a look on sp timeline and lrt you know
Marjorie
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Well, didn't take any paperwork with me as couldn't get another thing in the car, nor could I access your reply on my old mobile phone. I must get into Register House in the next two weeks.
Looking at your family tree might help. I do not subscribe to Ancestry.com though. Have you found out anything else? Do you know the names of Margaret's other siblings?
Irene
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Adding a snippet with another connection to Kilsyth .......
It appears there was another Hamilton Brown, born c1856 in Kilsyth, died 5th August 1905.
This Hamilton Brown (of Garrel House, Kilsyth), was the husband of Jane Cullen.
It was the name which rang a bell with me - I posted a photo a few years ago on the Scottish War Graves Project as one of his sons (John) was killed in WW1. I was never able to identify John on CWGC.
See: (Page 3) http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=511&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=kilsyth+cemetery&start=30&mforum=scottishwargraves
Sorry about the huge long link!
I found Hamilton's death date details here: (Kilsyth Cemetery) http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/
Anne
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Just on the off chance... I see your surname is Anderson. Are you related to any from Fountainbridge, Edinburgh? I have them in my tree from 1871 as living in Ponton Street area?
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Hi Irene,
Not that I know of, but in saying that, Anderson is nearly as common a surname as Brown!
Anne
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Hello Anne
It was worth a try! I'm looking for Scotts, Andersons and Russells all from the middle of Edinburgh. Like a needle in a hay stack. They also followed the naming pattern rigidly so doubly difficult.
Irene