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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Amanda_Keeling on Sunday 17 April 05 17:20 BST (UK)
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Just wondering if anyone can help I am new to the site and stumbled across it searching for my family. My family name is Keeling from the longton, meir, fenton area's of stoke on trent - staffordshire and wondered if anyone was able to help.
my fathers name is John Keeling and my grandfather John Henry Keeling. I know my grandma name was violet keeling {maiden name johnson of fenton}My great grandfather was named harold keeling from fenton area , staffordshire. His wifes name edith mary keeling
thanks Amanda Keeling
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Hello Amanda,
do you have any rough dates for your g.g grandfather as I've found a Harold Keeling aged 7 on the 1901 census along with an elder sister Mary Ann and younger brother James in the workhouse in Stoke. What age was your g.g grandfather when he died, this may help pinpoint if this Harold is the same person. There are no other Harold Keelings in the Stoke on Trent area in 1901.
Regards
Bri
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thanks sorry can only get on the internet at certain times so takes me a while to respond. Im not too sure of the dates but i am goint to sit down with my dad and get as much info off him as possible, so i will let you know. Thanks so much for taking the time to look up the details for me.
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hi Bri,
that is deffinitly my g.grandfather spoke to dad and he has gave me more info. Harold keeling died in 1955, he did have a sister called mary ann they didn't know of a brother but it is possible. I have also found out that Harold's wife was Edith Mary ( G Grandma) Harrolds sister Mary Ann we think her married name was Mary Ann Goldstraw. Sorry we do not have any dates for her. Also we have no knowledge of any details of family further back i.e harolds parents names. If possible please could you do me a search on the census.
I do know that my grand father John Henry Keeling was around born 1920. I await to hear from you.
so excited
thanks
again ;D
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Hi Amanda,
I have had a look at the Census data Bri had found. Unfortunately, the 3 children are the only ones bearing the surname Keeling in the workhouse. There is Mary Ann age 10, birthplace not known, Harold age 7 born Stoke and James age 4 born Stoke.
On http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
there is a birth for a Mary Ann Keeling registered in 1891 March quarter in Stoke on Trent district. The reference is Volume 6b page 197. There is a also a birth for Harold in the same district, September 1894 quarter, ref. 6b 203. And a James Adam who would fit the age March quarter 1897, 6b 191.
If you order a birth certificate for one of the children, you would get the parents' names. But first I'm off checking if I can find Mary Ann on the 1891 Census.
Tanja
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On 1891 Census, this looks like the only possible match:
Stoke upon Trent at 44 Abbey Road:
Sampson Goldstraw, head, married, 25, Coal Miner born Staffordshire Leek
Elizabeth (or Ruth?) Keeling, housekeeper, married, 29, b. Staffordshire Burslem
Thomas Keeling, children of housekeeper, 9, scholar, born Staffs Hanley
Francis Keeling, do, 2, born Hanley
Mary Ann, do, 4 mths born Hanley
RG12/2166 ED 6 Folio 123 p. 7
Strange they are both married but none of the partners are there...
Cheers
Tanja
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thanks for this, more information than we have ever had on the family.
spoke to my dad again. possibility (just a thought) can you see if sampson had any sisters called Edith Mary as if so seems as though Edith then married harold keeling.
also is thomas, francis, and mary ann brothers and sisters born of just elizabeth n or sampson. Sorry really excited.
thanks
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This death could explain why the children were in the workhouse
Keeling, Ruth
Age 37
Quarter: December
Year: 1898
District: Stoke upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 134
Nicky
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does it state what she may have died of? or any other info that could help me trace my tree
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Hi again Amanda.
Sorry, I have no idea whether Sampson had any siblings. (Though it doesn't seem to me they would be the same generation as your ggfather, would they?)
I have transcribed the household from the 1891 Census and there are just the people I mentioned. Couldn't find Sampson on the 1901 Census either. You may want to check the www.familysearch.org site where the 1881 census is free to search whether you can spot him.
To know whose children Thomas etc. were exactly, only their birth certificate would tell (perhaps! - and they cost 7 Pounds). Please do try and ask your dad anything he remembers though, especially names and (at least approximative) dates before you head into your search. Mary Ann is a very common name after all, and there are quite many Keelings around too, so you might just as well be following a wrong line. It might be worth to check the GRO index for the generations you know for sure and work backwards. For instance: do you know how old Harold was exactly when he died in 1955 etc.
Good hunting
Tanja
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thanks will do, im gonna see dad tomorrow to find out more.
thanks
again
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Sorry no it doesnt say what she died of, only the certificate would do that.
Nicky
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Amanda - do you know the Staffordshire BMD site? They have quite a lot of data you wouldn't find on FreeBms. Definitely worth a search : www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk
Cheers
Tanja
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Also named in the workhouse of 1901 is a:
William Keeling-51 years-widow.
Is this the father of Harold etc?
Interesting isn't it. :)
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Sorry I hadn't seen him - he's not on the same page as children. He is down as a 'Potter's Placer Earth' and born Stoke.
There is a likely match in 1891 as follows:
9 Gold Street Stoke upon Trent
William Keeling, lodger, single, 41, Potter's Placer Earth, b. Stoke on Trent
Head of household is Ann Hulme, a 70-year old widow and there are around 10 lodgers in the house.
RG12/2182 ED 14 Fol 57 p. 2
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Hi Amanda,
Look what I have found on 1837online:
Dec 1955 quarter, reg. district Stoke, death of Harold Keeling age 61
Ref. 9b 604
If he is your ggfather then the age (birth in 1894) would match perfectly with the boy in the workhouse!
Tanja
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thanks for the help. it is possible that my g.granddad Harold mother would have been Elizabeth/Ruth born1862 and his father William Keeling Born c1850. As this ties in with the family history we have.
The name william was also passed down through the generations. Is it possible that some one can do a bit more digging for me, for there parents.
Have a feeling that Elizabeth had
Thomas, Francis, Mary Ann and then went on to have Harrold (g.gfather) and James.
Also Elizabeth may have died when in birth with James ( she died year he was born) also need to find what quarter of 1898 James was born so that I can establish this.
Hope you can help
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Just a word to say I looked at the 1891 image again and I now tend to think her name was Ruth. Would be nice to have anyone else's thought on it. As for James, the only one I had found on Freebmd (but then again FreeBMD is not complete) was born Mar quarter of 1897.
As long as you haven't found any marriage for a William Keeling to a Ruth (I haven't found any) you won't be able to trace Ruth previously unless you order a birth certificate for one of the children where you will find the mother's maiden name.
Good luck anyway
Tanja
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Hi Tati / Amanda :D
Have looked at 1891 census and would say RUTH.
Susan