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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Suzy W on Thursday 03 February 11 23:02 GMT (UK)
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I may of posted about Sarah Agnes Wilson Keyland before, maybe a new set of eyes will help. I am stuck with her arrival to New Zealand.
Sarah was born abt 1864, her family moved to Durham England from Ireland.
On her recorded death with Christchurch Cemetery search it states Sarah lived in New Zealand for 65 years, that is making her about 15 years old when she came here.
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?surname=Fleet&firstname=&year1=&year2=
Find my past has no shipping records for Sarah for 1879 period or any other Keylands.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy,
Are you aware that there is a NZSG Pedigree Collection for:
Name
KEYLAND Sarah Agnes
Place IRL
Date 1863c (Birth)
Pedigree Reference
PED247779
There seems to be another certificate with the First Families Collection, Reference FAMF00189 (under Sarah Wilson Keyland)
Sorry if this has been repeated before.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Suzy,
There is a Sarah A Wilson,could this be her?
Name: Sarah A Wilson
Event: Passenger
Event Date: 13 Jan 1884
Event Place: New Zealand
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Marital Status:
Origin: Dougal
Occupation: General Servant
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Shipping Company:
Ship : Waitangi
Ship's Departure Port:
Departure Port:
Departure Date: 25 Oct 1883
Ship's Arrival Port:
Arrival Port: Canterbury
Arrival Date: 13 Jan 1884
There is a Catherine Wilson with her
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bnz/
Cheers Janette
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I wonder if they missed of the Keyland. Where is Dougal? Her family lived in Durham after Ireland.
I thought she was born in Ireland myself, but the death record states Durham. I have a feeling the family moved a couple of times back and forth from Ireland and England, so someone got it wrong at time of death.
Suzy W
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Oh 13th of Jan 1884, she may of cut it very fine there with her marriage of 12th May 1884.
Suzy W
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I wonder if they missed of the Keyland. Where is Dougal? Her family lived in Durham after Ireland.
I thought she was born in Ireland myself, but the death record states Durham. I have a feeling the family moved a couple of times back and forth from Ireland and England, so someone got it wrong at time of death.
Suzy W
The ships manifest stated Donegal
Cheers Janette
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Hi Suzy,
I wonder if requesting the "Intention To Marry" may help,you have the date and place of marriage for a look up.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,347615.0.html
Cheers Janette
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That is a good idea ;). Will have to post for someone to have a look for me.
Do not think it was the Sarah A Wilson you said about, there were no sisters or other family members with the name of Catherine.
Irish families are just the pits for finding details.
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy
I'm pretty new to this, so please bear with me.
I've been researching the Keyland family from Durham/Co Antrim too but through Sarah's brother, John Keyland.
From what I've gathered, Sarah and James Keyland moved from Co Antrim to Durham.
On the 1861 England census, there is a record, in Durham, for Sarah, James and 10mth old baby Daniel.
The two older children (John and Rose) are not in Durham with them. Unfortunately there was a transcription error and it appears as "Heyland".
I presumed Sarah & James returned to Ireland to collect the older children around 1864 and that was when Sarah was born.
As you know, the whole family were in Durham in 1871 but then disappear from the 1881 census,
I have found John Keyland (under the spelling Kyland) at Chatham barracks in 1881, as a soldier but I can't find any of the others.
John then went to Egypt, aboard the HMS Monarch (there was some uprising at the time).
It appears he married a local woman, called Rachel Golubzow and they returned to Spennymoor, Durham. (There first child, John Jrs was born there in 1884)
The elder sister, Rose, marries in Durham in 1881 but I can't find her on the census for that year either.
It makes me wonder if they just weren't away from home at census time, as other than John, they all disappear.
I have a query of my own, the HMS Monarch was docked at Port Said, Egypt, at the time John Keyland married Rachel Golubzow.
They returned to England and had a few children.
John then got remarried to a Mary-Ann Harrison in 1887 and states he's a widower. I presumed Rachel had died but I couldn't find a death on the registers.
I've recently found 2 entries in the passenger lists, for Mrs R Keyland, in 1910 and 1920, travelling from Port Said to England.
As its quite a rare name and not only is the initial correct but she's travelling from the place Rachel was born, it seems more than a coincidence.
It seems odd that Johns trips abroad where also at the time Sarah was on her travels.
I wondered if there was any connection
Dawn
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Welcome to rootschat. You will find plenty here.
John was a Royal Marine stationed in Egypt He married Rachel Golubjoz aboard his ship H.M. Monarch in Port Said. They came back to Spennymoor Co Durham. Rachel and John had four children none of them survived. John married Mary Ann Harrison in 1887. I cannot find a death certificate for Rachel.
James Keyland married Sarah Wilson in 1856, Antrim, Irleand. I am certain the father of James is a William Keyland born about 1811, he married a Elizabeth? As per census below
8 BALLYMACREVAN TOWNLAND , Ballinderry County Antrim (1851 Census)
WILLIAM KEYLAND, HEAD, M, 40, FARMER, County Antrim,
ELIZABETH KEYLAND, WIFE, M, 36, NONE, County Antrim,
DANIEL KEYLAND, BROTHER, U, 50, FARMER, County Antrim,
ANN KEYLAND, DAUGHTER, U, 8, NONE, County Antrim,
ELIZABETH KEYLAND, DAUGHTER, U, 6, NONE, County Antrim,
JOHN KELLY, Servant, U, 30, PLOUGHMAN, County Antrim,
MARY TIPPING, Servant, U, 26, House Servant, County Antrim,
JOHN HEANEY, Servant, U, 14, COW BOY, County Antrim,
Yes you are right the family disappear during the 1881 census. Maybe a trip back to Ireland over that period? It seems as if most of the men of the family were coal miners. Durham was known for it's mining.
I still can not find out why on earth Sarah Keyland traveled all the way to New Zealand at the age of 15.
Cheers
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy,
Just speculating, but with the transcriptions of shipping that I have transcribed, some young ladies, travelled with families with children and was nursemaid to the children on the journey out.
Cheers
KHP
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Good thought there KHP. I have tried looking at shipping lists but nothing has come to light at this time, unless she landed in Wellington or Auckland not Lyttelton?
Suzy W
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From memory, sometimes nursemaids or governesses their names weren't mentioned when travelling with a family e.g.
Mr & Mrs Blah, 4 children and nursemaid.
Which is a pity, as that doesn't help genealogists to find their ancestor. Don't forget that the clerk at the time, wrote the name down how it sounded to his ear.
Cheers
KHP
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Well that may explain a bit then.
Her ITM has her as being in Rangiora only 17 days, but I guess that does not mean anything apart from that she went to live near her intended husband. Then again he was only there 3 days?
Will stroll over the U.K census again today to find anymore clues.
Cheers
Suzy W
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Gemini63. I have found James Keyland and his wife Sarah living in England during the 1861 Census.
The home address is 24 George Street, Whitworth, Durham. Their first son Daniel was nine months old at the time, he later died, and another son Daniel was named after him.
James is working as a Pittman, I presume this a job in the coal mines.
So looks as if the family settled in England sooner than what I thought.
There also seems to be a number of Keylands that have moved to Canada and the U.S.A from Ireland
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy,
It seems like the Irish populated most of the world following the potato famine - although they were at it before too.
Sarah & James possibly came to Durham to set up home, find work etc, before collecting the other children. Of course, baby Daniel would need to be with his Mum.
Durham, at that time would have had plenty of work in the mines and low cost housing.
As I said, Sarah Agnes could have been born on the trip back to collect the older children.
Regarding John Keylands 1st wife, I had presumed she'd died in childbirth but couldn't find a record of her death but when I found the passenger lists for Mrs R Keyland travelling between Port Said and England in 1910 & 1920, it made me wonder.
Maybe she left and returned home to Egypt.
I'm researching my husbands tree, he's the "Keyland". He comes via Johns eldest surviving son, Joseph.
Thanks for the information, re: William Keyland, I had wondered if there was a link.
There's also a James, aged 53 - (living with his mother, Mary aged 99) in the same area, in 1851. Mary would have been too old to be the mother of William and Daniel, though she could have been the Grandmother, making James the uncle.
Irish families are such a problem.
Dawn
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As you will see the census says Mary is the mother of James
11 BALLYMACREVAN TOWNLAND , Ballinderry County Antrim (1851)
JAMES KEYLAND, HEAD, U, 53, FARMER, County Antrim,
MARY KEYLAND, MOTHER, W, 99, NONE, County Antrim,
HUGH ILLEGIBLE, Servant, M, 0, PLOUGHMAN, County Antrim,
ROBERT ILLEGIBLE, Servant, M, 30, Servant, County Antrim,
HENRY MCCAMLEY, Servant, U, 18, COW BOY, County Antrim,
CATHERINE MCMANUS, Servant, U, 18, House Servant, County Antrim,
Not too certain who James married but he had a daughter named Sarah abt 1829.
Possible brothers to James and William are Daniel abt 1801, and Charles abt 1800. Daniel seems to be a name that is carried down to other family members.
William Keyland married Elizabeth?
Possible children.
Sarah
Helena
Henry married Jane Money (children Elizabeth 1857, James 1864 William Henry 1870)
Charles
William abt 1830
Ann abt 1843
Elizabeth abt 1845
and our James who married Sarah Wilson.
I know what you mean about Irish families ::)
Suzy W
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hi
Sarah Keyland may be hard to find as to when she arrived because my auntie has said she traveled on someone elses ticket. Also the possible reason for her coming was that Sarah and Ellen Jane McCrory the wife of Joseph Hickland
were friends
fleete
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I may of posted about Sarah Agnes Wilson Keyland before, maybe a new set of eyes will help. I am stuck with her arrival to New Zealand.
Sarah was born abt 1864, her family moved to Durham England from Ireland.
On her recorded death with Christchurch Cemetery search it states Sarah lived in New Zealand for 65 years, that is making her about 15 years old when she came here.
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?surname=Fleet&firstname=&year1=&year2=
Find my past has no shipping records for Sarah for 1879 period or any other Keylands.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Suzy W
Hi - I haven't been on Rootschat for a long time. My maiden name was Keyland and my father's name was Joseph. His father was James Keyland. There were two families - the first family's name was spelled differently - Keelan or something like that - there were five children I think. I believe they lived for a time in Scotland. James' wife died and he married Jane McKeown. Then there were four other children. There was a farm in Toomebridge, Co. Antrim. Is this the same Keyland?? Keyland is a rare name - I'm wondering if it is the same clan?
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I have much more info on the Keyland family now, sadly I can not see where these other people may fit into this branch.
There was a James Keyland who married a Scottish lady and moved to Canada. But he would not be your family member.
Let me take some time to have another look, I have been down ill and not able to look at the computer without getting dizzy :-[
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I have much more info on the Keyland family now, sadly I can not see where these other people may fit into this branch.
There was a James Keyland who married a Scottish lady and moved to Canada. But he would not be your family member.
Let me take some time to have another look, I have been down ill and not able to look at the computer without getting dizzy :-[
Hope you feel better soon!
:)
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Hi again
I am wondering if your line came from William Keyland born abt 1811 in Atrium?
William had a son named Henry who married Jane Money, they had a son named James born 1864, from there I lose him.
All the other James Keylands I have on my tree are accounted for and sadly no names match yours.
You can send me a personal message if you like.
Suzy W