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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: chiplassie on Thursday 03 February 11 22:40 GMT (UK)
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Are Whaplode and Whaplode Drove two different parishes or the same one?
CL
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I think the word drove means a road used to drive cattle, so presumably
Whaplode Drove was a cattle road originally. I`ve just looked it up as I always thought a drove meant a fen.But I was wrong.
I have maps of Lincolnshire from when I went to Pinchbeck Fen in search of family graves and Church records there.I can`t get at them now but will try tomorrow if possible.Have you tried googling it?
Viktoria.
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Yes I have Viktoria, but that has turned up differing information. Just thought someone could shed some light on whether one was a town and the other a church parish, or if they are used interchangeably. Genuki has Whaplode as a parish and then mentions Whaplode Drove as well.
Thank you,
CL
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According to Genuki, Whaplode Drove became an ecclesiastical parish on 15 August 1902.
However Lincolnshire Archives claim to have registers for Whaplode Drove from a much earlier date.
http://tinyurl.com/6ctyv2n
and scroll down
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Waplode is between Moulton & Holbeach on the A17, Waplode Drove is nearer to Gedney Hill off the B1166 Crowland to Gedney Hill road in Wisbech direction and quite a way from Waplode. In between these is Waplode St Catherine. Waplode & Waplode Drove both have their own Churches.
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Also from Genuki - "Whaplode Drove was both a hamlet and an ecclesiastical chapelry in the parish (of Whaplode)."
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I think I'll have to visit and sort this one out. Thank you for the responses.
CL ;)
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A "carr" is an old Norse word for fen. Things get very complicated when a place is referred to as "Carr Fen". Another term you will meet in this area is Gote, meaning a water channel. It has two other forms; it is a gowt in the Boston area, and has become a gyte by the time it reaches South Yorkshire.
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Hi, we stay in the area each year when we do a Meccano exhibition at Moulton windmill!!
I have the Lincs marriage index 1700 -1837 vol 1 which includes Whaplode & Whaplode Drove in East Elloe Deanery. They are listed as seperate parishes. if you need anything please ask.
Diddy
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Chipladdie, I see you have Smith Lincolnshire in your list. I remember a Rev. Smith was the vicar of the church in Waplode Drove when I used to visit my grandads farm at Gedney Hill in the 1940/50's.
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Yes Keith it is the Smith line I am tracing from Whaplode Drive. I wasn't aware of the vicar. My John Smith was bap 1797 Whaplode Drove, the son of William and Susannah. Smith is such a difficult surname to work on. Thank you for the information.
CL :)
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hi they are different villages in the holbeach area and between whaplode and whaplode drove you have the villages of moulton and moulton chapel. they are least 6 miles apart but i think they both fall under east elloe.whaplode drove is between holbeach and crowland and whaplode is on the main holbeach to spalding road.hope this helps.
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both whaplode and whaplode drove have churches whaplode st catherins does not have a church it is basically one road with a few houses on it. the next village along from whaplode drove is holbeach drove and it did have a chapel that is no longer in use.
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From the map in my copy of Phillimore's Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, the parishes of Whaplode and Whaplode Drove are geographically contiguous, Whaplode Drove is the furthest from the Wash, and is situated on the eastern end of Crowland between that parish and Holbeach; Whaplode itself is on the northern end of Whaplode Drove between Moulton and Holbeach.In shape most of these parishes except Crowland are long and thin with an extension leading down to or near to the coast, whilst Holbeach and Gedney have larger nuclear settlements nearer the coast. Much if not all of the land in this area has been reclaimed from the sea, and I suspect that the larger coastal settlements of Holbeach and Gedney are thus because they may have been originally formed on small patches of higher ground. This long thin strip shape is the norm for Lincolnshire parishes bordering the Wash, but less so for the parishes in Norfolk. Here I think the problem is erosion rather than accumulation of land.
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I'm new to roots chat, so ignore the mistakes.
I am researching pubs in South Holland district, and notice chipladdies post re. the Whaplodes. I know its from 2011, but did you sort it OK?
The basic bit is to understand there are two sorts of parish: civil parishes are about day-to-day governance and there is usually a parish council to administer local issues, e.g. street lighting in the parish where I live.
Ecclesiastical Parishes are the other sort. They are to do with the Anglican Church and are about how bishops manage the parishes within their diocese.
In the Whaplode example, Whaplode is a civil parish, extending from the Wash, more or less, to the Cambridgeshire border, and the parish council will represent the whole, possibly split into Wards for election purposes]. Within this parish are two ecclesiastical parishes, Whaplode St Catherine and Whaplode Drove. I'm not sure how these are grouped today: I think one of the Whaplodes is grouped with [shares its priest with] one of the Holbeaches, which is divi'd up in a similar way.
If I can master the attachment facility of this site, I'll send a copy of an outline-only map [a 'skeleton' map] of South Holland parishes which clearly shows the long/narrow format of fenland parishes. It originates from the planning department,[so maybe you could get one direct?] and has no copyright issues attached to it.
As for my own research, if anyone has any info, or the golden touch of a photograph, about the Chequers Inn in Tongue End, please let me know.
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The long thin nature of these parishes adjoining the Wash comes about as they have extended toards the sea through the adoption of reclaimed land
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andy14976 -
Don't worry about mastering technology to post the maps.
Use this http://maps.familysearch.org/
Search for one place, and then zoom in as necessary. :)
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Thank you andy for the interesting details. When I posted that question I was trying to sort out which John Smith was mine. Since then I have determinded that he is a completely different one, baptized at St Mary Whaplode 1786 to John Smith and Susannah Watson.
Regards,
CL :)
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To add to the confusion I have virtually no Smiths in my trees. However, my wife's tree contains several different Smith families.
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Does she have any Smiths originating from the Whaplode or St Mary Weston areas of Lincolnshire?
CL
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No; All her Smith's originate in the Doncaster area of South Yorkshire, approx 100 miles to the North west, except one family whose origin is in Scotland.
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In southern Lincolnshire the term "Drove" was a roadway for driving any animals down. but mostly sheep. sheep are the more likley animal, dont need to store so much winter feed and they produce lots of wool year after year'
david.lyon
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Since the topic is Whaplode and Whaplode Drove, I am searching for my 3 x gr-grandfather, John Sadd, born in or about 1816 in Whaplode Drove (according to his burial record and headstone, it would be 1816). His year of birth was garnered from census records, starting with the 1841 census, when he lived in Terrington St John, Norfolk. On his marriage certificate, it states his father's name was Henry Sadd. John married Rosamond Banham in 1837 at St John's church in Terrington.
I have scoured the Internet looking for both he and his father but to no avail. He had two daughters, Ann and Edith (Ede), and these names do not figure into wife's family so I thought one of them may be the name of his mother(??). I do not know of any siblings or relatives. He owned the Woolpack Inn in Terrington and family of his wife had stayed there but no one relating to John.
I'd appreciate any bit of information one may find. I'd love to learn more about him and his family and ancestry.
Many thanks,
Heather Holdgate
Whitby Ontario Canada
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just back from weekend away & babysitting tonight so not home.
will check my CD tomorrow for you,
Diddy
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If anybody has any links with the Coy family who moved from Scredington to Whaplode Fen area and then onto Gosberton, do please let me know.
Searching:
Coy - Cowfield Gould, Gosberton, Lutton, Scredington, Stonesby, Sutton Bridge, Whaplode Fen
Cumberworth
Haresign
Levit
Mackman - Fleet Fen & Gedney Hill
Noble
Pate
Walker