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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Scapaton on Thursday 03 February 11 21:19 GMT (UK)
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Hello .
I have been researching my Gt. Uncle. Ernest G Moody's life in Canada for some considerable time, but have been unsuccessful in establishing where and when he died. I do recall my late parents informing me that he died in Montreal in the late nineteen forties or early nineteen fifties,
Ernest immigrated to Canada on 4th July 1914. He enlisted in the CEF on July 31st 1915. Whilst serving with the 20th Can. Infantry Batt. He was awarded the Military Medal.
I have a copy of his service records.
He returned England on a number of occasions, and finally returned to Canada in 1925-26. and settled in Montreal.
Having spent the last couple of years on this research project. I have now run out of records to check. The number of records checked are too long to list.
I would appreciate your help.
Regards.
Brian.
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Have you tried Lovell's directories?
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/
If he continued to reside in Montreal, those might at least narrow down his date of death and give you an address for him.
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Hello Jorose.
Thank you for your prompt reply, and the information. It is appreciated
No, I have not tried the Lovell's directories, but I will now.
Thank you.
Regards.
Brian.
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Here's a quick search which is faster, just put an "Mo" in search line
http://stevemorse.org/montreal/montreal.html
In 1940 there is an Ern working at Dom (inion?) Glass living at 2283 Wurtele
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/src/1940/6.Annuaire_alphab%E9tique_montr%E9alais/M/Mo/110773_1940_1828.pdf
In 1950 an Ern working at Verdun Machine Shop living same address
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/src/1950/5.Annuaire_alphab%E9tique_montr%E9alais/M/Mo/110773_1950_1423.pdf
works at Patenaude Engineering in 1960 same address ( was also a machine shop)
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/src/1960/6.Annuaire_alphab%E9tique_montr%E9alais/M/Mo/110776_1960_1628.pdf
so for now you can look into the 60's
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This a great site as you can write them with your contact info & request, and if they have it, for a small fee they will give you burial information....
http://www.mountroyalcem.com/products_services/genealogy/index.aspx?lang=en-CA
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Hello Jorose.
I did log on to Lovell directories, but has you will be aware the site records are written in French. Unfortunately when I attended school many years ago, the French language was not on the syllabus, consequently I can't read Frence. It was my intention to contact the site, and ask if they would do me, a look up.
Ever the optimist
Thank you.
Regards
Brian.
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Hello JJ.
Thank you for your reply to my posting.and the information that you have kindly supplied. I will try each site and inform you If I have been successful in locating information pertaining to my Gt. Uncle.
Regards.
Brian.
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to see the actual apartment building as it looks today...put 2283 Rue Wurtele, Montréal into the search
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=2283%20Wurtele%20montreal%20que&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=vl
Then click on the image, and look to your right...It's the tawny brick with white doors! J.J.
also...
Did you know you can access his full military files as well if you are interested...No battle history, but basic details about other aspects of his life in the military, infirmary stay, etc...
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-130-e.html?PHPSESSID=lcqnk63eb38s53m0e5hd0bo1i4#g
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Hello J.J.
Thank you for your last Posting. I have looked at both files, but has it is quite late at this end. I will check them out again tomorrow. I need my beauty sleep :)
also...
Did you know you can access his full military files as well if you are interested...No battle history, but basic details about other aspects of his life in the military, infirmary stay, etc...
I have a copy of Ernest's CEF Service Records. Unfortunately there is no citation has his award was on the New Years Honours List.
Thank you for the information that you have provided. It is appreciated
Regards.
Brian.
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Just making sure as so many people think the 2 CEF attestation papers at signup ARE the records......Good luck with your searches. J.J.
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Just making sure as so many people think the 2 CEF attestation papers at signup ARE the records......Good luck with your searches. J.J.
Hello J.J.
Thank you. I sincerely appreciate the valuable information that you have sent me. I will contact you at a later date, and inform you how I have progressed.
Regards.
Brian.
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Hi Brian...the Lovells Directory is mostly in English actually, it's just the index that's French. Just choose Série Principale and then select the date. Then choose Annuaire alphabetique.
If he was living on Wurtele and working at the Verdun Machine Shop he'd have had quite a commute, about 8 miles each way by bus and streetcar I think the Verdun machine shop was actually in St Lambert south of the river, so he'd have to cross the Jacques-Cartier Bridge.
Cheers,
China
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Hello China.
Thank you for the information. re. Lovell's Directory. I will now retry to negotiate the records.
Using the search program the program that J.J. kindly informed me about, I have established that Ern. Moody was still working at the same company in 1859.
This is where the entries cease.
Thank you.
Regards.
Brian
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I had modified and added 1960 later where I found him to be at the same address...so you need to go on from there...He may have been missed one or two years from the directory...also he may have retired early. Did you write to the Montreal cemetery site?
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If you do contact the Montreal cemeteries, you have to know what religion Ernest was. The Protestant cem is Mount Royal:
http://www.mountroyalcem.com/products_services/genealogy/index.aspx?lang=en-CA
You fill out their form, and they phone you. If you want the record, I think it's $5.
The Catholic cem is
http://www.cimetierenotredamedesneiges.ca/en/
I didn't find Ernest Moody in the Quebec parish records.
Cheers,
China
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Hello J.J.
Having checked the Lovell's Directories. Ern Moody was still working at Patenaude Engineering in 1965. It would seem that this is not my Gt Uncle. Ernest G. Moody.
You will recall that my parents informed me that he died in the late nineteen forties or early nineteen fifties.
I did write to the company that you told me about, but has yet I have not received a reply.
Thank you for the information, and help that you have given me. It is appreciated.
Regards
Brian
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Hello China.
Thank you for the information. re. Lovell's Directory. Following your detailed instructions, I had no problem located the information pertaining to Ern. Moody.
Regards
Brian
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Hello China.
Thank you for the information.
I have already contacted The Mount Royal Commemorative Services. But not as yet received a reply.
It's a pity about the Quebec Parish Records.
Ernest G. certainly takes some finding.
Regards.
Brian.
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If the dates were correct, then unfortunately the family history of him having settled in Montreal was incorrect, unless he used a different forename? I didn't see him in the mid 20's or 30's when he was to have settled there, either, did you locate him in that time period?
Too bad as that is our most extensive directory, and we haven't anything for surrounding areas...... Perhaps more information can be found by asking more questions of aunts & uncles...Place of death, occupation? Tough search otherwise.. Good luck with your searches... J.J.
Just looked at his cef signup and see he was an engine fitter http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=181496
He was also born 1884 ( Worsbrough Bridge, Barnsley, Yorkshire ) so see now that he'd likely not be still working in the 60's. I never thought to look at the signup before for his actual age...
Also could have looked for his entry in 1926 age 40
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/immigration-1925/001012-119.01-e.php?&sisn_id_nbr=667885
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Noted that there is an Ernest Moody in the Catholic Cem...probably our red herring...The directory will find people out in the workforce so perhaps by the time he went to Montreal he was no longer working?
O.k. here's a question, do you know for certain he was single? Children? Might he be using his middle name rather than Ernest? I guess you'd have told us if you knew it....but likely to be George.
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Hello J.J.
I was just logging on to submit a posting, when I received your message.
He was C of E.
I now believe that he was married, but I was not sure when I submitted my original posting. The couple did not have any children.
It's now supper time :)
Will send a posting later.
Regards.
Brian
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well I had found a marriage in Dec Q. 1919, for an Ernest G Moody with the
surname Riden on page but no full name transcribed / Reading district vol.2c p.1089
I know it's quite a distance in U.K. standards...
Moody Ernest Feb. 8 1927
Port of Arrival: St. John Ship: MONTREAL
Page 149 Microfilm reel: T-14849
I did find a lady with 2 children arriving the following year...didn't find a match....but if you know for sure he had no children won't waste more time on that......
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J.J.
That's great. I believe you have located the information that I have been searching for. It would seem that this Ernest G.Moody is my Gt. Uncle.
It is only this week that I discovered that a lady that he must have known in England, immigrated to Canada, to marry Ernest. but I could not find a marriage for them.
Also the Ernest Moody shown has arriving on Feb 8th 1927 is my Gt.Uncle. this is the ship entry that I have been looking for. but the two children do not belong to them. I think they belong to Ernest Charles Moody.
In my prepared post, I did explained that the Canadian Archives had mixed up the records. Re Ernest G. Moody and Ernest Charles Moody. I contacted them and they replied stating that I was correct, and they would alter the records.
I will rewrite my prepared posting before submitting it.
But it will not be tonight. :)
You certainly have not been wasting your time.
Thank You.
Brian.
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Hello JJ.
Ernest G Moody was living at Sault Ste Marie In 1915 when he enlisted in the CEF
He was still living there in 1923.I have found reference to him living in Windsor Ontario in that year, but he must have again returned to Sault Ste.Marie. It would seem that he was again living there in 1932. He returned to England on 3rd July 1925.His occupation is shown has a Machinist
The details on the cef signup are incorrect. Ernest was born in the last quarter of 1882. I can't understand how this mistake occurred. May be, by accident, or intentionally.
.Having contacted the Ontario Archives.
The lady archivist checked the records, but the only entry that she could find for Ernest was in the WWW1 Honours list. No details, Just his name. she kindly entered the details on their web site.
I then tried the Toronto, Pages of the past, but there was no entry for Ernest Moody.
Sorry to say that I have no other information that could help to locate where or when Ernest died.
I changed my mind regarding sending posting.
If there are any mistakes, put it down to lack of sleep ;)
Regards.
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eek...I'm getting confused myself..you're saying they mixed up the files for Ernest & they sent you the wrong person's military files? Also that marriage took place in U.K...so I am really losing the plot here, sorry. J.J.
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J.J.
Sorry about my previous posting. and the confusion it has caused.
I will compose a new posting, and try to explain.
Brian.
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J.J.
There were two Ernest Moody's who immigrated to Canada at this same period in time. Both of them married a Winifred Hammerton. This is were the confusion arises. The children are the family of Ernest Charles Moody .
My Gt. Uncle Ernest G. Moody and his wife, did not have any children.
It is the information in the link that you sent me which is incorrect.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/immigration-1925/001012-119.01-e.php?&sisn_id_nbr=667885
This is the record that I wrote to the archives about. It was Ernest Charles Moody who sailed on this ship. Not Ernest G. Moody.
They agreed that I was correct, and that they would alter the record.
In reference to Ernest G Moody's sign up record. in the second link.
It shows that he was born in 1884, but he was born in 1882. I have not written to the Archives about this. I just mention it, has I thought you may use his age in your searches.
Regards.
Brian