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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Dazzac1965 on Thursday 03 February 11 17:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
During my research of Catlow Colne area I've come to a bit of a dead end.
Mary Catlow b1857/1858 Daughter of Isaac Catlow b 1817 I can't find Marriage records for her. I believed that she married a James Ashworth Delaney b 1858 but some else who is also researching who is related to the Delaney side says not.
We have both come to a dead end on this.
There are many Mary Catlows is various guises (Mary A Catlow, Mary Catlow Mary Alice Catlow.) listed on Ancestry but we can't seem to find much information. The other researcher has found & confirmed that her Mary Alice Catlow is correct. On Mary Alice Catlow wedding cert, it shows her father as a John Catlow.
I have A john Catlow but he is Isaacs father. Is it possible its the same Mary, but on her wedding cert it had John (her grandfather) due to her real fathers absence?
Any help or pointers in the right direction would be most useful.
Any more info needed please ask & I'll try to post it.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi
You have posted on the one name studies board but your message reads as though you are asking for help - is this correct?
If so - this needs to be moved to the Lancashire board
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Hi
You have posted on the one name studies board but your message reads as though you are asking for help - is this correct?
If so - this needs to be moved to the Lancashire board
Sorry yes it is a help request - its been a while since I last used this site ;)
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The IGI Beta website has this entry
16.10.1875 at Barrowford - Mary Ann Catlow 24 to John Rushton 23
Fathers were Isaac Catlow and William Rushton
https://beta.familysearch.org/
I will ask the moderator to move it for you
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There are two possible birth entries for her -
Ap/may/Jun 1858
Burnley
Mary Catlow
Jul/Aug/Sep 1858
Burnley
Mary Ann Catlow
(no trace of a poosible with Alice as middle name)
In 1861 when age 3 I see she is just Mary on the census, not that that means anything
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Mary Catlow b1857/1858 Daughter of Isaac Catlow b
Is this your Mary :)
from http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/tocs.html
Baptism 4th July 1858 at St Bartholomew, Colne
Mary Catlow
parents Isaac Catlow & Mary
Born 25th March 1858
Abode Colne
Fathers occupation Hatter
Baptised by O. Owen
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The 1861 has 2 entries for a Mary Catlow with a father Isaac - the marriage I found above appears to relate to the Mary Ann b Barrowford 1852
Are you researching the Mary b Colne? No birthplaces given in your post
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Plain Mary in 1871
RG10 4157 171 17
(indexed Callow)
parents Isaac and Mary, yes Isaac is a hatter!
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1881
still plain Mary
Still umarried and at home with parents Isaac and MAry
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No problem, Dazzac1965- have moved this thread to Lancashire board for you. That what the moderator's are here for :)
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1891
RG12 3380 139 25
Still at home with now very elderly parents Isaac and Mary, still unmarried (indexed May)
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Just to confuse things - another Mary Ann Catlow was born 1862/3 - father Isaac - she appears to have married in 1886 to Alfred Howarth
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Plain Mary in 1871
RG10 4157 171 17
(indexed Callow)
parents Isaac and Mary, yes Isaac is a hatter!
It look as though we may have the right one lizdb
Isaac's marriage which gives father John :-\
Marriage 12th June 1840 at St Michael and All Angels, Ashton-under-Lyne
Isaac Catlow (X) full age occ Hatter Bachelor of Staly bridge
Mary Pollard (X) full age Spinster of Staly bridge
Groom's Father John Catlow occ Hatter
Bride's Father Henry Pollard occ Hatter
Witnesses Thomas Grimshaw and William Armitage
Married by Banns by John Handforth
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If we have got the right girl ,then she is still unmarried by 1891
Dad Isaac dies:
Jan/Feb/Mar 1899
Isaac Catlow age 82
Burnley 8e 138
would be interesting to see if MAry is the informant on the death cert and if she is still Mary Catlow then, or Mrs X
Cant see Mary, or her mum as widow in 1901. Mum may have died too by then.
(modified to add - there are 2 possible deaths for Mary, the mum, in 1894 - likely one of these is her. So if she died first, and Mary the dtr was close to them as was still at home for the longest, then it could well be that she would be the informant on dads cert in 1899. well, maybe!)
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That 1891 entry also shows a 2yr old Leonard Catlow - not shown as grandson but shown as son - under entry for Mary
I wonder if she was his mother
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I think she married Richard Hendry Hird in 1895
1901 has Richard Hendry Hird 45
Mary 43
Leonard Catlow 12 (indexed as Carlow)
Mary Ellen Hird 5
All b Colne
RG13 Piece 3887 Folio 83 Page 34
Marriages December qtr 1895
Mary Catlow Burnley 8e 332
Richard Hendry Hird
It's on Lancs BMD and was at St Bartholomews in Colne
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Ooh - you just pipped me to the post then!
Just seen the 1901 entry too
Well done - it was that child Leonard that clinched it!
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That 1891 entry also shows a 2yr old Leonard Catlow - not shown as grandson but shown as son - under entry for Mary
I wonder if she was his mother
She married Richard Henry Hird ;D
Banns St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Richard Henry Hird - of 55 Windy Bank
Mary Catlow - of Dye Shop Colne
Banns Read 20th October 1895, 2nd: 27 Oct 1895, 3rd: 3 Nov 1895
Married 13th November 1895
and you beat me too ;D ;D
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WOW!! that was quick work.
OK - Yes she was born In Colne 1858 & her father Issac was a Hatter, mother Mary Pollard
I've got: 1861 Census reside Colne, 1881 un married still living with parents - this does seem to be the most likely person Residence Acrington or 1881 Colne (married to James Ashworth Delaney. Named as Mary A. Delaney.
1901 Census Married to James Ashworth Delaney living in Cheshire?
Hope this is of help
Thank you all very much!!
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Hi
Forget Delaney - see above - she married Richard Hendry Hird
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Thanks!!
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Too be a bit cheeky, Can any one shed some light on Mary Alice Catlow who did marry James Ashworth Delaney? It's her side of the family Father was John & lived in Cheshire Hyde & Accrington area. I'm only asking out of curiosity & to help another person - who I think will be joining very shortly.
Thank Dazzac
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They married in 1879 so have you checked them out on the 1881 census to get her birthyear and birthplace
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Hi,
The 1881 Census has Mary Alice Catlow b abt 1858 hence my confusion. Born in Accrington Lancs.
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James A Delaney, with wife Mary A Delaney (bn Accrington) is on 1881 at
RG11 4144 39 23
(also an Ashworth visitor in the H/H, and a Catlow nephew too)
so the one you have found in 1881 is not the Mary that married John Delaney.
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Hello I am the one the poster is trying to help.
My GG grandmother is Mary Alice Catlow married 1879 to James Ashworth Delaney, on her weddding cert it says her father is John a Blacksmith, but I cannot find anything at all about her before her marriage.
Mary was born in 1858 Accrington area.
I have reached a total dead end, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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1871 has 2 Mary A Catlows of right age bn Accrington
one is with parents and dad is called Doctor Catlow (name not profession) he is a flagger and slater
interestingly next door is an Ashworth family who also have a child called Doctor!
The other is with mum Alice who is now married to Ellis North, she is described as his step daughter, as well as other Catlow siblings.
Interestingly they have an Ashworth lodger!
Now I wonder if Dad, Alice first husband and Mary's father, was John a blacksmith?
Back to 1861 to look!
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Cant see them in 1861, but in 1851 (using the names and ages of the older Catlow step children, Thomas 24 in 1871, James 21, Edward 20) they are at HO107 2250 638 40
and the Dad seems to be Thomas, not a blacksmith
Back to the drawing board
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Hi
A possible birth registration for Mary
September qtr 1857
Catlow Mary Alice
Haslingden 8e 134
ADDED to eliminate this one -
Lancashire BMD has mothers maiden name as Simpson, the only two marriages on LancsBMD for a Catlow/Simpson are 1839 Accrington RD Thomas Catlow and Alice (probably the one lizb has found), the other is 1853 Haslingden RD James Catlow and Mary.
Rosie
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She says she is born in Oswaldtwistle in 1901 :) RG13 3792 f13 p18
Sorry, should have said Welcome to rootschat adlersparker ;D-
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Hi
Could it be this one in 1861
RG09 Piece 3107 F41 P24
John Catlow age 27 occupation Blacksmith bn Haslingden
Betty Wife age 25 occupation Cotton Weaver bn Oswaldtwistle
Mary Daughter age 3 bn Oswaldtwistle
living at Bottom, Oswaldtwistle
ADDED
the three of them are still there in 1871, John is a labourer
RG10 piece 4185 folio 96 page 20
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Thank you so much for looking, I should have mentioned , as it does say this on wedding cert, think its a district around that area, but could never find anymore.
I did look into that Doctor Catlow a few times as i recall but didn't really think it was her.
Now looking at last one by Rosie that looks very interesting, I am going to have to buy credit for 1861 and look more into this one.
Thank you everyone I really do appreciate all your help, i stopped this searching for 6 years due to me hitting a dead end
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Can i ask i dont seem to be able to look up on this site, can you direct me to one for 1861 please. Or am I not looking in the right place?? ???
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Hi
No, sorry you can't look up census on this site.
A***try has it transcribed as Mary A Cattow bn 1858 in 1871 parents John and Betty living Oswaldtwistle. and in 1861 she is transcribed as Mery Catlow bn 1858 parents as before.
Rosie
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Thank you just looked up on that site. Looks like this is the correct person, I also went into death records and found a Betty Catlow died in 1879 above her was a baby Annie 0 months, wondering if she has a baby and died in childbirth, as there is no mention of her when Mary A got married in 1879 to James Ashworth Delaney.
I do hope this is the correct one, I have tried other years, but cannot find anything at moment.
Just wondering if its worth using Elizabeth instead of Betty???
Thanks again for your help
Wendy
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Sorry one more question
How do I use this info : REG10 piece 4185 folio 96 page 20
as I don't seem to be able to find a place to put it in, excuse me as I have not used these sites for so long. ;D
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There is a possible christening on familysearch for Mary Alice
Mary Alice Catlow
Christened 4th October 1857 at Accrington
parents John Catlow and Betty
Betty seems to be constant with her name as such. :-\
there is a possible marriage on freebmd September qtr 1856 Haslingden 8e 175
ANDERTON Jane
CATLOW John
CHATTWOOD Samuel
Reddyhoff Betty
There is a Betty 'Readyhough' bn c1836 Oswaldtwistle on the 1851 census index ???
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Sorry one more question
How do I use this info : REG10 piece 4185 folio 96 page 20
as I don't seem to be able to find a place to put it in, excuse me as I have not used these sites for so long. ;D
If you are using A**try you would be better searching the 1871 census and just putting in Mary A Cattow bn 1858 father John mother Betty
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No luck at all with 1871 census, hit another dead end ???
unfortunately i don't seem to have access to christenings, I will try again later, as I am now going crosseyed ;D
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Lizdb you mentioned that an ASHWORTH visitor appeared on the census return with CATLOW.
I am currently researching the ASHWORTH side of my family and bumped into this thread whilst looking for CATLOWS.
Isaac CATLOW b.1861 (the son of Isaac CATLOW b. 1826 and wife Jane b. 1825) married Phoebe ASHWORTH b. 1860 in Q2, 1881 in Burnley (8E, 352).