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Title: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 10:04 GMT (UK)
Can someone please look up Walter Beaver Jones (a Liverpool journalist b Wales c1873 ) on 1901 census.

In 1907 he was at 88 Sea View Road, Liscard, Wirral. Not sure where he was in 1891 but it would be great if anyone could find him then! - could be Wales, Wirral or even Liverpool. His father was Walter Jones (tanner & Currier deceased prior to 1907)

Thanks

Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 10:10 GMT (UK)
Ages might help. Jones is not an uncommon name!

Anna.  Sorry you have given a birth date.
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 10:17 GMT (UK)
Apologies but that's my issue - I don't have one

His marriage in 1907 gives his age as 34 which is the nearest to a d.o.b. I have

In later Canadian censuses he & his family surnames are Beaver Jones but his father was simply (Walter) Jones. I wondered if his father had married a girl with a surname Beaver but again I haven't been able to trace.


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 10:24 GMT (UK)
Any idea what he did as a living?  I have found a Walter B Jones in 1901 born Barmouth : RG13 3456 126 page 13 living with his widowed sister in law Elizabeth Jones.  He occupation was given as 'Accountant Ches, CoCo'.  He was single at that time.  They were living at Walton on the Hill, Liverpool.

Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 10:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Anna

Yes, he was a journalsit and his father a tanner and courier. I have found a possibilty in West derby, Liverpool in 1881 although father's occupation is different - shipping clerk. This is under RG11 3709/10 Page 14. Father is Walter Jones 60 born Caernarvon and Walter B Jones 9 scholar b Merioneth. Mother is Catherine 48 b Penzance Cornwall.

I can't confirm though that this is him


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 10:33 GMT (UK)
Barmouth is in Merioneth - or what was  Merioneth.  If this is him his age was given as 26 in 1901, which is a bit way out as 34 in 1907.  He might have aged 8 years in 6 years.  If you get my meaning.

Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 10:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks Anna

Ah ha! That 1881 census looks very promising then - I will try to find the marriage between Walter (snr) & Catherine perhaps to help confirm and also that birth. Perhaps Walter (snr) changed occuopation, moved to Liverpol then his som became a journalsit there.



Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 10:56 GMT (UK)
Ah ha! That 1881 census looks very promising then - I will try to find the marriage between Walter (snr) & Catherine perhaps to help confirm and also that birth. Perhaps Walter (snr) changed occuopation, moved to Liverpol then his som became a journalsit there.

RG12 Piece:2996 Folio:33 Page:8     
1891 51 Wrayburn Street, West Derby, Liverpool
JONES, Walter Head Married M 71 1820 House Agent Carnarvon
Catherine Wife Married F 33 1858 Penzance
Walter B Son Single M 20 1871 Clerk Arthoy Merionethshire
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 11:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks

To confirm, I have just found Walter Beaver Jones b June Q 1871 Dolgellau district - thsi isn't far from barmouth at all. Loks like his age oi nmy marraige cert may be slightly out but that isn't unusual! The 1891 census then ties in with 1881 too


Thanks
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 11:14 GMT (UK)
This looks like them in 1871

1871c  RG10 Piece:5689 Folio:90 Page:7 
Tyddin Seffra, Llangelynin, Merioneth
JONES, Walter Head M 48 1823 Caernarvonshire  ? Agent
Cathrine Wife F 36 1835 Cornwall
Augustus Son M 12 1859 Caernarvonshire
Leggie (Lettie?) Daughter F 16 1855 Caernarvonshire 
Cathrine Daughter F 10 1861 New York United States
Louesa M Daughter F 6 1865 Lancashire

Did Walter marry twice - Catherine's age seems to differ although place of birth the same

1891 33
1881 48
1871 36

Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 11:22 GMT (UK)
Hi

Thanks again for this

Not that I know of. Perhaps the census ages are wrong instead - They seem to have moved around a lot - Another daughter born New York!!!



Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 11:25 GMT (UK)
and here they are in 1861

1861c RG09 Piece:4342 Folio:45 Page:7     
Bangor Street, Llanbeblig, Carnarvon

PARRY, Ann Head Unmarried F 46 1815 Confectioner
WILLIAMS, Alice Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 House Servant

JONES, Walter Lodger Married M 38 1823 Hop Salesman Carnarvon
Catherine Wife Married F 29 1832 Hop Salesman Wife Penzance
Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Pwllheli
Augustus Son Unmarried M 4 1857 Children Pweheli
Catherine Daughter Unmarried F 1 1860 New York America B.S.



Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 12:12 GMT (UK)
I shouldn't worry over much about age.  I have one: 1851 aged 43; 1861: 47; 1871 45 and 1881 72!  I know that it is the same person as she was a spinster and living with her sisters.

Anna

All the other Walter Jones that I have found on the 1901 are 'ag. labs' which doesn't quite fit in the professions of the family.  I'm pretty certain that we have the correct one.
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 12:16 GMT (UK)
Thanks

I agree


Thanks for your and everyone elses help



Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 14:25 GMT (UK)
Spanner in the works!! Sorry.

I have just looked at the 1891 for the Jones family who Walter B was living with in 1901.  They have on the 1901 an Elizabeth a widow head of the household, and Walter B is purpotedly her brother not brother in law.   

On the 1891 I looked for the daughter Hilda, who was on the 1901 and there they were with a David Jones as head of the household with the various children matching with the 1901.  There doesn't appear to be a David on the earlier census which Ladyhawk found.  However this David was born in Liverpool, and aged 34 on the 1891 which makes him born in 1867.

Walter is not an accountant but I think an assistant.  Not particularly easy to read.  He was however born in Merioneth.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the 1901 that I found is possibly wrong.  Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 14:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I take back all that I said in the previous message.  His sister is Elizabeth Jones born in Pwllheli.  She must have married a Jones. Jones + Jones.  The 1901 I found IS him  :)   Sorry for the confusion.  An aberation on my part.  Do you have access to the 1901 census.  If not I can PM a copy to you.

Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 15:22 GMT (UK)
I have been looking for him on the 1911.  Did he go to Canada before then?  I have found his marriage in Church Streeton to either Mary Jane Gwillam or Elizabeth Emma Hanson.  If he didn't go to Canada until after 1911 I can use the wife's name as well as his to find them on 1911.

Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 15:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Anna

Walter married Elizabeth Emma Hanson (1879-1979) on 4th Dec 1907 in Ch Stretton.

The family emigrated to Canada initially to Kelowna B.C., then Calgary -  I believe in1912. They were more than likely in Cheshire on the Wirral in 1911.

By that time they had 2 sons, Hugh Beaver Jones b Mar Q 1909 (Birkenhead district) & Geoffrey Beaver Jones b Wallasey district 1911. They seemed to adopt the 'Beaver' part of Walter's name into their surnames. (His father's name was simply Walter Jones). Later newspaper articles confirm that Walter was a Liverpool journalist and subsequently an editor on the Calgary Herald.


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 17:14 GMT (UK)
Anna - you may have already found him born 1872 Barmouth N.Wales occ. Steamship Passenger Agent (middle name transcribed Beavin) wife & two sons with him


Ian -  don't know if the following info. may relate to Walter Jones Snr.

Christenings for

Walter JONES 5/4/1820 Llanbeblig Caernarvon
Rowland Hughes 14/5/1828
Parents William & Jane

1841 Castle Square, Llanbeblig Caernarvonshire
HO107 piece 1394 folio 4/11 page 14

W JONES 45 1796 Agent
Jane 43 1798
WALTER 20 1821 Currier
Ann 20
Owen 18
Hugh 15
Rowland Hghs? 12 1829
Charles 10
Jemima 6
Labina 14
Rachel WILLIMS 18
All born in this county   

1851c
5, Penymaes, Llanbeblig, Carnarvon
HO107 Piece:2516 Folio:233 Page:3 

JONES, William Head Married M 62 1789 Currier Llanerchymedd Anglesey
Jane Wife Married F 60 1791 Llanbeblig
Ann Daughter Unmarried F 29 1822 At Home Llanbeblig Carnarvonshire
Rowland Son Unmarried M 21 1830 Accountant Llanbeblig
Jemima Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 At Home Llanbeblig
Catherine Jones Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 House Servant Llanbeblig

1851 census  High Street, Denio, Pwllheli  Carnarvonshire
HO107 Piece:2513 Folio:296

JONES, Walter Head Unmarried M 30 1821 Currier & Leather Cutter Carnarvon

JONES, Louisa Sister Unmarried F 23 1828 Housekeeper
JONES, Charles Brother Unmarried M 20 1831 Mariner
GRIFFITH, Ann Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 House Servant


 
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 17:49 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I take back all that I said in the previous message.  His sister is Elizabeth Jones born in Pwllheli.  She must have married a Jones. Jones + Jones.  The 1901 I found IS him  :)   


Anna you are correct

Elizabeth Pomroy JONES married 1881 W. Derby David John JONES
They are on the 1881 census, he's born liverpool she's born Pwllheli.
They also gave their son David the middle name of Beaver born 1885
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Thursday 03 February 11 17:56 GMT (UK)
This is excellent!!


Thanks all for your invaluable help



Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 18:05 GMT (UK)
A little more from IGI familybeta

Christenings
Elizabeth Pomroy Jones 8/12/1854 Deneio Caernarvon
Walter William Jones 10/7/1856
Augustus Phillips Jones 27/3/1858
Parents Walter Jones & Catherine Charlotte
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 19:33 GMT (UK)
I have found the family as passengers:  They left Liverpool for Montreal 10 August 1923 with 2 more sons.  The name of the ship was 'Canada'. 

Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 19:55 GMT (UK)
Just in case this may prove relevant in your search

There is a Catherine BEAVER born in Cornwall on 1841 census
Sheviock Village, Sheviock

BEAVER, John M 40 1801 Cornwall
Betsey F 40 1801 Cornwall
Catharine F 10 1831 Cornwall
Elisabeth F 9 1832 Cornwall
John M 6 1835 Cornwall
William M 4 1837 Cornwall
Thomas M 1 1840 Cornwall


Christening from Cornwall OPC http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/
Catherine BEAVER 
Parish of Sheviock Residence Wrinkle
2/05/1830
father John occ. Husbanman
mother Elizabeth

there's also this marriage
26/10/1822 parish of Sheviock
Elizabeth POMEROY
John BABER

 (is it possible this may have been mistranscribed and should read BEAVER)  :-\

The only thing that bothers me is Catherine’s birth place of Penzance Cornwall it’s is a long way from Sheviock a\nd I can’t find her as a BEAVER on 1851 census.

The only way to confirm if Walter Beaver Jones’s mmn was Beaver is to order his birth certificate

Good luck - let us know how you get on I do hope the above info. may be of some use :)


**ADDED**


Ian - looks as if the above info. may NOT be relevant after all - this is why I couldn't find her on 1851 census

Catherine BEAVER burial 3/8/1845 Sherviock age 15 (1830)  :(  :(
father John BEAVER burial 7/6/1842  " age 42 (1800)





Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 20:08 GMT (UK)
Walter is a 'newspaper man' on the passenger list.

Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 03 February 11 20:48 GMT (UK)
May have found marriage IGI familybeta, although it doesn't name Walter's father - it did show Walter's father's name after all ::) - thanks Anna for confirmation

Walter JONES father William

Married 4/8/1853 St. Paul Finsbury London
Catherine Charlotte JOHNSON father Augustus

Catherine Charlotte JOHNSON
4/7/1830 Penzance, Cornwall
father Augustas JOHNSON Sailor mother Mary

This ties in nicely with my post no. 21 re: christening details

1851c 91/2, Thomas Street, Saint John Horsleydown, Southwark
HO107 Piece:1559 Folio:369 Page:56
PHILLIPS, Mary Ann Wife Married F 30 1821 Wife Of A Mariner Penzance
Elizabeth Blaney Daughter F 3 1848 St Johns Surrey
Walter Thos Son M 0 (6 MOS) 1851 St Johns
Catherine Mother Widow F 76 1775 Taibach
JOHNSON, Catherine C Niece Unmarried F 21 1830 Penzance



Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: annaS on Thursday 03 February 11 22:52 GMT (UK)
I have found the marriage to which you refer on the London Marriages: Walter Jones of full age and a carrier from Caernarvon, father William Jones also carrier married Catherine Charlotte Johnson father Augustus a 'mariner'.  This all ties in.  One of the Witnesses is a Phillips.  The writing is atrocious.


Anna
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: wafer on Thursday 16 February 12 14:01 GMT (UK)
Was Walter Beaver Jones related to Hugh beaver Jones (1826) .Hugh was borne in Llanbeblig and moved to London to work for H.M.customs. He was my GGGrand father.Any help will do. Regards Derek.
Title: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Monday 20 February 12 07:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Derek


Havong troule replkying so hope yo uget thsi


Sorry, but i don't think he was as he only moved his middle name of 'Beaver' to part of his surname c1906. He was originally Jones


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 February 12 09:17 GMT (UK)
Ah ha! That 1881 census looks very promising then - I will try to find the marriage between Walter (snr) & Catherine perhaps to help confirm and also that birth.
Perhaps Walter (snr) changed occuopation, moved to Liverpol then his son became a journalsit there.

RG12 Piece:2996 Folio:33 Page:8     
1891 51 Wrayburn Street, West Derby, Liverpool
Walter Jones Head Married M 71 1820 House Agent Carnarvon
Catherine Wife Married F 33 1858 Penzance
Walter B Son Single M 20 1871 Clerk Arthoy Merionethshire

Ian - did you establish if Walter B (Beaver) Jones with parents Walter & Catherine on 1881/1891 census was your Walter?

Was Walter Beaver Jones related to Hugh beaver Jones (1826)
Hugh was borne in Llanbeblig
He was my GGGrand father

Sorry, but i don't think he was as he only moved his middle name of 'Beaver' to part of his surname c1906. He was originally Jones

Hello both

Ian looking back over the thread I'm wondering if Hugh Beaver Jones is the brother of Walter Jones Snr. (1821) occ Currier :-\

Both christened in the same place, both have parents with the same name & there is a
Hugh & Walter Jones together with parents named William & Jane on 1841 census

Walter JONES 5 Apr 1820 Christening  Llanbeblig Caernarvon
Parents William Jones & Jane

Hugh Beaver JONES  25 Jul 1826 LLANBEBLIG,CAERNARVON
Parents William Jones & Jane

1841 Castle Square, Llanbeblig Caernarvonshire
HO107 piece 1394 folio 4/11 page 14

W JONES 45 1796 Agent
Jane 43 1798
WALTER 20 1821 Currier
Ann 20
Owen 18
Hugh 15 (1826)
Rowland Hghs 12 1829
Charles 10
Jemima 6
Labina 14

So possibly a link to your Jones family what do you think?
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 20 February 12 10:13 GMT (UK)
It would appear that Hugh Beaver Jones & Walter Jones are brothers, they married in the same Church & father's name is William
 
St Paul Bunhill Row 4 Aug 1853 by Licence
Walter Jones occ. Currier father William Jones occ Currier
Catherine Charlotte Johnson f Augustus Johnson occ. Mariner
Both full age, all signed their names
Wits Walter Thos Phillips, Catherine  & Richard Williams

St. Paul Bunhill Row 30 July 1851 by Licence
Hugh Beaver Jones occ. Clerk HMC father William Leather Merchant
Elizabeth Williams f Richard Williams occ. Master Mariner
Both full age, all signed their names
Witnesses Walter C L Floyd, Eleanor Roberts, Marianne Black &  John Williams

Here’s Hugh 1861/1881census married to Elizabeth

RG9; Piece: 2686; Folio: 45; Page: 35
Hugh B Jones 34 Caernarvon Examining Officer HM Customs
Elizabeth 39
D J 8
Catharine E 7
Hugh D 4
John H 1 month

RG11; Piece: 3588; Folio: 7; Page: 14 – Cheshire
Hugh B Jones 54 Caernarvon Registra H M Customs
Elizabeth 59  “
Elizabeth I 28 London Middx
Margaret Evans 25

Hugh Beaver Jones died age 73
Sep 1899 Marylebone vol 1a page 393

For info. looks as if there was a double wedding (Elizabeth sister)

St Paul Bunhill  Row 30 Jul 1851
Walter Thomas Phillips widow Custom House Agent Lc f Joseph occ Sail Maker
Eleanor Griffith Williams father Richard Williams Master Mariner
Both full age, all signed
Witness ? Wright, Eleanor Roberts, C Williams, John Williams & Walter C L (F)loyd

Walter Thomas Phillips married after Banns  9 April 1834
Elizabeth Blaney Lark in presence of William Jeffries, B G ?, J ? &
Harriet Blaney

Here’s Eleanor Griffith Phillips nee Williams 1861/1881 census

RG9; Piece: 316; Folio: 5; Page: 3
Walter T Phillips 57 Penzance Cornwall occ Victualler
Elinor G 43 Caenarvon
3 lodgers

RG11; Piece: 716; Folio: 20; Page: 34
Walter Phillips 77 Penzance formely Custom House Agent
Eleanor 68 Caernarvon
Elizabeth Williams  mother in law widow 88
Harold Phillips Nephew 15

Eleanor Griffith Williams 23 Apr 1817 Llanbeblig Caernarvon
Parents Richd Williams & Elizabeth

Eleanor Griffith Phillips died Jan 1897 Wandsworth


Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Monday 20 February 12 11:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much for the info - I need to sit down and look it all over!!!



Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Jackie Gruber on Wednesday 09 January 13 00:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Ian,

I came across a copy of your segment of your Rootschat on the internet regarding Elizabeth Beaver Jones or Elizabeth Ho Lem.  I am writing to you from Calgary where I grew up next door to Elizabeth Ho Lem and from reading the info that you have gathered, this is indeed the same person.  I note that your inquiries are from some time ago but if you still have any questions regarding her or her children perhaps I can fill in some blanks.

Jackie
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Wednesday 09 January 13 07:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Jackie
Thanks very much for the offer of help. Any info at all would be so greatly appreciated. My own email address is i................... if you are happy to send info to that then perhaps I can send you what I have pieced together the m we can match info. In the first instance I am still trying to find out when Elizabeth (known here as Lizzie) married Ho Lem (1948-53?). Also I know that Hugh was killed in 1927 and rhat Walter (Jnr) died in Vancouver in 1977 and was a newspaper editor in Kelowna. Do you know what Jeffrey & Frederick did. I believe that Jeffrey lived in Victoria & Frederick possibly Vancouver - Did they marry? I would also love to know if there are any Beaver Jones around in Calgary too. I also know that three of Elizabeth's brothers came to Canada (named Hanson - her maiden name) but know nothing of them other than one may have worked for CPR in Calgary as a dispatcher. Did they ever visit her i
Regards
Ian (Lambert) 

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Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Jackie Gruber on Wednesday 09 January 13 15:52 GMT (UK)
I will send you. My grandmother and grandfather stood as witness for the Ho Lem's marriage much to the displeasure of both sides of the family.  Walter (Jr) and his wife were definitely not happy about the marriage and basically disowned them. I have the marriage date in my grandmother's records and will email this to you.  I knew Fred and Geoff as they came often to visit.  Fred was in Victoria and Geoff was in Vancouver.  By the time I knew them neither of them were married and my mom cannot recollect if either of them ever married.  I didn't know Walter Jr. but at some point he and his wife owned a B&B somewhere either in England or France but not sure exactly where but definitely in Europe.  Mrs. Ho Lem used to send them money on the side to help get them back to Canada.  She didn't want anyone to know she was doing this but she did tell my grandmother.  I am not sure whether this was before or after they disowned her (LOL).  After Mrs. Ho Lem died (just shy of her 100th birthday) we kept in touch with only Geoff and would visit him in Vancouver.  David Ho Lem (Brownie sp? Ho Lem's son) was always very good to Elizabeth and came and took her out often. I will do some more checking with my family and our records and email you.

Jackie
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Wednesday 09 January 13 16:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Jackie

Wow! Thanks so much and for the quick reply. I was in Vancouver & Calgary in 1982 - If only I had known then what I know now. Walter (jnr) must have come back to Canada permanently at some time - I have a photo of him when he was working at the Kelowna Daily Courier and I think he may have been married to someone called Hazel . Geoffrey (or Jeffrey) died aged 80 in Vancouver in 1991 according to the BC archives BUT I haven't found Frederick as yet!
I look forward to receiving any details you have
Regards
Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ines on Friday 11 January 13 21:41 GMT (UK)
I came across your posts a while ago and thought that Jackie and I should but our heads together and help out if we can.  Like Jackie, I was also next door to Mrs. Holem and we spent time with her when I moved into the neighborhood 1974.  I spoke with Jackie yesterday and have decided to jump in and between the two of us answer some questions for you, this kinda stuff interests the both of us and we love to chat about the good old days.  I was deeply struck to read that you had been in Calgary and Vancouver. Geoff (for us kids in the neighborhood, he was Uncle Geoff) was in Vancouver living on McGill Street, he was a CPA (Chartered Public Account) with a office on E.Hastings Street. I visited and stayed with him in 1983, 1984 and 1986 and keep in touch until his death (cancer) 1991. I have photos and lots of memories of a man who such a dear special person.
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Saturday 12 January 13 13:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Ines

Thanks very much for your offer of further help and info on Geoff. I flew to Calgary then got the train through the Rockies to Vancouver where I stayed on holiday for two weeks. My Dad did his RAF training in Calgary in 1944 (De Winton - he was a pilot) and stayed at the Palliser Hotel.
I now know what happened to Geoff (Does he have any relatives in Vancouver?) - I think he may have been married to a Betty M (died Vancouver 1974). Hugh died in Calgary in a motor cycle accident in 1927, Walter died in Vancouver in 1977 after being knocked down by a bus BUT I don't know much about Frederick  -He may have been married to someone called Aileen. I have also found the death of someone called Patricia Beaver-Jones in 1944 in Calgary who seems likely to have been related.
I also wonder what happened to Elizabeth's eagle feather head-dress that she was given by the Sarcees - I hope someone in the family retained it! I am still looking for details of three of Elizabeth's Hanson brothers who emigrated to Canada.

All the best


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Saturday 12 January 13 14:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Ines

I forgot to mention - if you do have a photo of Geoff, I would love to have a copy if that's o.k. - I only have ones of Walter (Junior) & Elizabeth (in Sarcee eagle feather headdress from 1948 in Liverpool)


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ines on Wednesday 16 January 13 04:33 GMT (UK)
Not sure how to send a photo on this site? Email maybe? 1948-53 sounds close and Jackie is looking to see what she can find out.  Fred was also a CPA and was not well at the time of Geoff's passing.  At the time I knew them, Geoff and Walter were widowed, Fred (Hazel)?  I remember Geoff mentioning Betty as his wife and Aileen (Walter)?.  Walter's wife died in a fire (smoking in bed?)  Geoff had relatives (his wife's family) After his death, I only spoke to someone once when calling and I was not welcomed to call again. Patricia Beaver Jones? 1944? Was she buried in Calgary?  Elizabeth only ever spoke of her boys.  There were no grandchildren.  She spoke of Hugh  "Bonnie or Bunny" often, I did not know his name was Hugh til now.  The Eagle Headdress must have gone to Victoria or Vancouver.  She once held a little ceremony when Jackie and I were teenagers and we were crowned Princesses right there in her little house (which is still there) What I do remember is the photo of a young Elizabeth (late 1800's early 1900's) hair and clothing of that era in a oval wood frame, I thought of how beautiful she was.  That  picture hung in Uncle Geoff's house, often wonder what happened to it.....again I was not received well on that final phone, as I had only just spoken to Geoff and was thinking of him as Christmas was approaching and was told, he died, he was cremated, the house and all contents were taken care of and the house was to be torn down.  He was such a unique person and everyone who met him, loved him, he was so lovable..."a real jolly old chap"
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: IanLambert on Wednesday 16 January 13 08:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Ines

Thanks very much for the further information it is fascinating!. Hugh (Bunny) was killed when his motorcycle hit a truck on East Main Street, Calgary (June 26th 1927). His obituary is in the Calgary Daily Herald of June 30th1927. The family did then have some tragedies as well as good times (Walter was knocked down by a bus and killed on Granville Street, Vancouver in 1977 and now you say his wife had died in a house fire!
I have found three deaths:- Hazel Muriel Beaver Jones (b 1912 and died Vancouver 1974 and buried Kelowna – I though she may have been Walter Junior’s wife? Aileen Beaver Jones died Victoria (1977)  and Betty M  Beaver Jones (died Vancouver 1966) . I don’t know of Patricia other than Calgary Death records, BUT Elizabeth’s obituary again in the Calgary Herald on Jan 31st 1979 states that Elizabeth had two surviving sons (Fred & Geoff), 11 grandchildren & 12 great grand children,were some of these Ho Lems?. She must have lived at 214-27 Avenue N.E. Calgary form say 1964 to 1979? With regard to the photo you could try my own email address which is (*) if you are happy to do that.
Regards Ian

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Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Jackie Gruber on Friday 25 January 13 14:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Ian - found the wedding date you were looking for.  Elizabeth married Ho Lem September 3, 1949. We have a coloured wedding photo if you would like a scanned copy?  I have your email address on the private message board.
Title: Elizabeth & Walter Beaver Jones
Post by: IanLambert on Friday 25 January 13 15:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Jackie

That would be brilliant thanks. I have with the help of the Church Of latter day saints website managed to find out the names of the wives of Walter Jnr (Hazel Muriel Rothwell b Winnipeg 1912 d 1974), Geoff (Betty Marguerite Wilkinson b England 1908 d 1966) and Frederick (Aileen Patricia Grant b Shawinigan Falls, Quebec 1919 d Victoria B.C. 1977)

Many Thanks


Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ines on Monday 28 January 13 03:00 GMT (UK)
I see I had the wives (Hazel/Aileen) names mixed up.  It was only Geoff we knew better.  So it was "Bunny" Do you know why Hugh was called Bunny?  I have not forgotten about the photos I am just looking for one special one that has been misplaced.  I will then have about 4 and will send them soon.
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Ines on Monday 28 January 13 03:12 GMT (UK)
Also you mention grand/great grandchildren, those would be HoLems and she lived at 214 for longer than the dates you mention. She had some family photos that would show life prior to other homes being built around them, like from the 40's and I remember her speaking of "Bunny" and it was like he had died just down the street (main street could have been what we call centre street) I would be curious and might try to find and look at some old city street maps, just to understand where was Main Street back then.  Not sure if someone can look at Land Title records to see who all resided at the address, it's an old house that's for sure.
Title: Elizabeth Ho Lem
Post by: IanLambert on Monday 28 January 13 07:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Ines

Thanks for everything - Do you know which years Elizabeth lived at the address?

I have no idea why Hugh was called Bonny or Bunny I'm afraid .The first I heard of this name was from you and Jackie. His accident was at the intersection of Eighteenth Avenue and Centre Street according to his obituary in the Calgary Daily Herald (does that help with the Main st part?).

Since we last corresponded, I have also found the FULL 'free' death certificates on line at the Royal BC Museum of Walter (Jnr) and Aileen Patricia (nee Grant and Frederick's wife). Over here in England they are quite costly to obtain now and the Canadian one gives much more info.

It confirms that Aileen and Frederick lived at Esquimalt on Vancouver Island in 1976! It seems that the poor lady had a history of heart problems and died age 58. Walter's death cert confirms his address as 2330 Maple Street, Vancouver which is odd because I found an article on line that said at the time of his death he was editor of a Kelowna newspaper - Kelowna is a fair way from Vancouver isn't it? Did he have two properties perhaps?

Anyway the info keeps coming

Regards Ian
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: Jackie Gruber on Wednesday 06 February 13 04:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Ian - I have scanned and emailed you the wedding picture.  As for how long they lived at this address, another clue is that in the photo they are standing in front of the house at 214 - 27th Avenue NE and that was in 1949 so they had to be there by this time.
Title: Re: Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups
Post by: maresacct on Thursday 17 December 15 05:29 GMT (UK)
Hi, doing some research on Geoff Beaver Jones who my family and I lived with for several years in the 70’s... wondering if I/we can help answer some questions about Geoff and his family... we knew them well...  please feel free to reply to my email address at (*)  I remember Walter well, he came and lived with us on McGill Street after his wife died in the fire in their apartment (his and Hazel’s) when she passed... yes, due to smoking in bed as previously quoted... maybe we can shed some light on some of the mystery around this family.  We also knew Geoff and Walter’s nephew Dick and their children...

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