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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: Sophie30 on Tuesday 01 February 11 16:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know if its possible to search a census by address. My partners family live in beautiful victorian farmhouse and I am trying to find out who lived there before they did. Is there any way of searching a census on house name/address. I guess not, but just thought I would check.
As always, thanks in advance for your help.
Kind regards
sophie
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It will be possible in the 1881 Census, you could also look in historical directories, as farms are usually listed.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
Stan
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What is the name/road name?
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What is the name/road name?
And what census years did you want?
Carol
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Thanks everyone that's really helpful. To be honest I'm not sure when the farmhouse was built - it looks mid victorian to me, so I guess I would check from 1841 onwards.
The farm is in Lineholt, Ombersley, Worcestershire and is called Lineholt House Farm. There is no road name as such as its such a small hamlet.
I will check the directories as per the link - thank you, much appreciated.
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1891 - RG12/2342/46/4
Lineholt House, Lineholt, Ombersley
Charles Pardoe Head Wid 67 Farmer Employer Worcester, Ombersley
Marianne E M Do Dau S 40 Worcester, Ombersley
Linda
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Charle Pardoe (farmer) and his family are also in Lineholt in 1881 & 1871 but there is no actual address. I can't see him there in 1861
Charles & Marianne are still there in 1901
If you want more details let me know
Linda
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I'm so excited - thank you thats fantastic - I found C Pardoe listed in Kelly's Directory, in 1892 also.
Yes please - Any further details you have would be really appreciated - I cant wait to tell the in laws - they will be so pleased!
Mind you I think I'm more interested in the history of the farm than they are. Sadly, gone are the days when farmers were wealthy and the house is now in desperate need of some TLC as a result. How exciting!
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1861 - RG9/2082/81/1
Charles is a farmer in Ribbesford, Worcs so not really relevant to this discussion (unless you want to follow the family right back)
1871 - RG10/3068/51/6
Linholt
Charles Pardoe Head Mar 57 Farmer of 273 acres employing 3 men and 1 boy Worcester Ombersley
Mary Do Wife Mar 57 Farmer's wife Worcester Astley
Marianne E N Do Dau 20 Worcester Ombersley
Frances T Do Dau 15 Worcester Ombersley
Letitia Do Sister 80 Unm Worcester Ombersley
Anne M Do Sister 66 Unm Worcester Ombersley
Elizabeth Do Sister in law Unm 60 Worcester Astley
Anne Higgs Visitor 68 Unm Worcester Ombersley
Elizabeth M Collins Serv 15 Unm General servant Worcester Perrick
Charles Tones or Jones Serv 36 Unm Farm servant indoors Worcester Kidderminster
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George & Mary seem to be in two places at once in 1881 ::)
1881 - RG11/2905/90/14
Ribbesford
Charles Pardoe Head Mar 67 Farmer with 150 acres Worcester Ombersley
Mary Pardoe Wife Mar 67 Worcester Asley
1881 - RG11/2935/52/5
Lineholt
Charles Pardoe Head Mar 68 Farmer 450 Acres Land Employing 6 Men & 1 Woman Ombersley
Mary " Wife Mar 67 Astley
Marianne Elizabeth ?? " Dau Unm 30 Ombersley
Frances Enalis? " Dau Unm 25 Ombersley
Charles William " Son Unm 22 Ribbesford
Ann Maria " Mother Unm 76 Ombersley
John Edward Pardoe Bligh Nephew Unm 26 *
Charles Jones Serv Unm 45 General servant farm Kidderminster
* shown as The Hay Brecknocksh
transcribed on An**ry as The Hay, Breconshire, Wales
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1901 - RG13/2794/45/4
Lineholt House
Charles Pardoe Head Wid 88 Farmer Employer Worcester, Ombersley
Marianne Do Dau S 50 Worcester, Ombersley
Jane Pearman Visitor S 65 Living on own means Worcester, Hallow
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A bit more digging - just for fun :) :)
Birth registrations
Marianne Elizabeth Narers or Nayers Pardoe 1851 Apr-May-Jun
Droitwich Vol 18 Page 259
Frances Inglis Pardoe 1856 Jan-Feb-Mar
Droitwich Vol 6c Page 367
Death
Mariane E N Pardoe 1944 age at death 93
Droitwich Vol 6c Page 203
If you want to find anymore on the Pardoes just let me know - I'm getting quite attached to them :)
Linda
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Thanks Linda - how strange that the Pardoe's are listed in both places in 1881. Ribbesford is not far away so I guess they owned two farms? They appear to be succesful/wealthy farmers.
I am intrigued because in 1861 they appear in the census living in Ribbesford - Coneygreen Farm (250 acres). I wonder if they also owned Lineholt House Farm then too. Did you come across anything for Lineholt for the Pardoes in 1861 - I cant find anything. I'm wondering if they perhaps built the farmhouse around this time (I will double check at the weekend but I have never seen any date stone on it).
So the Pardoes pretty much lived at Lineholt house from 1871 (we think) through to 1901 but appeared to have a farm in Ribbesford too - maybe that indicates they had enough money to build the house?
Sometime between 1901 and 1911 - perhaps on the death of Charles Pardoe, Marianne his daughter appears to have sold to Joseph Williams who was living there in 1911.
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Death
Charles Pardoe 1903 Apr-May-Jun Age at Death 90
Droitwich Vol 6c Page 171
Just had a thought (which should have occurred to me sooner!)
If your in-laws have the deeds to the property (or access to them) there may be a lot of information there. Unfortunately, recently it has become legal to destroy all the old records once the land has been registered.
I wonder whose bright idea that was??
Good luck
Linda
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I shall certainly ask them!
Thanks for the update on the death of Charles Pardoe - certainly proves fresh air and hard work never hurt anyone. As my mum always says, hard work never killed anyone - it just makes you a funny shape! The Pardoes lived to a grand old age!
Thanks for all your kind help
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Hi again Danuslave
I know it has been ages since this thread was started by me, but you were so helpful, I really hope you will be interested in this update....
Ok so, since my February 2011 and my initial investigations regarding my partners family's farmhouse and enquiries regarding the family that lived there pre 1900, we have since got married (I'm now officially Mrs Baylis) and we have planning permission to convert the old threshing barn on my husbands family's farm. I was therefore trawling the archives and our previous chat, as I am keener than ever to know more about the family that lived there prior to my husbands family and would love love love to find some old pictures of the barn (pre 1900 - or its history).....but, I am thinking that may mean tracking down some descendents of the Pardoe's.
Whilst searching the internet, I also found the following link which really interested me. http://www.lissfineart.com/4375sub0_3.htm#bio
This is a sketch of the farmhouse front door (there is also another one on the art dealers website) that sundial is still in the garden - the door looks the same. It is by an artist named Winifred Knights whose great aunts were Marianne Pardoe - the daughter of Charles Pardoe and Frances Williams (if you look back through the conversation we assumed the house transferred to a Mr Williams - Frances Pardoe must have married him). I am amazed and astounded and cant wait to show my husband and the family. Who incidentally this year have made so many improvements to the farm house as his eldest brother has now moved in (an annexe has been built on for my husbands parents) and that old front door will soon be replaced!!
So now I want to know more....do you think I would be able to track down a descendant of Marianne and Francis Pardoe - did they have any children. I wonder if they have memories of the farm or stories to tell or photographs to share of the farmhouse and outbuildings (our barn).
I do so hope you can help with any advice?
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Hi Sophie
I know Linda hasn't been online for a while but I checked and she isn't getting notifications for this topic anymore so won't know that you have posted again.
If you would like a response from her, the best thing to do would be to send her a personal message and include the URL from the top of this screen for the topic which is this
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You can send her a pm from this link
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Fingers crossed she comes back soon
Dawn
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Looks like you are really on a roll! You don't say when your husband's family moved to the farm, so you may already know most of its 20th century history, but you might still be interested in these two surveys. Unfortunately the records aren't digitised, and they are held in TNA, Kew, but they can be really informative:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/valuation-office-survey-land-value-ownership-1910-1915/
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/national-farm-survey-england-wales-1941-1943/
If you are lucky, there might be some locally-held records too.
For the 19th century the Tithe Apportionments from the 1840s have recently been digitised are are online at The Genealogist. Some of the accompanying maps are online too, with the rest to follow
https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/tithe/
Have fun, and good luck (from the not-at-all-envious occupier of a 20th century terraced house) :)
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Hi Guys
Thanks for putting Sophie back in touch with me. I'd forgotten all about this one!
I haven't done any FH for a while, but I got very attached to this family :D so I might have another go.
Watch this space
Linda
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Thank you Danuslave.
Strangely, I am really the only one out of the family that is interested in the farmhouse and farm's history. Kind of love the old place.