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Title: missing great granny
Post by: souza on Monday 31 January 11 21:19 GMT (UK)

Hi
I need to find the date of my G Grandmothers death. Her name was Effield Hart Helman (maiden name Atwater). She was in the Dartford/ Gravesend area. She was born in 1886.
Any help appreciated.
                             Souza

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: nanny jan on Monday 31 January 11 21:41 GMT (UK)

Hi,

Did Effield marry twice?   There is a marriage for an Effield Helman in 1931 to Arnold Taylor.    :-\



Nanny Jan

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 31 January 11 21:52 GMT (UK)

I think that marriage looks very likely Nanny Jan.

There is a possible death for her first husband Henry registered Gravesend June Quarter 1931 Volume 2a page 841 aged 53 which matches his age.

Mo
Edit - I have just realised that the marriage was before the above Henry died  - sorry

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: wrjones on Monday 31 January 11 22:56 GMT (UK)

All I can find is the death of an Effield H Steer in Maidstone Kent in 1861.Her estimated age at death is given as 73.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: souza on Tuesday 01 February 11 19:42 GMT (UK)

Hi Nanny Jan
A 2nd marriage would certainly account for me not finding a death of Effield Helman. I only know my G Grandfather Henry had died before his daughter (my gran Doris ) was married in 1933. But how to explain the 1931 date?
                               Souza

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 01 February 11 20:19 GMT (UK)

Hi,

I wonder if they had divorced?

With an unusual name she should be easy to find.   :-\



Nanny Jan

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: souza on Thursday 03 February 11 16:46 GMT (UK)

Hi  N Jan
Unfortunately there is no one i can ask about a  divorce, but is a likely answer. I shall keep on searching.
Many thanks for your help and advice.
                         Souza

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: ec on Thursday 03 February 11 19:14 GMT (UK)

Well it looks like they married as Harry and Ethel

Marriages Jun 1901 
Attwater    Ethel        Medway    2a   1224
Helman    Harry         Medway    2a   1224    

A copy of the marriage cert is available to view at
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk
Path: Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/ P085_CHATHAM_ST_MARY_1568_1974/ 01_INCUMBENT_REGISTERS_1568_1974/ 01_registers/ P085_01_069.html

the image is 00110215.jpg

She appears to have signed her name as Ethel so you may have to consider looking for her under that forename

ec

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 03 February 11 19:37 GMT (UK)

I'm grateful to ec,no wonder I couldn't find the Attwater/Helman marriage!

However I think the following marriages are significant;Ethel Helman to an Arnold Packham at Maidstone in 1935 and that of an Ethel Pacham to a James A STEER at Maidstone in 1956.I gave the death of an Effield H Steer in an earlier reply.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: ec on Friday 04 February 11 09:54 GMT (UK)

looks like souza has her answer then wrjones - the death you found is likely the correct one..

 :)

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: wrjones on Friday 04 February 11 10:12 GMT (UK)

Yes ec it certainly looks liike that.I had a lot  of help from you in proving it though!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: missing great granny
Post by: souza on Saturday 05 February 11 20:13 GMT (UK)

Hi Folks
Well you certainly given me lots to sift through. I never thought of searching for an Ethel , and i should have as one of her daughters was given that name!
 Thank you again
                            Souza