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Title: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 13:57 GMT (UK)
Am looking for any information regarding an Agnes Robertson, born 14/4/1884 somewhere in Scotland. She died 10/12/1969 in Ruislip, Hillingdon. She married my great uncle George Sturrock, although I don't know when. He was a Director of Public Works in the Straits Settlements in the 1930s (now Singapore & Malaysia). I cannot find either a birth or marriage record. All info comes from her death record and the informant was her son George Munro Sturrock.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 14:11 GMT (UK)
Was she married previously and is Robertson her maiden name?
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 14:35 GMT (UK)
According to the death record, her maiden name was Robertson. The actual name entered on the certificate is Agnes Robertson Sturrock. At first I assumed Robertson was her middle name, but apparantly not...
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 14:40 GMT (UK)
When and where was George munro Sturrock born?
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 14:44 GMT (UK)
Born 9/6/1912 in Serebam in the Malay States. Died 19/5/1991 Stanmore, Harrow.
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 14:55 GMT (UK)
So George would not be Agnes' son if she married in the 1930s

He may not have known if she was married previously
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 15:06 GMT (UK)
Oops! No! I think I misworded that in my initial post - the 1930s relates to when my great uncle was a Director of Public Works out in the Straits Settlements not when they got married. I have no idea when they got married. There does seem to have been a daughter also -  Helen Beatrice Sturrock, but I have no idea when or where she was born but according to some passenger records it might have been between 1909 and 1912 approx. (Beatrice seems to run in the family...)
Sorry about the misunderstanding!
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 17:17 GMT (UK)
Do you know where and when George Sturrock was born?
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 29 January 11 17:30 GMT (UK)
Just adding the link to a previous post on George Sturrock for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,500365.0.html

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 29 January 11 17:49 GMT (UK)
Bermudagirl, nothing to do with who was Agnes Robertson. Have you come across this link? http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0115%2FBAM%202 Looks like a photo of George on file from 1933.

Monica
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 17:59 GMT (UK)
Yes I had already spotted that! Haven't applied for a copy of the photo yet, although have found out about how to apply for it.

Getting confused with my Georges here!

George Sturrock born 1/12/1880 Edinburgh. Died 7/1/1950 Richmond Surrey
George Munro Sturrock born 9/6/1912 Serebam, Malay States (presumably where his father was working). Died 19/5/1991 Stanmore Harrow
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 18:15 GMT (UK)
Is this George in 1881

George M Sturrock 52
Marg Forbes Or Sturrock 37
George Forbes Or Sturrock 4 MO

Address: 7 Claremont Pl
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 18:25 GMT (UK)
Yes, my great grandparents - George Monro Sturrock born 9/1/1849 Blairgowrie and Margaret Forbes born 16/4/1843 Kilmadock. George was the eldest of their children. My grandmother was 2nd youngest!
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 19:08 GMT (UK)
Does Agnes' death record mention parents names?
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 29 January 11 19:10 GMT (UK)
It's an English death entry Sancti, so there won't have been details mentioned on her parents unfortunately.

Monica
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 19:14 GMT (UK)
Going to be tricky finding her.

No sign of a marriage in Scotland and George is still on the 1901 census so I wonder when he emigrated
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 19:20 GMT (UK)
Well he was back and forward between the Far East and Great Britain a number of times (by ship obviously), but I don't know where he met Agnes. I don't have a birth record for his son or daughter either.
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 19:22 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage for his brother

I wonder if George was a witness

1914 STURROCK WILLIAM GEORGE and JAMIESON AGNES HIGGINS P at SCOTSTOUN AND YOKER GLASGOW CITY/LANARK
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 19:34 GMT (UK)
Well his brother was Wiliam Young Sturrock and at some point emigrated to Canada (like 2 of his brothers). I forgot I had his RIBA  statement, and according to that, he worked for the Caledonian Railway 1902-3 but by 1907 he was out in the Far East. I couldn't find a marriage for him in England either...
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: sancti on Saturday 29 January 11 19:37 GMT (UK)
Possibly a related marriage

1904 GREEN PETER and STURROCK HELEN BEATRICE at ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH) EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

And possible for his sister

1920 GRAY JAMES EDWARDS and STURROCK PATRICIA BEATRI at CRAMOND EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Saturday 29 January 11 19:50 GMT (UK)
Now the Helen Beatrice Sturrock one could be interesting as it is a very similar name to one of the children of George. The other one is the marriage of my grandparents.
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: grannysrock on Tuesday 01 February 11 18:50 GMT (UK)
The Scotsman - Tuesday, 11th May 1909, page 12
STURROCK—ROBERTSON.—At Penang, on the 10th inst., GEOEGE STURROCK, A.M.Inst.C.E.. Port Dickson, Negri Sembilan. Federated Malay States, eldest  son of the late George Monro Sturrock and of Mrs Sturrock, Blairmount, Blackhall.
Mid-Lothian to AGNES ROBERTSON. eldest daughter or James Robertson and Mrs Robertson, 12 Argyle Street , Maryfield, Dundee .

There are also some passenger lists on Ancestry and Findmypast in the 1920's  for Agnes giving as UK address; Inglemere, Pitkerro Road, Dundee. Searching that address in Ancestry returns a James Robertson there from about 1922 to 1935.
One later  passenger list has what looks like Agnes and George travelling home with a Helen B Sturrock aged 21 in 1932 , ( here the UK address is Walker St. Edinburgh ) .

Old Newspapers for Singapore ( but also covering what is now Malaysia ) can be freely searched at  http://newspapers.nl.sg/Default.aspx    . There are various mentions of George Sturrock there , and also the wedding of an Alice May Robertson , daughter of James Robertson of Inglemere , Pitkerro Road , to W L Forwell of Serembam.


So armed with this info , your Agnes is possibly enumerated in the 1901 census  at Brachead  (Braehead?) cottage , Mains in 1901 with parents  James and Helen and a younger sister called Alice M.  She was aged 16 and her birthplace was Dundee.

I will see if I can find some more info.
 Hope this helps
Sally
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Tuesday 01 February 11 18:59 GMT (UK)
Oh Sally, thank you so much! it never occurred to me to search the Scotsman! That helps me so much! Now I can trace Agnes! It's strange how things go round in circles because Dundee was where I was born as well! Yes, I have tracked them down on various passenger lists but hadn't found a marriage for George and Agnes. Can't find a birth for Helen (possibly abroad like her brother) and can't find a death record for her either...but never mind, what a help you have been! Thank you again! :)

Pat
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 01 February 11 19:23 GMT (UK)
Wow, Sally! That is hugely helpful  :)

Monica
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: grannysrock on Tuesday 01 February 11 19:33 GMT (UK)
Oh thanks, but it was fun and cost me nuffin....

2 more entries from the Scotsman - verifies that her mother was a Helen , so hopefully the 1901  family is correct. But you have both parent's names , so it doesn't matter if iit isn't  I think.

The Scotsman - Wednesday, 7th June 1933, page 20
Golden Wedding Anniversaries:
ROBERTSON—HONEYMAN.—At 1 Warrender Park Road, Edinburgh, on 6th June 1883, by the Rev. Dr Allison, Newington Parish Church, James Robertson, Newtyle, to HELEN, second daughter of THOMAS HONEYMAN, Esq., Dalry Mains, Edinburgh.—Present address, Inglemere, Pitkerro Road, Dundee.

The Scotsman - Wednesday, 31st July 1935, page 20
Marriages:
STURROCK—WOOD.—At Bombay, on the 27th of July. GEORGE MUNRO STURROCK. of the Scottish Assam Tea Company, Kharikatia, Assam, son of the Hon. Mr George Sturrock. Director-Adviser , Public Works, Malaya, and Mrs Sturrock , Sydenham, Singapore, and grandson of Mr and Mrs James Robertson, Inglemere, Dundee .

Sally
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Tuesday 01 February 11 20:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all these! I'm struggling to find the marriage of Alice in the Singapore newspapers at the moment! Plenty of reports regarding a James Robertson, but I can't find her marriage. And the marriage of my great uncle George - that's great because from one of the passenger lists (I think) I have his wife as being Leslie Louisa Cartwright Wood. But he was married at least twice, because the informant when he died was his wife Audrey Mary. I think a lot more investigating is in order!
Thanks again for so much help!

Pat
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Tuesday 01 February 11 20:17 GMT (UK)
Well, have just done a search in the 1891 and 1901 census - it seems to have been a family of daughters! - at least 5!!!
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: grannysrock on Tuesday 01 February 11 20:30 GMT (UK)
Sorry my post  missed a rather important bit  out of the Sturrock-Wood marriage above - Should have said :
 
STURROCK—WOOD.—At Bombay, on the 27th of July. GEORGE MUNRO STURROCK. of the Scottish Assam Tea Company, Kharikatia, Assam, son of the Hon. Mr George Sturrock. Director-Adviser , Public Works, Malaya, and Mrs Sturrock , Sydenham, Singapore, and grandson of Mr and Mrs James Robertson, Inglemere, Dundee , to LESLIE LOUISA CARTWRIGHT, daughter of the late WILLIAM H. WEST WOOD, of Palmerston Place, Edinburgh.

Oops !

Sally
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Tuesday 01 February 11 20:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that! Can you tell me how you could Alice May in the Singapore newspapers - I'm having a struggle...oh ignore this! Have just found it by searching under "Forwell"!!!
Pat
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: grannysrock on Tuesday 01 February 11 21:31 GMT (UK)
.. I think I was searching under Pitkerro !

James death:
The Scotsman - Wednesday, 30th July 1947, page 8
ROBERTSON.—At DUNDEE Royal Infirmary (the result of an accident. on 27th July 1947. JAMES ROBERTSON, " Inglemere," Pitkerro Road. Dundee,  late of Messrs Henry Boase & Co., ltd., Dundee, beloved husband of Helen Robertson Honeyman. Service at Dundee Crematorium to-day (Wednesday) at 2.30 p.m-All friends invited. 

Sally
Title: Re: Agnes Robertson
Post by: Bermudagirl on Tuesday 01 February 11 22:01 GMT (UK)
Dundee Royal Infirmary...that brings back memories - I would go with my mum when she gave blood - afterwards she got tea and biscuits and I got a drink of juice!!!