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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: NEMASIS on Friday 28 January 11 18:01 GMT (UK)
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Any information on the Legg(e) family from around Kempsford and the Paish family from Fairford/Cerney area please.
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Hi
What time frame are you talking about?
To save duplication of what you have are you after census / bmd also some first names and dates of birth would help. :)
Rosie
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Hi, I've got James Legg b. 1830 Lechlade, possible married to Martha? Their son William b. 5/2/1854 (birth cert.) Kempsford married Mary ? of Marston, Wiltshire (unknown date). One son Thomas William, b. Jun 1885 Birmingham, d. Dec 1885 as did Mary (22/10/1885 from her death cert.). William married again to Elizabeth Paish b. Mar 1862 Fairford on 26/05/1886 (Marriage Cert.) in Birmingham. Eleven children of which the third, Frank (Francis) b. Dec 1889 was my wife's grandfather. Frank married Elsie Cull b. Mar 1891 in Birmingham in Jun 1914. Elizabeth Paish was daughter of James & Elizabeth from the South Cerney area.
I'd like to track down James' first wife and her family, plus take any of the families further back.
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I'm confused! Do you mean that William b 1854 was not the son of James' first marriage? You surely have his mother's first and maiden names on the birth certificate, which should help in the search for James' marriage.
Jane
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scuda-j: the birth cert of William is unclear but certainly James' wife is Martha with the possible surname of Horton. I am unable to find any marriage of Legg(e) and Horton prior to (or after) the birth at Kempsford in 1854. Earlier investigations had suggested that James wife was Mary Ann ? from Brize Norton but William's birth cert stopped that unless Martha dies and James remarried.
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Maybe it would be worth posting a section of the birth certificate on here, so we can try to work out what it says. You need the part with the mother's name (obviously!) and enough extra to allow us to get a feel for the handwriting. Was William the first child that you know of?
Jane
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Going back to a James Legge marrying Mary Ann, that looks like James Leg & Mary Ann Morse, Witney, Q1 1851. I wonder if what you take as Horton on the certificate could actually be Morse?
Jane
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Hi, I've cropped the birth cert of William - I think the name is Horton or Norton. If Horton the "H" does not match the Registrar's next entry of Husbandman. Anyone any ideas?
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I think it must be Norton - I agree that it's nothing like the H in Husbandman. I can't see the marriage at the moment, so I'll try another tack - have you found James in 1851?
Jane
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James Leg/Legg and Martha are living in Kempsford in 1851
James Legg 35 ag lab
Martha Legg 34 ag lab
Jane Legg 9
Sarah Legg 6
Mary Ann Legg 4
all born in Kempsford
and 1861
James Leg 45 ag lab born Kempsford
Martha Leg Faringdon, Berks
Mary Ann Leg 14
William Legg 7
Edwin Legg 3
children all born in Kempsford
James LEG and Martha NORTON both married December Q 1841 in Faringdon district. The entry for James on FreeBMD has the page number wrong.
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That's certainly the marriage, well done! BUT ... is this the James that Nemasis was originally asking about? His James was born in 1830, this marriage is 1841 - something doesn't fit! Nemasis, how certain are you about James' age?
Jane
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Galium: thanks for the info..
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I think the James Legge that married Martha Norton was baptised in Kempsford in 1818, the son of James and Hannah. The James that Nemesis is looking for was born around 1830 - he was baptised in Lechlade in 1829, parents Thomas and Mary. So, it looks as though this is not the right birth certificate! Can you direct us to your James in a census, Nemesis, so we have more info to go on?
Jane
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scuda-j: I'm not sure of James' age. I got 1830 from a later census (and it would fit with William's birth in 1854). I have found James Legg in the 1881 and 1891 census but these show a marriage and move to Brize Norton so may not be the correct James!
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OK, got them in 1861, James & Mariam, presumably Mary Ann, in Bampton, Oxfordshire - this could be the James Leg & Mary Ann Morse marriage. Children William 6, Sarah A 3, Mary M 1.
I am sure you have got the wrong birth for William - or rather, you need to be certain which family you are following before you go any further. What facts are you CERTAIN relate to the family you are researching?
Jane
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William Legg married to Elizabeth and living in Birmingham in 1891 is aged 37 and born in Kempsford. He is a police constable.
William Legge born in Bampton has also married an Elizabeth by 1891 and is living in Oxford. He also says he is 37, and is a corn porter.
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You need to decide whether you are tracing William born in Bampton or William b in Kempsford. William b Kempsford is the one who married Elizabeth and lived in Birmingham in 1891 (he was a police constable). If that is who you want I think you have the correct birth certificate. The William born in Bampton also married an Elizabeth, and in 1891 they are in Oxford - he is a corn porter.
If you're certain you definitely need the William in Birmingham, I would say you have the correct birth certificate, so those parents are the ones to research not the James born in 1830.
Oh, beat me to it, Galium!
Jane
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Thanks all - definately the Police Constable in Birmingham! The 1901 & 1911 census go on to confirm the rest of the family as known.
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1841 census
Eaton Hastings, Berkshire
Martha Norton 20 female servant born in county
next household on sheet
James Legg 20 Ag Lab not born in county
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Marriage at St Michael and All Angels, Eaton Hastings
11 October 1841
James Leg age 21 bachelor lab.
Father: James Leg lab.
Martha Norton age 21 spinster serv.
Father: William Norton lab.
Witnesses:Thomas Hucks
Jane Clark
Faringdon All Saints
Marriage
21 March 1819
William Norton
Elizabeth Walker
both of this parish
Witnesses: Richard Hill
Ann Hill
Baptism
July 18 1819
Martha Norton daughter of William and Elizabeth
born 3 June
Father's occupation Labourer
William and Elizabeth Norton did not baptise any other children at this church
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Thanks very much - seems I have some documentation to sort.
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Hi NEMASIS,
I believe you have James Legg , Chr.DEC 1818 son of Hannah and James ,Chr.01 AUG
1784, try also;- James1784, 5 siblings, son of Hannah and Richard Chr.23 SEP 1753 at Kempsford, 8 (at least) siblings, son of Martha Smith and Edward Leg, B.abt 1720
M 1 NOV 1746.
Cannot find a connection to my Duntisbourne/Daglingworth/Cirencester line, 'tho I need to know more about Edwards grandson William (born 28 DEC 1784 to Thomas and Anne) to clarify this. Any Kempsford - Legg family followers out there?
Regards,
rayUK.