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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Rochdalian on Thursday 27 January 11 09:21 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Have this chap James Kannane, all we know is what we've found on his WW1 service record and the AIF Project.
His next of kin is given as his mother Jane Kannane of Walkerville
When he enlisted in 1914 he gave his age as 36 but in 1917 when he was trying for a discharge he gave it as 46.
He died in 1926 and is buried at Port Wakefield.
Also a Mrs Eleanor Johnstone of Maylands SA wrote to the army looking for an address to write to claiming she was a relative (possible sister?)
Anyway we would be grateful for anything about this man and his family.
Cheers
Helen & Bob
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Hi,
There is a reference to James Kannane in 1903:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4922173
Port Wakefield area, so it may be your man.
Cheers, Chris.
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Thanks Chris, saw that and summised that was him, that was the only hit though that I got :)
Helen & Bob
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Death:
KANNANE James single age 49yrs d. 3 Oct 1926
Residence: Walkerville; Death Place: Port Wakefield
District Code: Gil; Book: 490/Page: 144
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Mother's Death:
KANNANE Jane widow age 78yrs d. 21 Jan 1919
Relative: Patrick KANNANE [DH]
Residence: Walkerville; Death Place: Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Book: 425/Page: 116
Father's Death:
KANNANE Patrick age 69yrs d. 8 June 1903
Residence: Walkerville; Death Place: Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Book: 294/Page: 458
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Possibly his sister (Mrs Eleanor Johnstone) who was making the enquiries into his whereabouts:
KANNANE Ellen b. 22 Jan 1871
Birth Place: Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Symbol: V; Book: 91/Page: 101
Father: Patrick KANNANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
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James' birth:
KANANE Patrick James b. 1 Apr 1877
Birth Place: North Adelaide
District Code: Ade; Symbol: A; Book: 180/Page: 120
Father: Patrick KANANE
Mother: Jane NOACK
It appears on his birth reg that his mothers maiden name has been recorded incorrectly as his siblings births show it as ROACH as does her marriage below.
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Parents' Marriage:
KINANE Patrick age 22yrs m. ROACH Jane age 21yrs - 22 Jan 1860
Place: St Patrick Adelaide; District: Ade; Book/Page: 41/173
Groom's Father: Martin KINANE
Bride's Father: John ROACH
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Thanks a lot Merlin that does seem to be the family.
Any idea how they got to SA, we've tried the SAGS site with no success.
Helen & Bob
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From the Biographical Index of Sth Australia:-
KINNANE Patrick born c1836 Clare, Ireland. died 8.6.1903 buried West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide, SA
arrived: 1859 on the ship NORTH
occupation: labourer
residing: Walkerville
religion: Roman Catholic
married: 22.1.1860 to Jane ROACH
Jane born: c1841
died: 21.1.1919
children:-
Mary b.1863
Cath b. 1864
Bridget b. 1867
Ellen Gertrude b. 1872 - 1919 (same year as her Mother).
The Biographical Index is not always accurate but a good reference point to start your search.
Regards,
Sashar
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Hi Helen and Bob,
Patrick KINANE arrived 28 January 1859 aboard the NORTH
He was aged 22 a farm servant from Clare (Ships list name him as Pat)
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/north1859.htm
Cheers Kris :)
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Births registered in the SA index to Patrick & Jane - with various spellings of the surnames :)
CANNANE Martin b. 03/11/1860 - Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Book: 15/Page: 475
Father: Patrick CANNANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
CANANE John b. 03/03/1862 - Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Book: 20/Page: 305
Father: Patrick CANANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
KANNANE Catherine b. 05/12/1864 - Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Book: 33/Page: 90
Father: Patrick KANNANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
KENNANA James b. 26/08/1866 - Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Book: 33/Page: 623
Father: Patrick KENNANA
Mother: Jane ROACH
KANNANE Ellen b. 22/01/1871 - Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Symbol: V; Book: 91/Page: 101
Father: Patrick KANNANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
KANNANE Thomas b. 11/05/1875 - North Adelaide
District Code: Ade; Symbol: A; Book: 150/Page: 111
Father: Patrick KANNANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
KANANE Patrick James b. 01/04/1887 - North Adelaide
District Code: Ade; Symbol: A; Book: 180/Page: 120
Father: Patrick KANANE
Mother: Jane NOACK
KANANE Alice Anne b. 27/03/1879 - North Adelaide
District Code: Ade; Symbol: A; Book: 215/Page: 471
Father: Patrick KANANE
Mother: Jane ROCHE
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Hi,
Couple of early directory entries.
Commercial & Trades Directory SA 1882-83
Kannane P., cab proprietor, Walkerville.
SA Almanac & Directory 1876
Margaret Street-E side.
Kannane Patrick, labourer.
Gerry
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Hi and thank you all so much.
We'd like to take this a little further if we may. Could someone please look up to see if James, b1866, died young. You see we are still struggling with the age of our main subject James who died in Port Wakefield in 1926. We think he is most likely the Patrick James, b1877, as the age seems to fit with the age given at death, 49 yrs. If it is him then for some reason he dropped the Patrick when he joined up in 1914.
Secondly is there any chance of finding when Jane Roach, or her parents came to SA please.
Thanks
Helen & Bob
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Possibly the death of Jane's father John ROACH:
ROACH John age 60yrs d. 25/12/1864
Relative: James ROACH (PR)
Residence: Walkerville; Death Place: Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Symbol: F; Book: 18/Page: 75
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MMM Unfortunately if this all one family we seem to have 2 Thomases
ROACH John born about 1804 arrived by 1861 aboard theDAVID McIVER occupation Labourer residence Walkerville religion RC
married by 1864 unknown
The DAVID McIVER arrived in 1859 with John, Mary with children Thomas and Joanna aboard.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmcivor1859.htm
There is also in 1857 three brothers with a sister Jane aboard the OMEGA
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/omega1857.htm
ROACH James residence Walkerville religion RC
married 12 Oct 1861 Adelaide SA Cath nee LYONS (He was 28 at marriage)
children Hannah 1862, Eliza 1864, Mary Anne 1868
ROACH Thomas born about 1840 died 12 Jun 1871 buried WTC residence Walkerville, Nth Adelaide religion RC
married 25 Jan 1863 Adelaide SA Mgt nee McNAMARA who was born about 1843 and died 23 Jul 1908 (He was 25 at marriage in 1863 and 31 at death in 1871)
children Michl 1863, Anne Maryanne 1866, and twins Mary and Mgt 1868
ROACH Thomas born about 1835 CLA IRL arrived 1858 OMEGA occupation Labourer religion RC (there is marriage for a Thomas in 1870 aged 35)
Cheers Kris
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Possibly his sister (Mrs Eleanor Johnstone) who was making the enquiries into his whereabouts:
KANNANE Ellen b. 22 Jan 1871
Birth Place: Walkerville
District Code: Ade; Symbol: V; Book: 91/Page: 101
Father: Patrick KANNANE
Mother: Jane ROACH
I do not believe this was Mrs Eleanor JOHNSTONE
Ellen Gertrude KANNANE died unmarried in 1919
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5620377
This is the only Mrs Eleanor JOHNSTONE I am spotting
JOHNSTONE James Mawbery 26 single father James JOHNSTONE = HALLIDAY Eleanor Bertha 29 single father James HALLIDAY 4 Apr 1910 St Mary North Adelaide Dist Ade 243/21
2nd marriage
HARRIS Leonard Francis 41 widow father Richard William Francis HARRIS = JOHNSTONE Eleanor Bertha 43 widow father James HALLIDAY 11 Aug 1923 Res of Mr Measday Mitcham Dist Ade 296 382
No Births to this Eleanor in SA
There certainly were HALLIDAY'S in Maylands but not spotting a connection
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Just a quick one to say thanks before we go out for dinner.
I think Jane who came with her brothers is the one who married Patrick Kinane. The age fits with her calculated age from her death.
The Eleanor Johnstone thing is interesting in that her maiden name was Halliday and we have a Halliday on the Baker side of this complecated family.
More later and thanks
Helen & Bob
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Hi Kris
We had a look at the passenger list for the OMEGA and found Jane Roach and her brothers thanks. The brothers were James, Thomas & Patrick - I couldn't see where you got two Thomases? ???
And with Ellen Gertrude dying unmarried thanks for confirming that, we thought it was the case :)
Now then the Hallidays, we have an Eliza Halliday who arrived with her husband Job Baker in 1838 per EDEN, they came from Stroud, Gloucestershire. Just wondering if a brother of Eliza also came out to SA. Noticed on Barry Leadbeater's passenger lists that a number of Hallidays came out and one that caught the eye was a Debney family which included a J Halliday. Now a James Halliday married a daughter of this family Hepzabah Debney. Reason we are trying to connect is that Eleanor Johnstone (Halliday) claimed to be a relation of James Kannane.
Is it possible to trace back from Eleanor's father, James Halliday, to see if there is a connection? ;)
We are just fishing here and even if Eleanor turns out to be descended from a brother of Eliza then the relationship is very tenuous eh! Perhaps it was another kind of relationship ;)
Thanks SASHAR for your info also. It throws up a question, you list four female children to Patrick Kinnane & Jane Roach but only two show up on the list that MERLIN sent. Is it just that BISA has it wrong do you think?
Thanks
Helen & Bob
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Hi Helen and Bob,
We are just fishing here and even if Eleanor turns out to be descended from a brother of Eliza then the relationship is very tenuous eh! Perhaps it was another kind of relationship Wink
was wondering the same thing myself. Often women could not get answers if they were not related.
Eleanor Bertha HALLIDAY was born 26 Apr 1880 at Marden Dist Ade 240 1 parents James HALLIDAY and Sarah Ann CASTLE
HALLIDAY James 33 Widow father James HALLIDAY = CASTLE Sarah Jane 20 single father William CASTLE 12 Dec 1878 Res of brides father Crafers Dist Ade 117/959
Children Frederick Castle, Lillian Adelaide Elis, Beatrice Louise, Elise Maude, Ruby Amelia, Olive Amelia, Mabel Ellis Squires, Ruby Ethel Maude, Leonard Stanley
possible first marriage (although nothing further visible (births/death)
HALLIDAY James 28 singe father James HALLIDAY = SHIPTON Louisa 24 single father George SHIPTON 1 Oct 1874 Trinity Church Adelaide Dist Ade 101/17
I see James and Hepzabar had a son Albert James in 1846 but this isn't him. I don't see a birth for James
The second Thomas had arrived with John who died in 1864. (arrived 1857 aboard DAVID McIVER Seemed a likely for the father unless this Thomas returned to UK and came back with rest of family.
Cheers Kris :)
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BISA
HALLIDAY James parents Jas and Esther nee SQUIRES born 1843 arrived 1856 aboard the HOOGHLY occupation Gardener residence Cheltenham
married 1. 1 Oct 1874 Adelaide SA Louisa nee SHIPTON parents Gee and Mary nee WILLIAMS born Horsely Gloucs
married 2. Sarah nee CASTLE
ch Eleanor Bertha 1880, Fredk Castle 1881-1952, Beatrice who died 1956, Ruby, Olive Amelia 1889-1982, Mabel Ellis Squires 1890-1919
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/hooghly1856.htm
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Seems the Halliday connection may be a dead duck for now eh, but thanks anyway.
So, with the Roach family I suppose it is possible that the family that arrived per David McIvor were the parents and siblings of Jane & her three brothers per Omega, except for the Thomas conundrum. Just did a little googling and it appears that ROACH was a fairly common name in Clare. Taking into account the Thomas problem there is the possiblility that John & Mary where not the parents of Jane and the boys but uncle and aunt - no, just remembered that Jane, at her wedding, says that John Roach is her father-drat!
What do you think? ???
Helen & Bob
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Hi
Been mulling over this Roach family with two Thomas' and decided to search Trove for the passenger lists in the SA papers. In respect to the 'David McIver' on which John & Mary plus two kids Thomas & Joanna arrived in 1859, according to the Ships List. I can find no mention of a Thomas Roach in either of the SA papers of the day.
The SA Register of 29/11/1859 lists John & Mary Roach then a few lines further down has Johanna Roache.
In the SA Advertiser of 29/11/1859 it lists John & Mary Roach then two lines further has Joanna. Roach.
Neither paper lists in family, single men, single women order.
I am not suggesting that either list is at fault I am just a little confused. Mind you it would make much more sense if there was only one Thomas travelling ie. Jane and three older brothers came out first and sent for mum and dad and little sister.
I would like comment please if anyone feels like it ;D
Cheers
Bob & Helen
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Hi Bob and Helen,
State Archives list Thomas on both voyages. I have it on my list to check when next at the library. Unfortunately the information on The Ships List is probably all there is but I will take a look at the original manifests.
Cheers Kris :)
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Thank you so much Kris :)
Cheers
Bob & Helen
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Hi Bob and Helen,
Nothing of further interest in the passenger lists I am afraid. There is a Thomas listed on both voyages. All were from Clare
They do appear to be family groups in both instances - One List has
Thomas from Clare Farm Servany
Mary and John bracketed Wife and Lab
Johanna 16 Dom Serv
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Thanks for looking, it appears this may be one of those unsolved mysteries that we all come across from time to time. ::)
Cheers
Bob & Helen
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Hi Kris
We had a look at the passenger list for the OMEGA and found Jane Roach and her brothers thanks. The brothers were James, Thomas & Patrick - I couldn't see where you got two Thomases? ???
And with Ellen Gertrude dying unmarried thanks for confirming that, we thought it was the case :)
Now then the Hallidays, we have an Eliza Halliday who arrived with her husband Job Baker in 1838 per EDEN, they came from Stroud, Gloucestershire. Just wondering if a brother of Eliza also came out to SA. Noticed on Barry Leadbeater's passenger lists that a number of Hallidays came out and one that caught the eye was a Debney family which included a J Halliday. Now a James Halliday married a daughter of this family Hepzabah Debney. Reason we are trying to connect is that Eleanor Johnstone (Halliday) claimed to be a relation of James Kannane.
Is it possible to trace back from Eleanor's father, James Halliday, to see if there is a connection? ;)
We are just fishing here and even if Eleanor turns out to be descended from a brother of Eliza then the relationship is very tenuous eh! Perhaps it was another kind of relationship ;)
Thanks SASHAR for your info also. It throws up a question, you list four female children to Patrick Kinnane & Jane Roach but only two show up on the list that MERLIN sent. Is it just that BISA has it wrong do you think?
Thanks
Helen & Bob
Hi Helen & Bob, Jane Roach was the sister of my great grandfather James Roach. Along with brothers Patrick and Thomas they arrived in Adelaide on board the Omega in 1857. As you know Jane married Patrick Kinnane/Kannane. They are buried together in Eastern Catholic Section of the West Terrace Cemetery in Adelaide. James Roach married Catherine Lyons; their son James was my grandfather. My grandfather married Emma Alice Hood in 1891. They had four children, Alfred James (my father), John Stanley, Thomas William and Minnie May Roach. As far as I can ascertain Jane Roach's brother Patrick moved to Burra and married and had a family there, but Thomas remained unmarried till his death and is buried with his mother Bridget in Eastern Catholic Section of West Terrace Cemetery. I am yet to establish the father's name.
Regards, Alex Roach.
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Hi Alex
Just came across your post. I thought this thread had died but you have now brought it to life and I will now re-read it and see where to go from here.
Do you have any birth marriage and death dates, or anything for that matter, for Jane and her brothers. On Jane's marriage to Patrick Kinnane in 1860 her father is named as John Roach.
Cheers
Bob & Helen
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HI there everyone
I am on ancestry.com.au DUCKWORTH FAMILY TREE
Trying to find Jane, James, Thomas and Patrick Roach's parents. The siblings arrived in 1857 on the "Omega". John Roach is their father.
Is Alex Roach who wrote some of the above posts still active? He says that Thomas is buried with his mother Bridget in West Terrace Cemetery. When did she arrive in Australia? What was her surname?
Any ideas ROACH descendants.