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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Iban Kepala on Tuesday 25 January 11 13:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Richard SCARR was born in Todmorden Jun qtr. 1851 and died Mar qtr 1892 in Chorlton Manchester aged 40 (8c :524). The only early census on which I could find him was that of 1871 (RG10/ 4137/ 150/ 19) where he is shown aged 19 as 'Eldest son' - along with his siblings Sarah, Edwin, Charles and Susannah ( a daughter ? of whom) indicating, presumably, that both of their parents had died.
I have checked possibly connected SCARR deaths in Todmorden and found only - William died aged 55, Mar qtr 1867 and Frank in Mar qtr 1864( no age given) but am no further advanced in making any connection.
Does anyone have access to the Parish Registers who might be able to advise me as to who his parents were?
Any help would be greatly appreciated to help me make the connections to the SCARR''s of Askrigg, Yorkshire, whom I believe to be the ancestors of this family.
Many TIA,
George.
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In 1861 the family are at 3 Upper Ridge St (RG9/3236 ED18 FOL34 PG21).
Helliwell Scarr, Husband, Mar, 43, Tailor
Betty do, Wife, Mar, 41
Frances do, daur, Un, 20, Cotton weaver
Thomas do, Son, , 17, Gardener
Mary do, daur, , 12, Scholar
Richard do, Son, , 9, Scholar
Sarah do, daur, , 7, Scholar
PG22
Edwin Scarr, Son, , 4, Scholar
Charles do, Son, , 2
Susannah do, daur, , 6mo.
All are born Lancashire Todmorden.
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Beat me to it! FindMyPast has them transcribed as SNARR!
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16, Meredith Street, Burnage, Ladybarn, Manchester 1891
SCARR, Richard Head Married born 1850 Stone Mason Todmorden
SCARR, Elizabeth Wife Married born 1855 Yorkshire
SCARR, William Son born 1881 Miles Platting Manchester
SCARR, Mary Daughter born 1890 Ladybarn Burnage/Didsbury Manchester
Migky ;)
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In 1851 Frances is with her grandmother Susan at Todmorden Hall Barn (HO107/2289 ED3b FOL338 PG7)
Susan Scarr, Head, W, 62, Stone Mason's widow, Yorkr Wadsworth
William do, son, U, 40, Stone mason employing 7 men, Lancr Todmorden
Helliwell Stott, -, U, 16, Mason's app., Yorkr Stansfield
Frances Scarr, granddaughter, , 10, Scholar, Yorkr, Langfield
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1851 in Queen Street (HO107/2289 ED3d FOL403 PG24)
Helliwell Scar (transcribed as Sear), Head, Mar, 33, Tailor, Lancs Todmorden
Betty do, wife, , 31. Lancs Walsden
Thomas do, son, , 7, Scholar, Yorks Langfield
Mary do, daur, , 3, Yorks Langfield
Sally Kershaw, sister-in-law, U, 21, Factory hand, Lancs Walsden
Alice do, Niece, , 10mo, Lancs Todmorden
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Richard Scarr, his son Edwin and Edwin's wife Josephine are all buried in Phillips park cemetery. Church of England section. Grave number L1216.
Richard's name miss transcribed as "Searn" and should be Scarr.
He was buried on 13th Feb 1892 and was living at the address i posted above.
Edwin died age 56 and buried 8th June 1912 and was living at 90 Adrian street Moston
Edwin married Josephine Helmn 16th May 1891 at ST. Ann's church Newton.
Click here for a copy of the marrage certificate (https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysearch.org/records/trk%3A/fsrs/idgs%3A004497819.004497819_00069&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%253D)
Josephine Scarr nee Helmn buried age 72 and was still living at the Adrian street address at the time of her death.
Also in that grave is Sarah Brown died age 79 on 13th Dec 1931
Migky ;)
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1901 for Edwin Scarr
92, Adrian Street, North Manchester
SCARR, Edwin Head Married born 1856 Coach Painters Labourer Todmorden
SCARR, Josephine Wife Married born 1867 Preston
SCARR, Margaret Sister-In-Law Widow born 1875 Silk & Cotton Weaver Preston
HELNEN, George Brother-In-Law born 18 1883 Electro Plater Newton Heath ( think this should be Helmn )
Migky ;)
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1891 @ 203, Queens Road, Manchester
SCARR, Charles Head Married born 1859 Clogger & Shoemaker Todmorden
SCARR, Edna Wife Married born 1861 Weaver Pendleton
SCARR, Annie Daughter born1882 Newton Heath
SCARR, John Willie Son born 1885 Manchester
SCARR, Arthur Son born 1887 Manchester
SCARR, George H Son born 1889 Manchester
SCARR, Walter Son born (10Months) 1891 Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
SCARR, Edwin Brother Single born1857 Painters Labourer Todmorden
Migky ;)
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Following on from Migkys marriage find, this could be sister Sarah`s marriage. Was Helliwell really George Helliwell Scarr?
Marriage: 5 Dec 1883 St Oswald, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
Joseph Tom Brown - 30 Baker Widower of 46 Dickens Street
Sarah Scarr - 31 Domestic Spinster of 256 Stockport Road
Groom's Father: William Harpham? Brown, (deceased), Plumber
Bride's Father: George Halliwell Scarr, (deceased), Tailor
Witness: Thomas Reddish; Mary Hayward
Married by Banns by: W. E. J. Powell Curate
Mo
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Walter died in the first world war
Click for Wlater on the CWGC (http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=811481)
Born and enlisted Manchester.
Migky ;)
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Well the age is right for her Mo, as Sarah Brown died age 79 making her birth year around 1852.
Migky ;)
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I've not found a death for Helliwell, Though there is one for Helliwell Stott, the stonemason's apprintice, in Chesterfield. Helliwell is a very local name.
Mosiefish's suggestion seems good. A George Scarr is registered in Manchester Q4 of 1877, aged 60 (8d 200).
Betty Scarr seems to have died in Chorlton in Q4 of 1901 (8c 476), though I've not found her in 1881, 1891 or 1901.
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1871 at 81 Percival St, Manchester (RG9/4050 ED18 FOL92 PG2)
George Scarr, Lodger, M, 46, Tailor, Lancashire Todmorden
Staying with Joseph Gunson, Labourer.
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I take it the George Helliwell Scarr who is buried in Southern cemetery is named after his ancestor?
He was buried on 7th Oct 1960 age 71 along with Susannah Scarr who is buried on 18th Sept 1978 age 90.
Migky ;)
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Marriage, St. Chad's, Rochdale, 1843
George Scarr & Betty Kershaw (CE11/6/417)
Had to be Rochdale with the Kershaw name!
Fathers are John Scarr and William Kershaw according to Familysearch.
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Betty Scarr died age 81 and buried in Harpurhey cemetery manchester ( Wonder which one of us has a photo of the grave, Mo? Me, you or niether of us)
Buried Christmas Eve 1901. Nonconformist section grave number 305.
Migky ;)
Note Me, Mo and a group of us are photographing as many graves as we can from Harpurhey cemeyetery ( Manchester General Cemetery) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,481713.0.html
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ST. Chads is roman catholice so look like some one married out of there faith?
Migky ;)
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Familysearch also have a marriage in 1801 at St Chad's - John Scarr and Susan Helliwell.
Seems to be a very good bet for the origin of the name.
GENUKI had St. Chad's as CofE, founded before 1170.
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ST. Chads is roman catholic so look like some one married out of there faith?
Migky ;)
Doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who do ya fink thought it was ST.Chad's Cheetham :-[
Migky ;)
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Too much excitement for one day! After all we've gone back two whole generations!
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1891 @ 203, Queens Road, Manchester
SCARR, Charles Head Married born 1859 Clogger & Shoemaker Todmorden
SCARR, Edna Wife Married born 1861 Weaver Pendleton
SCARR, Annie Daughter born1882 Newton Heath *
SCARR, John Willie Son born 1885 Manchester
SCARR, Arthur Son born 1887 Manchester
SCARR, George H Son born 1889 Manchester
SCARR, Walter Son born (10Months) 1891 Manchester
Lancashire
SCARR, Edwin Brother Single born1857 Painters Labourer Todmorden
Migky ;)
Think i found Annie Scarr?
She married Herbert Edward CRAIGDAILLIE at Christ Church, Harpurhey 1905.
She died age 83 and is buried in Southern cemetery nonconformist section, grave number E1963.
Burie on 16th Sept 1965.
She is buried with :
John William Scare ( think it should be Scarr)
Florence Soarr ( again i think should be Scarr)
Edna Scarr
Charles Scarr.
Migky ;)
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Annie & Hebert CRAIGDAILLIE moved from 39 Durham street, Harpurhey to 59 Heald Avenue, Rusholme some time after 1911 and befor 1927 as they are at the later address then but not on the 1913 directory.
Migky ;)
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What can I say after that lot - absolutely amazing even if it has made me rethink the Aysgarth connection somewhat. It is still there going back to 16th century but I was not aware of the other Todmorden connections that you have included here. I did have the 1801 marriage of John SCARR and Susan HELLIWELL - now I have to try to find out where and when that name came to be in the family and why. Possibly associated with that marriage but there are usually specific reasons behind such a move.
Tomorrow will be spent sorting this lot out onto the tree.
Once again gentlemen, many thanks, should you ever come across the photograph of that grave it would be a nice addition to the setup.
George.
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Your welcome, by the way our Mo aka Mosiefish, is a Lady ;D
This is one of the reasons i change my name to MR.Migky as too many people thought i was a women :-[
Migky ;)
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OOOOOPS,
Amend my last message please following this last item to ' Lady and Gentlemen',
George. ::) ::) ::)
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Hi :D,
Wondered if you had seen this website. I have found it very useful for my Todmorden links - just had a quick look though and can't see any Scarrs although there are Helliwells and Kershaws.
http://www.todmordenandwalsden.co.uk/
Luzzu
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As well as the John Scarr/Susan Helliwell marriage 9 Aug 1801 you already have, Lancs OPC have this one too:-
Marriage: 6 Dec 1835 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Robert Radcliffe - (X), Over Looker of Todmorden
Susanna Scarr - (X), Spinster of Todmorden
Witness: Leonard Fortune, (X); John Grindrod
Married by Banns by: W. J. Hobson Curate
www.lan-opc.org.uk
Luzzu
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Have you seen this?:-
http://www.scarr.org/newsletter.htm
"A John went to Todmorden on the border of Lancashire and the family spread to various parts of both Yorkshire and Lancashire."
Can't see the name of the author though or any contact details.
Luzzu
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Hi Luzzu,
Mnay thanks for this information - I had a quick squint on the Todmorden/Walsden link at the census and found one SCARR family (Theywere transcribed as LEAN - the mind boggles) in Part I residing at Todmorden Barn Hall. I recognised them immediately despite the mistranscription.
As yet I haven't found a connection for the Robert RADCLIFFE/Susanna SCARR marriage but will keep a note of it - just in case.
The newletter I have printed off and will read later today.
Cheers ,
George.
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Hello
I am new to researching family history and by chance I stumbled across this site with posts relating to the Scarr family of Todmorden. My grandmother was Mary Scarr, the daughter of Richard Scarr (born 1851).
I would be grateful for any details relating to this family, past or present.
TIA.
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Hi Wokling,
I am having difficulty in responding to your message. Please confirm your Grandmother's Married Surname and the number of children she had.
I do not wish to offend you but I have been duped a couple of times into providing information.
Iban.
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To all those who have responded to my original query - If I have missed acknowledging your info please accept my sincerest apologies, I have been having difficulties with my PC over the last few weeks.
Iban.
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Have you seen this?:-
http://www.scarr.org/newsletter.htm
"A John went to Todmorden on the border of Lancashire and the family spread to various parts of both Yorkshire and Lancashire."
Can't see the name of the author though or any contact details.
Luzzu
Unfortunately this newsletter is not available online anymore but I have a copy of it. It was authored by Roy Scarr. Much research that everyone has on the Scarrs is attributed to him even though it was full of errors. Roy and I communicated quite frequently about 18 years ago!
Re Todmordon: not sure if this is useful but here is a snippet from my notes re James Scarr 19 Feb 1797 Spennithorne, Yorks who married Betty Ingham. James' parents were John Scarr (Hamby, Askrigg, a Mason) and Hannah Whitton. I don't have a Richard to this couple but have several other children. Here are the notes for James:
"Found a son John to James (a Mason) and Betty born in the DogHouse!. Baptised 17 Apr 1840. Also a son James baptised 23 May 1847 (his father james a Stone Mason.) This means his father James was still alive in 1847. Son James was baptised in Stansfield which is serviced by the post office in Todmorden."
Note this Todmoden lineage flows back to George Scarr and Sarah Coates of Helm. Many of the Helm Scarrs were stone masons. This is also my lineage.
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Have you tried "Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion"? Trouble is, once you start looking in it, you'll be online for hours.
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I am related to the Scarr's of Helm and Low Abbotside near Askrigg in Wensleydale and can trace back as follows
Thomas Scarr (d? 1669)
John Scarr (1647-1717)
George Scarr (1674-1733)
James Scarr (1713-1792)
George Scarr (1751 )
James Scarr (1766-1828)
George Scarr (1789-1850)
Wilson Scarr (1820-1852)
James Scarr b. 1851 Shaw Cote, Low Abbotside, 1939
GRANDMOTHER Isabel Agnes Scarr b. 1888 Low Abbotside, Yorkshire d.1975
DAD James Scarr Coates
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I am related to the Scarr's of Helm and Low Abbotside near Askrigg in Wensleydale and can trace back as follows
Thomas Scarr (d? 1669)
John Scarr (1647-1717)
George Scarr (1674-1733)
James Scarr (1713-1792)
George Scarr (1751 )
James Scarr (1766-1828)
George Scarr (1789-1850)
Wilson Scarr (1820-1852)
James Scarr b. 1851 Shaw Cote, Low Abbotside, 1939
GRANDMOTHER Isabel Agnes Scarr b. 1888 Low Abbotside, Yorkshire d.1975
DAD James Scarr Coates
Hi there,
We are cousins. My lineage is via James Scarr (1766-1828). Would be great if we could exchange research (I have 20 years of research material!) PM me your email address. Cheers