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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: stevehughes on Monday 24 January 11 09:05 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to trace my Great Grandfather James Lucas He married a Rosie Murphy sometime between 1894 and 1899 I've checked all the BMD's but can't find anything, he is on the 1901 census as being from Scotland and on the 1911 it says Newcastle wales, He was a Publican and apparently a Mason
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I make the place of birth from 1911 "New South Wales". The children match up though, which seems a good bet for being the same man as 1901.
No hint there of his marriage to Rosie, since he remarried.
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Have you seen his birth or death cert, or any of the birth certificates for his children.
If you knew where he was buried I suggest you go to look at the head stone as that may contain extra clues.
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There is a marriage in Q1 of 1901 of a James Lucas to Rosie JONES (Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended). Rosie might have been married before.
There's a possible birth registration for Edith Jones (Liverpool Q4 1894) but none showing for Edith Lucas.
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In 1892 at St. Peter's, Liverpool there's a marriage of Rosie Murphy to Henry Jones. There are several possible deaths of Henry Joneses, including one in West Derby in 1898 who would be the same age as your Rosie.
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Andrew you a star that's my man I never checked any time after 1899 as that's when my gran was born and they had a son in 1900, bit more gossip for the family
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Just had the Marriage cert through for James Lucas gives his age as 41 in 1907 his Father was a sheep farmer called Francis heriot Lucas
no idea where he is from either wales or scotland any ideas where I could find this
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Maybe from Ireland or the Isle of Man
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No I don't think so, it's just confusing as the 1901 census for him says he was born in Scotland but the 1911 says he was born in Newcastle Wales I can't find anything for him with his fathers name for either
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Do you know where he is buried?
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From the details we do have I think James was from Australia, possibly with scottish parents. However Lucas is not common in Scotland.
And I thought "Aussies behind every bar" was a recent thing!
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Andrew thanks for the help but he wasn't from OZ
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You say he isnt from Australia,
did you look at the census for a Francis Lucas born 1839 in Billinge Lancashire.he is a stone mason,
there may be a family connection,
1881,
RG 11/3783.
In the 1861 census he is the son of Hugh Lucas also a stonemason,
RG9/2785,
just another Lucas family to look at,
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No I don't think so, it's just confusing as the 1901 census for him says he was born in Scotland but the 1911 says he was born in Newcastle Wales I can't find anything for him with his fathers name for either
It would appear you have only seen the incorrect transcription,. May I suggest taking a look at the actual image.
Mo
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There is a place in Wales called Newcastle Emlyn.
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thanks scouseboy, that's correct it's in Monmouth but I still can't find anything for him there his father was Francis and is listed as a sheep farmer who was deceased by the time James remarried in 1907 and his marraige states him as 46 which ties in with 1865 birth date
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Hi Steve have you looked at the original 1911 yet?
Funny in all my time in researching, I can never recall a Farmer in the UK being called a "Sheep Farmer" in OZ yes!
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