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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: JeanH on Sunday 23 January 11 18:23 GMT (UK)
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My subscription to Ancestry is nearly at an end and I was considering moving to another site which included the 1911 Census. I then noticed that Ancestry says it is now providing the 1911 census. I had a look but could not understand what they have on offer. Seems to be some kind of reference to the census and not the actual census itself. I was trying to find somone in Leicestershire but all it showed me was that a "Joe Bloggs" lived at xxxx address with three females. Is this all we get or am I missing something?
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They dont have the full census up yet - just the Enumerators books, which can be of use, but only show a surname.
They say in a blog that they will release the full schedules for browsing over the coming months, and eventually index them as per other years.
So using the EBs and the imminent browseable schedules will help - a bit.
Personally I'd go for a 6 month FindMyPast 1911 in the interim, think they are offering a discount from normal rates at the moment?
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The Enumerators Records books in 1911 only show the head of the family, and annoyingly in many records the person is only listed as "Mr Xxxxxx". Not so bad if you know the street address.
Ancestry say that it's the transcriptions that will take the time to do, and in the interim period they are going to release the images without the transcriptions, but it's not clear how they are going to be indexed, so that they can be found.
I've taken out another year on FindMyPast - 1911 Census Only - the 6 month sub wasn't as good value.
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1911 is now on Ancestry - BUT - not searchable! You will still need to do your basic search elsewhere (if you know what I mean). You than have to save the image and upload as a picture (unable to attach just yet...............Its a pain).
Now it is..........will it remove the inability to ask for 1911 lookups? Over to you moderator(s)
Peter
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I think if you know where the family lived you can physically search through the pages by county, civil parish, sub-registration district, and enumeration district.
It's not too bad if you have an unusual surname - locate them in the summary books first, make a note of the details of parish and districts, then go to the '1911 census' and enter those in the 'browse' section on the right. Then you just have to go through the results page by page.
I successfully found a couple of familiesusing this method a while ago (I hope I've explained the process correctly - as I said, it was a while ago :-\).
I guess you can also use the 1911 census site to get the same details and then enter them into Ancestry's 1911 census boxes ...
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Easy to find 1911 on Ancestry if you bare looking at a small village as youbonly have a few pages to look at.I found all 4 records I wanted in Henley on Thames . Henley is a larger area and by looking at the 1911 summary records first you find the name you want.At top of this page is the registration district.Take note of this then go to 1911 search.top right hand you can pick county and town.This then comes up with all the registration districts and click on the one you want.The first page usually describes the district and with the aid of a map if needed to can work your way round.There are ,2 pages to each entry.The actual record is on the second page so you only need to look at even numbers.I found the roads by jumping forward 10 pages at a time .When the road came up I then I'd the search up and down.With the summary records you get the number of the house.I found this method quite quick but it needs patience.I would not like to search in a huge town though.
Hope this makes sense
Ringrose
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Forgot to add take note of the address from the Summary records.
Ringroee
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As someone has mentioned on a previous thread about this,if you can find your name in the Summary Books;
1,Open the 1911 Census in a new tab.
2.Take note of County and Parish details.
3.Take note of schedule number to the left of address.
4.Double the schedule number and enter in the image number box.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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That sounds much simpler than my account.
Thanks
Ringrose
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Well it works 99.9% of the time!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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"4.Double the schedule number and enter in the image number box".
Oh yes. To miss all the Front Covers, GOOD thinkin' Batman.
Took this old fella a min to work it out.
Peter
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1911 is now on Ancestry - BUT - not searchable! You will still need to do your basic search elsewhere (if you know what I mean). You than have to save the image and upload as a picture (unable to attach just yet...............Its a pain).
Now it is..........will it remove the inability to ask for 1911 lookups? Over to you moderator(s)
Peter
Our position on 1911 look ups has not changed.
Best wishes
The Rootschat Copyright Team
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Thanks for the clarification.
Peter
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Hi
I am not asking for a look up, just some advice for one of my stems. I have found the reference number of the registration district, the Sub District and the ED number. However when I try to find their name on the Enumerator summary lists so i can do the 'double the number trick( which works very well) I cannot find them, so am guessing they were not householders but lodging with someone. Is there a way of looking for such people without typing in the 312 schedule numbers in a search facility
(adding them onto the known RD SD &ED numbers) or by manually browsing 693 images ( no idea why the numbers don't add up exactly). Am I correct in assuming if the search gives the RD SD and ED numbers then the family will be there somewhere in that ED? Thanks.
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The latest LostCousins newsletter has described a method for finding out other people's names in a household using the free 1911 search on FindMyPast. It may help you to find a possible head of the household.
http://lostcousins.com/newsletters/endjul11news.htm
Good luck! :)
Koromo
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Thanks Koromo
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The latest LostCousins newsletter has described a method for finding out other people's names in a household using the free 1911 search on FindMyPast. It may help you to find a possible head of the household.
http://lostcousins.com/newsletters/endjul11news.htm
Good luck! :)
Koromo
Thats been on here in hints and tips for some time .... but of more interest, how can LostCousins display full search results (as an actual screen display) w/o incurring the attention of FindMyPast's sniffer dogs?
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Maybe FindMyPast's Copyright is not so exclusive anymore!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Maybe FindMyPast's Copyright is not so exclusive anymore!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Search results on FMPs website would be subject to FMPs copyright, whilst the actual data isn't, the layout etc on their website is. Of course Lost Cousins may well have had permission to reproduce them.
The issue with the 1911 census and FindMyPast isn't about exclusivity or about copyright, its about the Terms and conditions of FindMyPast subscriptions which specifically ban lookups. Not only do FindMyPast subscribers who breach the Terms and Conditions of their subscription run the risk of having their subscription cancelled, forums that allow those breaches to be published run the risk of legal action.
Andy
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WELL I FOUND HIM!!! :)
However it was by going through the images. I tried the tips that were offered - I don't use FindMyPast usually but didn't get any further at narrowing it down so decided to go in at the deep end. I opted to start at image 693 and work backwards - no idea why, just felt like it - and was rewarded at image 686. How lucky was I!!
I then tried to find him in the Summary book to see why I hadn't been able to locate him. He was in fact with his family and not lodging. The answer I found was a little worrying. The Schedule number was 343 however the summary books only showed entries up to 312 so no wonder he wouldn't show up! I have emailed ancestry to ask if the summary books are complete or a schedule has been misfiled somewhere.
My tip of the day from this is if an index tells you your person is in a particular RD SD and ED, then dive in and trawl the images and you may fall lucky as I did. Will let you know if I get a reply from ancestry.
Thanks for the tips on here for searching.
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Maybe FindMyPast's Copyright is not so exclusive anymore!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Search results on FMPs website would be subject to FMPs copyright, whilst the actual data isn't, the layout etc on their website is. Of course Lost Cousins may well have had permission to reproduce them.
The issue with the 1911 census and FindMyPast isn't about exclusivity or about copyright, its about the Terms and conditions of FindMyPast subscriptions which specifically ban lookups. Not only do FindMyPast subscribers who breach the Terms and Conditions of their subscription run the risk of having their subscription cancelled, forums that allow those breaches to be published run the risk of legal action.
Andy
Yes, a point I have made on here many times, but even Moderators continue to say 'Copyright isues' .... HOWEVER, their latest T's & C's read very differently ....
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/using-the-site/terms-and-conditions
What you can use the service for:
You can only use the website for your own personal non-commercial use, e.g., to research your own family history.
We are also happy for you to help out other people with their family history by telling them about records available on the website and how and where they can be found, including showing them anything within our free search results.
However, you must not provide them with copies of any of the records (either an original image of the record or the information on the results page), even if you provide them for free.
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Our position on 1911 look ups has not changed.
This Topic is now locked.
Best wishes
The Rootschat Copyright Team