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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset => England => Somerset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: merrymoo on Friday 21 January 11 17:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi, please :) could someone look up the bapt of Sarah Walling bapt Churchstanton 1796
thanks :) :)
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Hi there
Churchstanton St Peter and St Paul transcriptions are on line (see genuki under Devon as it was then) but there is nothing for a Sarah Walling. Where have you found the baptism date and place?
Shirl
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Hi Shirl,
1851 census she is married to William Moore in Lyme Regis birthplace Church Taunton, Somerset, year of birth 1795
1861 census, still married to William. birthplace Churchstanton, Somerset, year of birth 1796.
1841 census just says not born in Dorset.
I have looked at the Genuki Churchstanton baptisms and yes, there's no Sarah Walling. There are 2 Wallen children born at the right time to be siblings, William bapt 1788 and Betty bapt 1791 they are children of William and Sarah Wallen. William snr appears to have died aged 38 and a pauper in May 1794, causes unknown, and I suppose Sarah could have conceived a child right up to the point of his death thereby having the baby early 1795. I guess being newly a widow she may not have been able to afford to baptize her child or else she was baptized in a different parish.
Sarah snr died a pauper in Eckham (a tiny hamlet in the parish of Churchstanton) in 1844 and buried in Churchstanton. On the 1841 census she is named as Walling and is living in Churchstanton with her married daughter Betty and her family, called Burford.
Unless you or anyone else can thrown more light on this conundrum I can only assume I have the right parents.
Thanks, Diane
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Are you confident that Sarah junr was a spinster when she married William MOORE? I note that the IGI has a member-submitted marriage for them 06 Sep 1820 Honiton.
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Hi, I'm as confident that this is the correct marriage as I can be. Someone sent me a copy of the marriage record you found on the IGI and it clearly says spinster.
I have looked at this family from several angles and one reason for being confident that this is the correct marriage and that Sarah's maiden name was Walling is that her son is William Walling Moore and his son, Sarah's grandson, is given the name Walling Oscar Moore.
I did wonder if William Walling Moore was a child of a previous marriage but he was born in Lyme Regis in 1826 which was 5 years after William and Sarah's first child, Caroline (my g g grandmother) was born in Honiton, she was baptised in March 1821. (also IGI)
thanks for your help :) :)
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I had a look at the microfiche copy of the Churchstanton Baptisms, which prompted a question of whether there may be Bishops' Transcripts extant? From past experience I have found that register and BT entries do not always coincide, and BTs tended to be better presented! Although tax was payable at this juncture, it would have been waived due to the family's circumstances, so there would have been no impediment to baptism.
The only other suggestion I have is that it might be wise to cast the net a bit further afield. Some of 'my' GILLs of Churchstanton popped up in the registers of Clayhidon and Yarcombe, and one in particular, whose parentage I've been unable to prove, had his children baptized in several different parishes en route through Devon and Somerset.
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Hi, thanks for that, can I get Bishops Transcripts online? I will have a look to see what I can find out. :)
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Sorry, the BTs will not be available online but you could enquire if they're available at either Somerset RO or Devon?
I'm off out this afternoon so I can't investigate further at present.
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I will contact them and see what they can do.
I hope you enjoyed your afternoon out, it's been a lovely day, :D we climbed up to St Catherines Oratory near Blackgang Chine on the Isle of Wight where we live - steep climb but worth it for the views!!
thanks again for the advice, if you do happen across any info please share with me :)
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Some of 'my' GILLs of Churchstanton popped up in the registers of Clayhidon and Yarcombe, and one in particular, whose parentage I've been unable to prove, had his children baptized in several different parishes en route through Devon and Somerset.
Hi dee-jay, I have just seen this post, and wonder if we have ancestors in common? My Gills are from Churchstanton. They tended to stay put over the centuries, until my GGrandfather James Gill, born Dec 1822 son of James and Maria, joined the army in 1840 and probably never went back to Devon/Somerset.
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Some of 'my' GILLs of Churchstanton popped up in the registers of Clayhidon and Yarcombe, and one in particular, whose parentage I've been unable to prove, had his children baptized in several different parishes en route through Devon and Somerset.
Hi dee-jay, I have just seen this post, and wonder if we have ancestors in common? My Gills are from Churchstanton. They tended to stay put over the centuries, until my GGrandfather James Gill, born Dec 1822 son of James and Maria, joined the army in 1840 and probably never went back to Devon/Somerset.
Are you confident about James' parentage? These are extracts from my Churchstanton records:
Marriages:
10 Apr 1809 William GILL otp (sgd Wm) [? son of Henry/Mary bap 1787?]
Maria FROST otp (sgd) [No FROSTs feature in PRs]
Witnesses: Mary FROST (sgd) Elizabeth FROST (sgd) Thomas GAGE (sgd)
[NB See burial 1825 Mary [sic] (36 years) of Bush]
03 Aug 1827 William GILL widower otp (sgd) [signature same as Wm above]
Mary WARE widow otp (sgd)
Witnesses: Wm VEARNCOMBE (sgd) [S?] VEARNCOMBE (sgd)
[NB Banns of Marriage called at C/S Mar/Apr 1805 between
[Samuel WARE of Plymouth Dock & Mary DOBLE of C/S
[Samuel WARE (46) bur 12 Nov 1826 C/S of Fife-head Asylum, Otterford]
17 Apr 1835 John WARE
Elizabeth BENNETT
Witnesses: Wm GILL (sgd) [signature same as above] Mary GILL (sgd)
Baptisms:
08 Apr 1810 Isabel dau of William/Maria
27 Dec 1811 Hannah dau - ” -
07 Jun 1813 John son - ” - [? bur 1825 aged 12 years of Bush]
27 Dec 1815 Mary Ann dau - ” - Labourer of Grabhams
28 Jun 1818 William son - ” - Labourer of Churchstanton
12 Sep 1821 Henry son - ” - [? bur Sep 1821 aged 2 years of Eckam]
12 Sep 1821 [blank] William/Maria [? bur Jan 1822 George 6 mos of Eckam]
06 Jul 1823 James son of William/Mary [sic] Labourer of Bush
15 Jan 1826 Tom son of William/Mary [sic] Labourer of Buckleys
[NB: Burial 04 Dec 1825 Mary (36 years) of Bush]
I thought we had corresponded previously, as I remembered your use of the 'ff' when that was the ancient way of recording a capital 'F'.
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I am very confident I have the right James Gill, born Dec 1822 at Churchstanton, as indicated by a 1944 letter from my grandfather, and also James Gill's 1913 headstone at Derby. Thanks for including the information from the parish registers, but I already had it as I had transcribed it from the original registers in 1981. I have been researching this family for a long time! 😀 I recorded James Gill's parents as William and MARIA. His mother was named Mary only twice, both times in 1825 when her son Tom was baptised and when she herself was buried. My Gills lived in Churchstanton until sometime between 1835 when William witnessed his stepson's marriage, and 1841 when William and Mary were living at Clayhidon. In 1851 and 1861 William was at Wellington with his son William, and died there in 1863 aged 72. As Churchstanton was such a small parish, it seems likely that all Gills before 1841 were the same family. Some time later another family of Gills, blacksmiths, started living at Churchstanton, but I have not been able to connect them to my Gills. Are you connected to these later Gills, or the earlier ones?
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I recorded James Gill's parents as William and MARIA.
So your statement in your initial post in this thread viz: 'my GGrandfather James Gill, born Dec 1822 son of James and Maria' was a typo, which is why I questioned it and reproduced my extracts from microfiche copies of the PRs!
I believe 'my' James was the Defiance night-coachman who died in 1844 and was buried at Yarcombe, Devon. Sadly, he is recorded in the 1841 Census at Ilminster, Somerset, as born 'in County', but his wife and some children recorded similarly are known to have been born in Devon.
I also believe my line of descent is from Thomas, eldest son of Henry GILL dec'd 1808 late of Willands, Churchstanton, 30 acres held on a 1797 lease for 21 years. I do not know what became of Thomas or his wife Lydia (nee CRABB of Ashill) after baptism of several children between Churchstanton and Yarcombe but I have a Settlement Examination for a James GILL aged 13 dated 1818 which records inter alia that he was taken by his mother to an Uncle James CRABB at Northleigh [Devon], before returning a year later to serve Robert OSBORNE at Churchstanton for approx. 3 years.
I, too, have been researching a very long time but I only found a third death notice for my coachman as recently as a couple of weeks ago, in the Dorset County Chronicle 25 Jan 1844, so at the moment I have 2 Dorset reports and 1 Somerset but nothing yet for Devon. I live in hope that some day I encounter another descendant with a bit more knowledge of my branch or a more detailed obituary.
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Many thanks for your reply, and I apologise for being so dozy as to record my James Gill's father as James instead of William. So my William Gill born 1787 is a younger bother of your Thomas Gill. I have Thomas and Lydia in my tree, but lost track of them after they buried an infant son named James in 1802 at Churchstanton. I just recently discovered that their sister Hannah Gill married John Painter at Asthill in 1798, the same year that Thomas and Lydia married there. Thomas and Lydia Gill were witnesses to Hannah's marriage. I would love to compare details.