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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: DeanneandTony on Friday 21 January 11 10:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know if there is a list of burials and/or memorials for the English Cemetery in Bagni de Lucca in Tuscany? I believe my ancestor Capt John Martin Hanchett was buried there in July 1862.
Thanks
Deanne
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Deanne,
My husband is a direct descendant of Captain John Hanchett. Capt Hanchett's son John Justinian Hanchett(e) came to Tasmania in 1800s. There is an oil painting of Lt J M Hanchett and the ceremonial sword awarded to him at The Tasmanian Maritime museum. We are going there next week. There are letters written to JJ from Capt H in the Tasmanian Archives.
I am intrigued about a possible connection with the Melbourne Hanchettes. Have you used TROVE yet?
Cheers
Sandy :) :)
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Hi Again Deanne,
I have just found out that Capt John Martin Hanchett was the son of Captain John Hanchett and Frances Pryde. He was born at Low Leyton in Essex. The eldest son of JJ Hanchette wrote to Harpers Magazine to correct a statement in an article on the war between England and America that Capt JM Hanchett was the illegitimate son of George III. Wow - now I have more names. Did you find a record of the Capt's grave stone in Tuscany?
Cheers
Sandy B
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Hi Sandy
All of the Hanchette/Hanchett/Hanchant's are related including all of the Australian ones. I have lots and lots of information on them.
I have been through the Diaries in the Tas Maritime Museum and the Archives. I also have done a lot of other research on the good Captain.
We have found the records for his burial in Tuscany but not the actual gravestone as they are very worn. I have someone looking for me but they have yet to discover it even though we know where it should be.
Would love to talk more to you and your husband. I had contact a few years ago with John Justinian's grand-daughter (?) or gr grand-daughter in Melbourne.
Deanne
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Hi Again Sandy
And yes I have been on Trove. There are some questions regarding John Justinian I'd love answered too if you guys know the answers.
Deanne
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Deanne,
Even the Hanchetts in Western Victoria? Camperdown I think it is.
That could have been Maude's daughter (*), you spoke to in Melbourne. My husband, (*), is her older brother. Or it could have been (*)? Who knows.
I had no idea there were diaries at the Tasmanian Maritime Museum. Do you know which branch of the hanchetttes donated the sword and painting to the maritime Museum?
Have you read the notes transcribed for Capt Hanchett? We also have the family bible and other papers plus a copy of JJ's notes on his trip to Australia. Maude suffered a cerebral haemorage in 1992 just before we had to move to Canberra.
Did you see Justinian Martin Hanchette's letter to Harpers Monthly Magazine about the legitimacy of Capt J M Hanchett? Amazing stories. No connection to King George III after all.
This is all a new adventure to us who have never researched family before - an excuse to travel? How long have you been researching the Hanchetts? Just ask about JJ.
Great to hear from you.
Are we allowed to swap emails?
Cheers
Sandy
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Hi Sandy,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
I've removed some names from your last posting as these people are still alive.
Are we allowed to swap emails?
Yes, but please use the PM system for this, and for other personal data :)
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
regards,
Bob
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Sorry moderator - new to all of this - thanks for your help. I got carried away.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy
Can you please send me a personal message with your details. I just tried to send you one but for some reason your account is blocking me.
Very eager to speak with you and answer your questions.
Kind Regards
Deanne
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Sorry Deanne,
I think I blocked you. I will have a go now.
Sandy
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Thank you Sandy. I have just sent you a message.
Regards
Deanne
Yeah! Rootschat wins again!!! ;D
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It sure does, Deanne.
Go rootschat.com
I have tagged the relevant Hanchette info in Trove too.
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Look into this. It's the Old English Cemetery in Livorno. There is also a new one there.
http://leghornmerchants.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/burials-at-the-old-english-cemetery-of-livorno/
I found my husband's 3rd great grandfather there and even a photo of his grave.
Good luck
Hera
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John Martin Hanchett seems "interesting"
born 1780 died 5 July 1862
Married Irene Ann Brigman 1806 in Plymouth
Wounded in action and gets various awards
claims illegitimate sone George III, that has order of the Bath, see https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1819/may/17/petition-from-captain-hanchett dfor his begin dismissed for fraud in 1819.
He married Anna Stuart in 1840
offers suggestions to turn Crystal Palace into a Reading room.
Then married Elizabeth Ann Langworthy in 1853 at age of 70! She is my interest as she managed Kingsdown House Lunatic Asylum in Box which I have been researching. She has a court case Hanchett v Briscoe that sets out marriage as she tries to get money back from a trust she plundered.
I must wonder if he had syphilis - GPI - would not be surprised given in navy.
Love to know what is known of his life after 1835
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Hi Peter
I know a LOT about him :-) In the process of co writing a book on him right now (editing stage).
I don't think I have the marriage to Elizabeth Langworthy though.
Feel free to PM through rootschat.
For the Record - I don't believe he had syphilis. He had a number of health issues stemming from his war wounds but I don't believe that he had anything like this.
Deanne
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Thanks - just he is so litigious etc and with his ideas for the Reading room use of Crystal Palace and his paint for jet propulsion of boats he seems an odd man Then he does seem to like the courts - his case to get money back from/for Elizabeth - a child bride at her first marriage - She had an income from her Father that was expressly not for use of any husband [though he set up the same for all three daughters] - I Need to look at the case of langworthy v Church when I can as that forced the sale of 24 Circus which si house in case of Hanchett v Briscoe. Intrigued he married at 70 though. Three wives - how rich were each?
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Do let me know when the book is out! I want a copy!
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Hi Peter, this is so fascinating.
My husband is Captain Hanchett's great great grandson - his mother was his great grand daughter. The claim of being related to royalty was later refuted by a relative - (I am bit hazy on this as I have not read my notes for a while).
I have been in contact with Deanne for a while now.
All the best in these ring times,
Cheers
Sandy
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Thanks - and I see the image of Elizabeth Hanchett grave in Florence is online
My interest is principally the lunatic asylum and hte proprietors that came and went - it produced a handsome income for whoever owned it. Elizabeth first husband eloped with her and married her in Scotland when she was 19-20. He appears to have pinched the money set up for her in a trust fund by her grandfather, in 1841 to develop his lunatic asylum Longwood house by Bristol. His father Charles Cunningham Langworthy is famous for his sale of Metallic Tractors using Perkinean Electricity. Debunked by a Bath doctor in 1899 but they made him a fortune and he bought into the Mad house trade I presume to make even more money.
She married Hanchett in 1853 but we know not where. However ancestry website currently doing very misleading and inadequate searches of its records at present. Its been interesting trying to find out how she met him (he uses a Cheltenham address to write about turning Crystal palace into a Reading room.) and how she was attracted at age 50 to a 70 year old twice married man - he must have had some personality. She had an income form her fathers estate and John tries ot get money back from the estate of her grandfathers trustees. She declares she is a widow in the 1861 census even though he was not yet quite dead. - its all quite intriguing.
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Hi Peter
I've been reading up on Elizabeth, I had her name as Longworthy rather than Langworthy hence my having missed that information. The asylum information is interesting. What a character she was.
To my knowledge, neither of Capt. Hanchett's first two wives had money. Although I do know that the mother of his first wife Irene Bridgman left her possessions in a trust for her daughter allegedly so that JMH did not have access - I've yet to read the will but a descendant of Irene's brother has made that assertion.
Capt. Hanchett himself did very well when he was Comptroller of the Preventive Guard, however, after losing his position and his Naval pension wouldn't have had a lot of money at all.
I haven't been able to find the marriage of Elizabeth and JMH but from all accounts it was not a happy marriage and in later years certainly they lived apart. This was according to the daughter of the home where JMH lived in Bagni until his death.
He was certainly a character and I would say had a lot of personality. In 1856 in a letter to his son John Justinian (in Tasmania) he says, "we are knee deep in a Chancellery Suit about my wife's property, which I fear she has falsely represented to me. However, the middle of April will decide it." so maybe he did marry her thinking that she had money.
Will let you know when the book is published.
Kind Regards
Deanne
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thank - happy to send you what i have on her and Robert Austen - it will be as word document - have not worked out how to do this though. ;)
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Peter
check your Private messages on Rootschat - I have sent you my email details.
Kind Regards
Deanne
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Hello Deanne - I have just come across the fascinating Captain Hanchett and am looking forward to reading your book once it's published. Before then, I was hoping you wouldn't mind sharing what you know of the Captain's second wife, Anna Stuart. In their marriage record, she is described as a widow and the daughter of a Jonathan McGhie or M'Ghie. I'm very interested in the McGhie family, and - if Jonathan is who I think he is - I believe Anna may be the first cousin of one of the Captain's colleague in the Preventive Service, Captain James McGhie R.N., who was stationed in his latter years at Langton Herring, Dorset. I haven't found any records of Anna's marriage to a Mr Stuart, or of Mr Stuart's or Anna's death. Again, if she is who I suspect, she was born in Canongate parish, Edinburgh on 6 Aug 1793 to Jonathan McGhie, West India Trader, and his spouse Isobel McLauchlan. I have developed a fair amount of information on this particular McGhie family which may be of interest to you. However, without more information my suggestions as to her identity are speculative, and from your research into Cap. Hanchett, you may have developed a more accurate identity for Anna.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Malcolm
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Hello Everybody. I purchased a miniature painting, a watercolour, in Adelaide SA the other day because it reminded me of my brother as a young man. To my surprise there is a name on the back that says John Justinian Hanchette, and an inscription that I think reads aged 14 years and 10 months. There is also a faint swirly signature, maybe able to be seen under a better light.
After doing a bit of research, I found information about his diary in Tasmania so I telephoned the Tasmanian Maritime Museum about it last week in case they were interested to know of its existence, but they have not got back to me as yet. This is a very old thread so I do not know if anybody is watching it any more.
If anyone is interested I'm happy to send more details.
Liz
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Blimey!! Liz we are in Adelaide as well. I am the original poster of this and John Justinian Hanchette is my Ancestor.
We have just written a book on his father Capt. John Martin.
I will send you a message if I can.
Deanne
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Hi Liz, My husband's great grandfather is John Justinian Hanchette and we have the family bible here with us. I will try to send you more information another day. This is amazing as Deanne has commented.
Cheers
Sandy