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Title: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Thursday 20 January 11 23:49 GMT (UK)
 can you please help , edward walsh family , he was born , in 1856 in chatham kent , could someone please look up  for me on the  1861 census ,   think something to do  with the armed forces .   dont know much about him .   thankyou so  much     shirley
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 20 January 11 23:52 GMT (UK)
There is no 1861/71 entry with that profile

Do you have a copy of his marriage cert showing his fathers name and occupation

There is a birth entry on freebmd in 1856 in the Medway RD which included Chatham
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: suzard on Thursday 20 January 11 23:56 GMT (UK)
coul;d this be them -name entered as "Welch"?

1861
Brook
Chatham kent
Honorah Welch Mwife M 21 Manchester lancs
Edward son 4
Charles son 2
Mary daughter 2

children all b Chatham Kent
RG9 481 35 11

no head of house at home

Suz
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Thursday 20 January 11 23:59 GMT (UK)
no iam sorry i dont , all i know is that he married a mary cammack in st nichol lincoln ,   and he was in the army , i would like to find out his mother and father.  thankyou
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Friday 21 January 11 00:03 GMT (UK)
hi suz  ,  my surname is walsh  not welch , could this be right   thanks shirley
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 21 January 11 00:08 GMT (UK)
Perhaps this explains the spelling - did you check freebmd for the marriage?

Marriages March qtr 1890 
 
Mary Elizabeth Cammack    Lincoln  7a 592   
Edward James Welsh
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 21 January 11 00:11 GMT (UK)
You will find the marriage on the IGI pilot site - with fathers names

https://beta.familysearch.org/

Where did you get his birthplace from?
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Friday 21 January 11 00:12 GMT (UK)
hi suz , no i will look thanks .    shirley
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: suzard on Friday 21 January 11 00:23 GMT (UK)
this looks like the Charles "Welch" from 1861 - entered as "Welsh" this time

Danns Alley high St Kent
Edward Duggains? Head M 65 shoemaker Cork Ireland
mary wife 62 N America US
Charles Welsh grandson 12 Chatham Kent
Ellen Flinn Lodger 36 factory Ayrshire Scotland
RG10 904 101 8

Looks like every census has a different spelling of one  or another of this family

Suz
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: suzard on Friday 21 January 11 00:24 GMT (UK)
Marriage reg
Sept qtr 1855
Medway
James Welsh
Honora Duggan
2a 502

Suz
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: suzard on Friday 21 January 11 00:35 GMT (UK)
1841
Chatham Barracks Kent
Edward Duggan 35 soldier I
Mary Duggan 30 soldier's wife No
Margaret Duggan soldier's child No
Charles Duggan 5 soldiers child S
Honora 1 soldiers child No
HO107 487 14 24 16

Suz
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: suzard on Friday 21 January 11 00:57 GMT (UK)
wonder if this is James1856)' fther??

1861
1st Batt 60th Roy Rifles Western
Hougham Kent

vessell Heighs & Citadel Dover

James Walsh(Welsh?) 21 Private Chackmore Bucks
(no marital status given)
RG9 550 33 8

1851
Chackmore Bucks
Thomas Welsh (Welch?) Head M 45 lab Chckmore Bucks
Jane wife 43 Pidenton Oxon
George son 14
James son 12
William son 10
Hanah daughter 6
Eliza daughter 7mth

children all b Chackmore

HO107 1724 155 22

What do you think??

Suz
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Friday 21 January 11 08:14 GMT (UK)
hi suz , thanks for staying up late , all that sounds really exciting , it took me a bit to work out ,  i think ive got it now ,  this is a great help ,  it lookes like your on the right lines   , i think your right the problem is all this walsh ,welsh , welch  names on different sites  , i will keep all your info , and keep piecing it together. thankyou so much shirley
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: Jebber on Friday 21 January 11 10:32 GMT (UK)
On FindMyPast there are 10 images of Army records for Edward James WALSH born Chatham 1856, he served in the 10th. Foot. He was in Ireland at the time of the 1871 census, hence his absence in 1871.

Jebber
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: Jebber on Friday 21 January 11 11:12 GMT (UK)
An added extra, Edward names his mother Mary as next of kin.

The records also give  the date of his marriage to Mary Elizabeth CAMMACK as 28 February 1889, the year was obviously an error, Mary was taken on strength in December 1890.

Jebber
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Friday 21 January 11 16:26 GMT (UK)
hi  jebber , just got your notes , thats great news , so now we know why we could not find him , and his mothers name is mary , .so it could be he died in the war ,.   thankyou so much for your time and effort , 

           thankyou shirley
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: Jebber on Friday 21 January 11 16:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Shirley,

He was discharged form the Army on the 6 July 1891. He appears to have suffered a lot from ill health during his service with, amongst other things, Bronchitis, Tuberculosis, Anaemia and Ague with around fifteen admitions to hospital, but he still managed to serve his time of 21 years, and get his Long Service and Good Conduct medal.

He also received the India Frontier Medal with clasp for Perak. As well as sering in India he was in Gibraltar, Malta and the East Indies

Jebber
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Friday 21 January 11 17:14 GMT (UK)
hi jebber
thanks that sounds really bad doesnt it , he must have suffered , but still did all them years  , and all them place to travel to when your ill ,

my husband is out at the moment but i am know he will be so interested in all you have found  about his great grandad  its so good it bring tears eyes , he can now tell other members of his family your findings
  thankyou so much shirley
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: Jebber on Friday 21 January 11 17:24 GMT (UK)
Glad to have helped.

Jebber
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: Tim Sylvester on Tuesday 15 May 12 00:17 BST (UK)
HI,
The details of the marriage are as follows:

28-Feb   1890  Qtr 1 Vol. 7a/592, No. 224)
WELSH, Edward James, Sergeant Lincolnshire Regt of the Barracks, 33 yrs, S (Fthr Welsh, James, deceased soldier) AND   
CAMMACK, Mary Elizabeth, Atterby, Lincs, 21yrs, S, Lincoln St Nicholas (Fthr: Cammack, John, labourer)
Witness: Charles Vigor Mary Riddy
Banns both signed   
Fredk B Bleaker vicar   
Title: Re: walsh family chatham medway
Post by: hutchinson on Tuesday 15 May 12 14:17 BST (UK)
hi tim 
havent been  doing much research for a while ,  thankyou  so much for that info , you have now got my going again thankyou  shirley