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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: anitamo on Wednesday 19 January 11 15:09 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone, I would be interested to find which newspapers were published in Stroud around 1920 and would a divorce be written up. My Grandmother (Ellen Louisa Felton, was divorced by her husband (Charles Felton) in 1920 after she ran away with the man who became my Grandfather (Charles Webb)
She left her husband and three children, he left a wife and five children. I would love to contact the families of all these children ultimately, as they would all have been my Aunts and Uncles! However that is for the future perhaps.
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Hi,
I'm not sure if there would be an account in any newspapers but the file is available at National Archives; you can request a quote for a copy.
I've found 2 early divorces there; each copy cost under £10 and were sent by 1st class post. Some very interesting reading........ :o
The county archives should be able to tell you which newspapers were around in 1920.
Nanny Jan
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Thanks for replying ;) Nanny Jan, I found the divorce at the NA but I wondered if there was any mention in the newspapers about family etc. I will have to send for the transcript from the NA.
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My thoughts on this would be that divorce was still quite rare even in the 1920's and it would have been reported in the local papers at the time, with all the gory details!!!!
Not too sure about which papers, but I am sure some enterprising soul on here may be able to help
or alternatively contact the local Stroud library and they may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Thanks Plummiegirl, those were my thoughts too, I am hoping to go to Stroud again in the summer so I may get the chance to go into the library then. :)
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I wonder if anyone has had this problem. I found the divorce registered at the NA and sent for a quote using the info given on the NA site. The answer I got back was that there was insufficient information to find the divorce papers!! ???
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How strange. The reference appears to be J77/1612/40. Is that what you found?
Nanny Jan
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Exactly that NannyJan, I thought if I found the originals I could get the date and ultimately the newspaper info, but considering the problems I have had with this family there is no way I should expect it to be straight forward! ???
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I've had 2 sets of divorce papers sent from TNA without any problems.
Have you emailed them and asked them to explain?
Nanny Jan
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Sorry, I've only just spotted this thread ::)
The newspapers for the Stroud area at that period were the Stroud News and the Stroud Journal. They amalgamated at some point to become the Stroud News and Journal, which is still going.
I can certainly try to have a look for any information in 1920, although it might take a while to trawl through them. Divorces certainly don't seem to get any coverage in the current issues of the paper, but I've no idea whether they would have then. If you haven't found the divorce papers, I take it that you don't have a feel for roughly when in 1920 it might have occurred?
Angela
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Hello Angela, how kind of you to offer to look through the papers for me but I wouldn't expect anyone to go through that. I am hoping to be down in Stroud for a few days this spring/summer and will do this when I am there. All I have found from the N/A is that the divorce was in 1920 and I am hoping that as it would have been such an unusual event it would have been reported. I was surprised to even discover that there had been a divorce although I knew my grandparents had left respective families to be together. Even though my grandmother's husband divorced her they still couldn't marry until 1936 when my grandfather's wife died!
I will try contacting the N/A again and see if there is anything at all they can find.
Thanks again for your very kind offer.
Anita
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I seem to remember that I had the same problem!
The problem is that the FULL reference isn't immediately obvious.
And you don't necessarily enter the FULL reference?!
This is from TNA website:
Record copying
Catalogue references
Our computer systems are very strict about the way document references are written.
Invalid references:
First check the catalogue again to make sure that you entered the correct reference.
The catalogue reference numbers may be made up of up to three letter/number combinations, for example: HO 144/403/B23013.
Sometimes, if you enter a three-part code, you will get an error message.
If this happens, try removing the last part of the reference and put this part of the reference in the text box where you give us details of what you are looking for.
Example: The reference C 14/1186/T37 will give you an error. Instead, put C 14/1186 into the document reference box, and put the last part of the reference into the text box along with any other instructions or information you want to give us. For example: Toplis v Hurrell. Bill, certificate, five answers, replication, nine depositions - part T37
I think for my divorce papers I entered J77/12345 as the reference, and then 'part 310' or 'page 310' in the text box, along with the names of both parties.
I wasn't helped by the fact the my grandfather's surname was spelled incorrectly! (Garrard instead of Garrad)
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Thanks KGarrard, that is very interesting I will look at my application again as that isn't anything like I entered. ???
Thanks for your help.
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Thanks KGarrard,
See?! Even you spelt it wrong!! ;)
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How rude of me I am sooooo sorry!
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Just thought I would let you know after following the advice given I have successfully ordered the divorce papers. There was nothing wrong with the original request and the answer came back negative within two days. This has taken ten days so perhaps it has taken a little longer to locate. However hopefully it is on it's way. Thanks for you help everyone. :)
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Hurrah, the divorce papers have arrived at last and they have been well worth waiting for. Loads of extra information including another child that I didn't know about! The main thing though is that although Charles and Ellen Louisa were married in Stroud he had moved to Kidderminster by the time of their divorce and she was living in Sheffield.
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Success!! Lots of new information for you as well. :D
Nanny Jan
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Very definitely success Nanny Jan, some new addresses to check out too. Thanks for all the help! :)
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I'm sooooo pleased for you ;D (and a teeny bit envious too..... ::) )
How great that the NA finally came up trumps!
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Hi I have no idea how you are doing with your Webb tree. I do know that the Webbs of the Stroud area were originally Clothiers, I am working on this now but its difficult. I do know that the Webb line ended up bankrupt after the nepoleonic wars. When returning men returning from the war could not find work due to factories being built for the weaving of cloth. Causing widespread rioting. If you know about this or more I would like to hear from you. My line is From Thomas Webb 1597 Derek
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Hello Derek, thanks for replying, after five years of chasing the Stroud Webbs I have discovered that I am looking at the WRONG family, to say I am devastated is an understatement and it was down to the fact that my Charles from Kidderminster married a Stroud woman ....he was born in the same year as the Stroud Charles and both had a James as a father born in the same year!!!!!!! Disaster. I am now in pursuit of the Kidderminster Webbs.
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Hi Its always a blow when that happens Ive been working on my tree for 20 years. Over the last two years I have also been following two lines that were incorrect. A lot of work wasted. Derek
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Had a look for Charles Found one for 1870. kidderminster. Father James a carpet planner. On one site a christening has his mother as Elizabeth. The census says her name is Martha. Is this your line as I could look further.
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Yes this is my lot Derek and I have them back to the 1841 census with James as a 4yr old..parents Thomas and Mary.
I have James married to Martha Hall Nov 25th 1861.
Charles is my grandfather and he married Leah Whitehouse 21st Feb 1897. We believe they had four children and then he left Leah and came to Sheffield with my grandmother Ellen Louisa Felton nee Eldridge...she was also married with four children and she left them with her husband He divorced her in 1921. My grandparents couldn't marry until Leah died in 1935...my dad was 18yrs old then. We never knew anything about it at all until I started FH research.
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Thomas Webb 19 May 1836 Kidderminster,Worcester,England spouse: Mary Hayward
I have this marriage, I have also his birth if you want it.
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Hi Derek, I wonder which Thomas this is as James' father was at least 37 in the 1851 census and their son Thomas was eight years old
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Thomas Webb James father married Mary Hayward in 1836. James was born 1837 1 year later I will add this as a new tree on my ancestry site and see where it goes. Derek
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Thank you Derek, I misread your last post....that's what happens when I get excited about new information. I have added that info to my tree. I am not on Ancestry anymore as I can't afford it now, pensions don't stretch to such luxuries these days but I would love to hear form you again if anything turns up.
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I can send you an invite for the tree Ive built it may be right, Im not sure. I have the parents of Mary Hayward, and that part goes back a few generations. Not much on thomas yet However the closest match i have is son of john and sophia christened 21 May 1815 worcester or two born 1812 and 1811
kidderminster both have different parents. Jhn and sophia i looked up. the only pair i could find were the right age and lived in worcester, but he was a surgeon ? Derek Happy to help
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Thank you so much Derek, that sounds brilliant, mind you a surgeon sounds a bit upmarket for my lot I think. It is typical that his family is elusive....it seems the Webbs always are!!!!!!
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Hi If you have an ancestry account I will need you user name to send an invite if not your email. You can email me at (*) If you have any questions.
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By the way just because someone in your tree is poor in the 1800s dosnt mean the family always was.
The old system of eldest inheriting the bulk of any estate, meant that the youngest usually had to make the best of what they got. Also the Webbs of Bisley ended up poor because one of them went bankrupt. Derek It is unlikley that he was the son of john the surgeon. But however being a surgeon in the 1700s didnt mean you were wealthy.
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Hi Derek, thanks for all your interest. I really appreciate your help. My account with Ancestry is under the name of anitacmorris1 and my email addy is (*) I know that many of the surgeons in the 1700 were mainly barbers and not necessarily wealthy, however the Kidderminster link seems to be connected with the carpet and upholstering industry.
Thanks once again.
Regards
Anita
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I have sent you an invite let me know if its correct or not and I can adjust it for you. Hope this helps Derek.