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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Waterhouse on Tuesday 18 January 11 12:06 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace the Tress family link the in the ancestry of Sir Francis Tress BARRY.
General web searching has produced an unsubstantiated link through Sir Francis' mother, Harriet ADES, who married Charles Barry (place unknown) in 1820.
Harriet is noted in the same web source as being the daughter of Robert Ades of Brede and his wife, Ann Maria Jane TRESS. However, in the 1841 and 1851 census returns, Harriet (who lived with Charles Barry at Orpington Priory in Kent), gives her place of birth as Middlesex.
I can find no trace of Ann Maria Jane Tress or of an Ades-Tress marriage. Sussex records produce the baptism of a Harriet Tress in Brede, but to different parents (checking back, the mother of this 'Harriet' was not a Tress prior to her marriage). Charles Barry is named in some Tress family legal documents of the late 18th - early 19th centuries, but with no mention of any family relationship.
The Tress family, to which I am distantly related, were yeoman landowners on the Kent-Sussex border and around Rye. Francis was a name commonly given to first-born sons, strengthening the likelihood of a link with Sir Francis Tress Barry.
Given the cross-county border history of the Tress family, I am also posting this query on the Kent forum.
Anyone with any intelligence on this, or links to the Tress family is welcome to get in touch - here's hoping....
Thanks in anticipation,
Waterhouse
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Hi Waterhouse
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Harriet Ades married Charles Barry at Northiam
22 Aug 1820
Extra info,Charles,St Olave Hart St London
Will see what else i can find
Kind Regards
omega
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Hi,
According to information on the Familysearch site, Robert Ades married Ann Maria Jane Niblett at Dorking on 10.06.1797. Their daughter Harriet was born in 1798. I have no idea where the 'Tress' comes from, I'm afraid.
Hope this is of some use.
Lesley
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Thanks for the help Omega and Lesley.
The Niblett marriage looks like real progress, as a Benjamin Niblett married Sarah Bates - whose mother was Martha Tress, daughter of Francis Tress of Bodiam - in Marylebone in 1799.
But that is where things stop for the moment. The parents of Ann Maria Jane Niblett are Harry Niblett and Elizabeth (nee Starr) who married in Dorking in 1773.
This suggests Ann and Benjamin could be brother and sister, or possibly niece and uncle.
But this still makes her closest link to the Tress family her sister-in-law's mother or her uncle's wife's mother.
The search continues, but it does feel more positive now.
Waterhouse
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A correction to my last post. Martha Bates, nee Tress, was the daughter of John Tress, son of Francis Tress (died 1727) of Sandhurst Kent. John's nephew, Francis Tress married Charlotte Ades - the couple had no children.
Might the link be traced back through the Ades line rather than the Niblett?
Waterhouse
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Hi Waterhouse
I have only just seen this posting.
I have made an extensive study of the Ades family of Sussex and Kent as my 4x great grandfather Thomas Ades lived at Brede Place at around the year 1800.
I can confirm the following information:
Robert Ades who was born at Northiam, East Sussex in 1772 married Ann Marie Jane Tress at Dorking Surrey on 10 June 1797. They had a daughter Harriet Ades who was born at Brede Place in 1798 and she married Charles Barry at Northiam on 22 August 1820. They had a son Francis Tress Barry born in 1825 who later became a baronet. More information on his line is available in great detail at www.thepeerage.com. I have no further information on Ann Marie Tress except that her parents were Thomas Tree and Jane Jeffrey but this has not been checked out.
Robert Ades' sister Charlotte was born at Brede in 1770 and married Francis Tress at Brede on 11 July 1793. They had no children that I am aware of. Francis was baptised at Rye in 1776 to parents Stephen Tress and Mary Swaine who married at Rye on 19 November 1771.
As two Ades siblings married two people with the surname of Tress it is likely that they are related possibly as cousins.
I hope that this information is of use.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks for the kind reply Roger, but there is an anomaly in the marriage of Robert Ades. You say this was to Ann Marie Jane Tress, but the information from Lesley (above) shows that the bride's surname was Niblett; subsequently I found this name given for the marriage in records, too.
Do you have any confirmation that the bride was a Tress rather than a Niblett? In further research (see my earlier post above), I did find a link between the Niblett and Tress families.
Kind regards
Waterhouse
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Hi Waterhouse
Apologies!!! I had failed to identify that my source had been updated and Lesley is correct that Ann Marie Jane's surname is Nibblett. I also now have her parents as Harry Nibblett and Elizabeth Starr.
Francis Tress is confirmed as the husband of Charlotte Ades. He was fairly wealthy as they lived at Gate Court Northiam and must have been close to Charles Barry who was an executor of Francis Tress's will hence the child of Charles Barry and Harriet Ades was named Francis Tress Barry after him.
Kind regards
Roger
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I have just come across your message. The Anne Maria Jane you talk about is Anne Maria Jane Niblett not TRESS. She married Robert Ades on 10 June 1797 in Dorking, Surrey. Her parents were Harry Niblett and Elizabeth Starr.
Hope this helps.
Judy Berntsen
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I have just stumbled across your query written over a year ago. I hope I'm not too late with the reply. I, too, am related to the Tress Barry family. Charles Barry, who married Harriet Ades, was my great great great grandfather on my mother's side..!! I have only recently got into genealogy and have a some information on the Barry family if that is of interest to you. Get in touch.
Wizdimic
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Do you happen to have a death date for Anna Maria Jane Ades (nee Niblett) at all please. Also her parents details as well if possible.
Many thanks.
Judy
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Hello Judy, thanks for your contribution. If you refer to the earlier reply in this thread from Roger, I think it has the details you need. He also helped me determine that there is no blood link between that part of the Barry family and my Tress ancestors. Thanks for your contribution and good luck with your searching.
Waterhouse
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Hello Judy,
I'm afraid I am unable to help with the death date of Anna Maria Jane Ades. My links with the Ades family start and finish with Harriet Ades who married Charles Barry (my great great great grandfather) in 1820. Of the 14 children they had, one was Francis Tress Barry, 1st Baronet of St Leonard's Hill, Clewer, and in his time, conservative MP for Windsor. I have a good deal of information on the Barry line but not the Ades............sorry.
Andy
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The following may be of interest to those exploring the Tress family of Sandhurst:
5 April 1750 Ref: U1001 T43-T48 - 31 Geo. Release (Bodiam Mill website) :-
Francis Tress of Sandhurst, gent. to William Reeves of Bodiham, victualler, and Robert Reeves of Bodiham, lighterman, father of William Reeves.
For Ð60 from William Reeves, and for Ð80 as directed (total 140) The Swan, near Cobbeach Green in Sandhurst, and Stable Yard, Gardens, Orchard &c, occupied by Thomas Witherden.
The Stable is adjoining and built against a Smith Forge belonging to Francis Tress, occupied by Benjamin Brann, and the garden is lately divided and fenced off from another part occupied by Benjamin Brann.
William Reeves of Bodiam, victualler, father Robert Reeves, lighterman.
Marriage by Licence
My interest arises because I'm tracing the descendants of Robert Reeve who are in turn the ancestors of Alec Reeves who in the 1930s invented the basic technology for modern digital communications. David Robertson
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