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Hi
Where can I find information from Muster lists? I am looking for families in the Keysoe area - Woolston and Freeman.
Rosie
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I have the Beds Historical Record Society book "Bedfordshire Muster Lists 1539-1831", in which the north Beds villages are well covered, and the 1803 list acts almost as a census for men age 17 to 55. Can you give us a bit more information on the people you're looking for.
In 1803 the only name I can see in Keysoe is Thomas Woolstan labourer Class 4 Volunteer married (class 4 covered unmarried men age 50-55; married men over 30, and married men 17-30 with more than 2 children under 10)
David
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Hi David
Thank you, I had wondered if it was online somewhere and I was missing it. ::)
I believe that Thomas was probably my direct line so that information is much appreciated. I had just wondered whether there were any other Woolstons in evidence at that time who could have been the father of my John born c1782 as I have not located a christening for him. John obviously does not come into the categories to be on the Musters.
(John married at Dean in 1807 and the first child he had in Keysoe was christened 1809.)
As for the Freeman's other peoples trees seem to have them living in Keysoe at this time but I can't find anything on PR's prior to about 1816 when Jeremiah married Diana Stapleton. I was just wondering if the Musters showed any others in case I was missing something.
Thank you for looking
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
There are no Freeman burials in Keysoe 1700-1851
Woolston burials in Keysoe are
John 30 May 1810
Sarah age 80? 25 Dec 1827
Thomas age 66 23 Apr 1824
David
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Hi David
Thank you for the confirmation that there are no Freeman burials, as far as I was concerned the family were from Chelveston, Northants so that clears that up for me.
The Woolston burials are the only ones I spotted around this time and I have 'assumed' that Thomas and Sarah were Johns parents and John his grandfather until I find anything to the contrary. I have Johns burial as 'widower' and would imagine he was too old to be on the Musters.
Out of interest are there many Woolstons on the Musters in Bedfordshire ?
Rosie
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No, the only Woolston/an was Thomas in Keysoe, although the 1803 musters are largely missing in the rest of the county, other than the parishes north of Bedford.
If John was 17 or older in 1803 then he should appear in the muster as 1st class ie 17-30 unmarried, no children under 10.
As he doesn't appear it implies that he was from elsewhere, or was living elsewhere in 1803. There are very few Wollaston/Woolston names anywhere in Beds - there's a John Wollaston in Wimmington in 1803, owning 1 cart and 1 horse, but he doesn't appear in the muster (although it appears he should have done as he was buried in Wymington age 82 in 1843). There was also a John Woolaston age 30 class 4 labourer, in the 1803 Stagsden muster. But neither of these Woolastons look like your John in Keysoe.
The fact there's no burial of a wife of grandfather John also points to them moving into the village from elsewhere
David
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As for the Freeman's......... I can't find anything on PR's prior to about 1816 when Jeremiah married Diana Stapleton. .....
You say the Freemans are from Chelveston ...
Was Jeremiah baptised there on 1 Apr 1792 - son of Charles & Mary
Have you seen the Rushden Heritage site's page on the village..
http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Chelveston/index-Chelveston.html
regards
John
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No, the only Woolston/an was Thomas in Keysoe, although the 1803 musters are largely missing in the rest of the county, other than the parishes north of Bedford.
If John was 17 or older in 1803 then he should appear in the muster as 1st class ie 17-30 unmarried, no children under 10.
As he doesn't appear it implies that he was from elsewhere, or was living elsewhere in 1803. There are very few Wollaston/Woolston names anywhere in Beds - there's a John Wollaston in Wimmington in 1803, owning 1 cart and 1 horse, but he doesn't appear in the muster (although it appears he should have done as he was buried in Wymington age 82 in 1843). There was also a John Woolaston age 30 class 4 labourer, in the 1803 Stagsden muster. But neither of these Woolastons look like your John in Keysoe.
The fact there's no burial of a wife of grandfather John also points to them moving into the village from elsewhere
David
Thank you David.
The only evidence of Johns age is the 1841 census where he is listed as 55 and his death certificate in September 1846 which gives his age as 62. I don't think the informant on the death was related so probably a guess. Both ages mean I have only estimated when he was born, the death cert would make it approx 1784 so not much help really.
I only have Thomas and Sarah as possible parents and John as possible g'father as they were buried in Keysoe. Thos and Sarah married in Keysoe in 1778 and I have no evidence of any other children for them, all of the Woolston's living in Keysoe except the vicar and his family are the descendants of John and Elizabeth (Hankins).
Anyway, thank you for your time - I saw the other post you answered on Musters and realised that I hadn't looked at that option so thought that it was worth asking.
Rosie
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As for the Freeman's......... I can't find anything on PR's prior to about 1816 when Jeremiah married Diana Stapleton. .....
You say the Freemans are from Chelveston ...
Was Jeremiah baptised there on 1 Apr 1792 - son of Charles & Mary
Have you seen the Rushden Heritage site's page on the village..
http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Chelveston/index-Chelveston.html
regards
John
Hi John
Yes, it is the Jeremiah son of Charles and Mary (Stratton) christened 1792. :)
No I hadn't seen that web page, thank you very much for the link - it looks as though it will keep me quiet for a while, what a lovely selection of topics to browse.
Rosie
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From the Keysoe Parish records Transript up to 1812
Baptisms
30 Oct 1757 Thomas, son of John & Jane Woolstone
25 Dec 1785 John, son of Thomas & Sarah Woolston
09 Jul 1809 Hannah. daughter of John & Elizabeth Wollston
Marriages
13 Dec 1753 John Woolstone to Jane Meanly
16 Oct 1778 Thomas Woolston, bach to Sarah Clark, spin
Burials
30 May 1810 John Woolston, widower
So... they only had one child each perhaps..
Thomas who married Sarah, was son of John & Jane
John who married Elizabeth Hankins at Dean in 1807, was son of Thomas & Sarah
And ...the Thomas who David found on the Muster List is most likely the one married to Sarah, son of John
John, the widower who died 1810, is the husband of Jane: but when/where did she die?
Thomas who died 1824 age 66, was son of John & Jane
Sarah who died 1827 aged 80? was wife of Thomas, perhaps
regards John
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perhaps answer lies in Riseley....
baptism 5 Oct 1712 of Jane, daughter of Richard & Jane Meanly
buried 24 Dec 1712 of Jane Meanly - infant overlaid
baptism 29 Sept 1717 of Jane, daughter of Richard & Jane Meanly
marriage 16 May 1710 of Richard Meanly to Jane Rudd
baptism 7 Mar 1713/14 of John, son of Francis & Jane Woolstone
burial 12 Oct 1730 of Francis Woolstone, labourer- fever
burial 29 June 1793 of Jane Wolleston, pauper
? but she could be widow of Francis
or wife of John Woolstone who married Jane Rands on 26 May 1713/14
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Hi John
Many thanks for all of the information. ;D
For some reason I had not found John bapt 1785 even though I had the marriage for Thomas and Sarah and their burials. I obviously wasn't thorough enough with the PR's (It was a long time ago)
Neither did I have Thomas's christening or John and Janes marriage so I am eternally grateful for that.
I am not too sure about the Jane Meanly in Risely though - I thought that John who died in 1810 was aged 80 which would make him bn c1830 so I will have to check that but I shall certainly look at the Riseley Woolstons and Meanly's. I had been looking at a possible candudate in Pertenhall. You have certainly given me food for thought.
Unfortunately my local LDS shut 2 years ago, supposedly temporarily but we are still waiting for it to reopen - some hope, so I can no longer access the PR's as easily. At least most of Bedfordshire are on the IGI ???
Many thanks John.
Rosie
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I doubt if John who died in 1810 had an age against the burial - not many pre 1813 burials had an age. It was Sarah in 1827 where her age is shown in transcripts as 80?
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Hi John
I doubt it too ::) I haven't actually noted that it said 80 whereas I had on Sarah's so I think I just put his approx birth date as 1730, it was probably a 'rounded' guesstimate as I was trying to link him to Thomas who I knew was supposedly 66 at death and therefore born c1758.
The good news is that you have helped me past Thomas and Sarah and confirmed that John is their son so I'll look properly at Riseley as I am sure you are probably right. It's good to get going on this family again.
Many thanks
Rosie
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Just to say there is a copy of the Bedfordshire Muster Lists for sale at County Town Books, 7 High Street Bedford for £15.00 if anyone's interested.
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For Regular soldiers it is worth looking in UK National Archives too [useful for French Wars] - It seems easier to search by village. It gives name & age etc
Cant see anything for your people - but it is worth looking sometimes.
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Hi
John, thanks for the info on where there is a copy of the Bedforshire Muster Lists. :)
I think my priority now should be a copy of Keysoe PR's as there seems to be info on there not on the IGI, I had thought it was 100% covered for most of Bedforshire parishes. I must also consider the same for Riseley :)
cathymcc, Thank you also.
I have already searched TNA, Ancestry and FindMyPast army records. It doesn't look as though my Woolston lot liked the armed forces. ::) I was really trying to see which of them were in Keysoe early 1800's
Rosie
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I know this posting is quite old...and says completed - but I have only just found it.....
As far as my own research goes.... John Wolston & Elizabeth (Hankins) had several children....after Hannah 1809 (bp. at Keysoe) who I didn't have!
They had:
Sally bpt. at Dean 25 Dec 1810
William 1813 (Dean)
John - born 1819 (but not baptised until 1830 at Keysoe)
Elizabeth (don't have date)
George 1821
Jane 1825 - she married Robert Flanders & gave her father as John)
Thomas
James
John
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Hi KathyM
They also had Jabez born 28th May 1836, christened 26 Feb 1837 at Keysoe. John bn 1819 is my gt grandfather. Do you have connections to this family?
Rosie
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Hi Rosie.....not directly connected - but I am putting together a family tree as a Christmas pressie for (this is going to sound weird) my ex-husband's new wife. We are all very friendly !
Her great great grandma was Hannah Woolston (born 1842) who married George Stringer. Hannah was the daughter of William Woolston/Wolston(b.1813) & Ann (nee Cunnington).
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Hi KathyM
If there is anything you want to know PM me. :)
Rosie