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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: swarner on Sunday 16 January 11 22:31 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the family of my gr gr grandfather, Samuel Skinner Warner, who was born in 1822. He left Bantry in 1840, at the age of 18, with his brother, Robert James Warner, and went to Canada. His parents were (possibly) William Warner (b. 1792) and Mary Skinner, who were married in 1813. I believe William and Mary died when the children were young. He would have had other siblings, besides his brother Robert, possible sisters Ellen and Hannah. Ellen married a John Newman in 1840. Looking for any information on Warners or Skinners in southwest Cork. Areas of interest - Bantry, Skibbereen, Baltimore.
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Do you know where Ellen Warner and John Newman got married?
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As far as I know Ellen Warner and John Newman would have been married in Bantry.
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If the family were RC, there are church records for Skibbereen area available to view on www.irishgenealogy.ie There are more records for West Cork due to be added in the next few months so Bantry should be among them.
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Thank you for your help. The Warners in Bantry were Protestant. They seemed to follow the Irish naming tradition which has been a help in trying to piece the families together, except that made for a lot of William Warners. Robert, John, Joseph and Thomas were other common Warner names in Bantry. The estate papers from Bantry House has also helped. When leases were signed, it was for 3 lives, which was usually the 3 oldest children. The only information in my gr gr grandfathers bible was that he was born in Bantry Aug. 15, 1822. He started the bible when he came to Canada. He did not name his parents or siblings. His middle name was Skinner which I assume is his mother's maiden name. I know there are Skinners around Baltimore and Skibbereen but have not been able to find any information on them. There are Skinner stones in the old Tullagh Cemetery in Baltimore. Trying to make the connection between Warner and Skinner.
Are there any early records of marriages, births, deaths etc. from Bantry around or were they all destroyed??
Shirley (nee Warner)
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I assume your Warner family were Church of Ireland ?
The term Protestant includes a number of denominations.
The town of Bantry is in the Civil/Church of Ireland parish of Kilmocomoge, and according to the latest list I have from the RCBL the marriage records they hold for this parish go back to 1845. Baptism and burial records got back to 1880.
For some details on Bantry and a mention of the parish see : link (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/B/Bantry-Bantry-Cork.php) (Samuel Lewis 1837 - Library Ireland)
Shane
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Adam Newman was a prominent landlord in the area in the late early-mid 1800's. His name is in the Caheragh tithe applotment (1827).
A book I have says Adam Newman lived in Betsboro, and was probably "the most infamous landlord" in the area at the time of the famine. He died in 1879. (maybe a father and son)
Also there is a Henry Newman in Francis Guy's 1875 directory. He was an elected official of the board of guardians and lived in Betsborough.
I mention these names because the Newman surname is uncommon in these parts.
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There is a William Warner listed for Reenadisert and also for Dunbittern in an 1829 Application for the registering of a freehold in the barony of Bantry. Also a John Warner for Dunbittern.
There is a John Warner listed in Dromleigh in the Kilmocomoge Tithe Applotment (close to Dunbittern).
Reenadisert and Dunbittern are on the Sheepshead side of Bantry; Reenadisert is northwest of Bantry out on a tiny little peninsula wedged between Sheepshead and Beara.
Other than what is listed on this page, I have no other information.
http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/potpourri/corkancestors.com/Bantry.htm
(The page is one of many pages I sought permission to curate from the former owner and I am currently in the process of restoring.)
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Thank you "skibbgirl" for your informaion. These are MY Warners, Bantry, Dunbittern, Reenadisert. Thank you again. Every bit of information is greatful.
shirley
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Hello all. I am in need of some help and guidance in the search for my Grandmothers family. Her name was Elizabeth Manders b 1865 d 1940. She was the daughter of Mary Manders (Nee Warner) who was the daughter of William Warner of Bantry. William owned creameries in Killarney, Enniskeane and Ballinacarrigathe and in partnership with his son-in-law James Manders (Mary's husband) he started a factory in about 1880 at William Street in Bantry for the processing of butter for the export market.
James and Mary had eight children that survived into adulthood. 2 boys and 6 girls. 3 of the girls never married. I have been unable to trace what happened to one, Lillian b1891. One was, I believe my Grandmother, Elizabeth. The last Margaret b1895 did marry and have two children a girl Margaret b1932 and a boy Gerald b 1928. I have been unable to find what happened to them.
I am particularly interested in finding a living female relative who has descended from the same parents as Mary Warner down the female side. That can of course include any of the descendants of female siblings of Mary. Desperately hoping for your help. Whitemill
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Dear Whitemill
I have not had my books out in a long time. I will get them out and see if there is anything in them that may help. I may be able to pass your message on to someone else to see if they have any info and will get back to you as soon as I can. I not been on rootschat for many years so this was a surprise. It would be easier for me to correspond with you. There are questions I would like to ask you.
Shirley
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I have sent my EMAIL. Thanks so much for your very speedy response to my request for help. Whitemill.
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Re your message 9 February 2018
Really good to see your message! Lilian Manders was my great aunt. As you say, she never married and in her latter years lived with her niece, Dorothy, in Cork. Auntie Lil passed away in 1973. All of her siblings had died before I was born (1962) but I have lovely memories of Lil.
Some of the info I have is different to yours, but I'm aware of the connection to the creamery in Bantry. Margaret Manders (1894-1957), one of Elizabeth's sisters, married Richard Baker and had two children, Robert Norman (b1926) and Dorothy Margaret (1932-2014). Robert (Bob) is my Dad and is still living. He will be 96 in September. Dorothy never married.
I wasn't aware that Elizabeth had any children. Did she marry Maurice Joyce? It would be great to get more info for the family tree.
William Manders (1883-1941) had a daughter Maureen who married George Webster. Maureen has passed away but she has four children.
It would be great to hear from you though it's been a long time since your post.
Best wishes
Ruth
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Hi Ruth, swarner was last online in 2020.
Regards
Sarah
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Lilian Manders was my great aunt. As you say, she never married and in her latter years lived with her niece, Dorothy, in Cork. Auntie Lil passed away in 1973.
Some information linked for others about Lilian-
Born 2nd April 1890 at Marius Marino Street, Bantry. MMN Warner
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02424/1902822.pdf
1901 census with her parents and siblings.
House 62 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Blackrock/Knockrea__in_2_separate_folders_/1116144/
1911 census
House 171 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blackrock/Knockrea/401632/
Knockrea townland
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/cork/st-nicholas/knockrea/
KG
Edited to add:
Marino Street, Bantry
https://arcg.is/1Kifvy
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Her name was Elizabeth Manders b 1865 d 1940. She was the daughter of Mary Manders (Nee Warner) who was the daughter of William Warner of Bantry.
Margaret Manders (1894-1957), one of Elizabeth's sisters, married Richard Baker...........
Elizabeth Manders was born in 1881.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02799/2027147.pdf
Margaret Manders was born in 1894.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02244/1844869.pdf
Margaret married Richard William Norman Baker in 1924 at St Nicholas Parish church, Cork. Lilian Manders was one of the witnesses.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09168/5315895.pdf
When Mary Manders (mother) died in 1940 at Weavers Point, Carrigaline the informant was her son-in-law (who signed as Norman Baker). #185
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04728/4264080.pdf
...........with his son-in-law James Manders (Mary's husband) he started a factory in about 1880 at William Street in Bantry for the processing of butter for the export market.
James Manders died in 1912. His son William was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05347/4489510.pdf
KG
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I wasn't aware that Elizabeth had any children. Did she marry Maurice Joyce?
Here's a marriage for an Elizabeth Manders to Maurice Joyce in 1928 at St Bartholomew's parish church, Kinneigh. Elizabeth living in Enniskeane. A sister? Mary, one of the witnesses. Elizabeth would have been approx 47 when she married.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1928/09078/5284107.pdf
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William Warner Manders married Mary Beatrice Robinson on 7th June 1924 at St Nicholas Parish church, Cork. One of the witnesses was his sister Esther Manders.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09163/5314069.pdf
He died at the age of 58 in 1941 and lived at The Laurels, Ballintemple, Cork.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04707/4256747.pdf
His widow, Mary Beaty Manders died aged 77 in 1967. She lived at The Laurels, Blackrock Road, Cork. Her daughter Maureen A Webster was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1967/04195/4070981.pdf
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William Warner Manders married Mary Beatrice Robinson on 7th June 1924 at St Nicholas Parish church, Cork. One of the witnesses was his sister Esther Manders.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09163/5314069.pdf
1901 census with her parents and siblings.
House 62 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Blackrock/Knockrea__in_2_separate_folders_/1116144/
Esther also in 1901 census aged 14 so born 1886-87.
Born 10th May 1886 at New Line, Bantry (surname transcribed as Mandees).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02586/1955623.pdf
Her death in 1952.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04484/4176881.pdf
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Her death in 1952.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04484/4176881.pdf
From the CIGO Guide to Irish Calendars of Wills and Administrations-
Probate 5th September 1952
To Mary M Manders, spinster
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His widow, Mary Beaty Manders died aged 77 in 1967. ........................ Her daughter Maureen A Webster was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1967/04195/4070981.pdf
Mary B Manders, The Laurels, Blackrock, Cork.
Probate
Date of Application: 20th February 1968
Date of Grant: 27th February 1968 to Grantee: Anne N M Webster
Assets: £875
FamilySearch:
Anne N M Manders
Birth Date: Oct - Dec 1926
Birthplace: Cork, Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1S2-Q3R