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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: galiano on Friday 15 April 05 23:39 BST (UK)
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I would like to obtain a copy of my gr. grandfathers birth certificate so I can confirm his parents. He was John Lupton b. 1835 in Dunston, Lincoln. The GRO only goes back to 1837 so I don't know where to look next. Any suggestions ?
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I'm afraid this is where the hard bit starts!
Births, marriages and deaths prior to 1837 were recorded in the Parish Registers of the local church, following a christening, marriage or funeral - so births as such were not recorded - only christenings.
You will need to work out which parish they lived in then go to the local record office (or county archive) to look at the registers, which are usually on microfilm.
(This presumes they were Church of England, of course, if they were any other religion your search will be a little trickier!)
You could also search online on the IGI site (www.familysearch.org) which will give you a guide, but these records aren't fool-proof.
Happy hunting!
Chris
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It depends how certain you are about the age ...
There was a John Lupton in Dunston in 1851 who was aged 9, said to have been born in Fillingham (2104/118). His parents were not with him. As he was not with his parents, the birthplace may not be correct.
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Hi,
The IGI index gives a JOHN LUPTON christened in Dunston, Lincoln on 26 July 1835.
His parents were Thomas Lupton and Ann.
Regards
Geoff
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A mail to lincolnshire_archive@lincolnshire.gov.uk will tell you how to go about getting a copy of the parish record for a fee.
There is also a web page http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/section.asp?docId=27506&catId=6641
Heather
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Hi,
The IGI index gives a JOHN LUPTON christened in Dunston, Lincoln on 26 July 1835.
His parents were Thomas Lupton and Ann.
Regards
Geoff
Thanks for this Geoff. The problem I am having is that at the time there were 2 Thomas Luptons both born in 1812 in Dunston. I think I know which one is my gr.gr. grandfather but as yet I have no proof. So I need that link from John Lupton b. 1835 to which ?? Thomas ?? ???
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A mail to lincolnshire_archive@lincolnshire.gov.uk will tell you how to go about getting a copy of the parish record for a fee.
There is also a web page http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/section.asp?docId=27506&catId=6641
Heather
Hi Heather :
I'll have a good look at those URLs. Thanks kindly for your help. :)
Bob Walker
North Saanich, BC
Canada
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1841 Dunston 617-14/17
Edmund Lupton 50 Publican
Elizabeth 50
Thomas 25
Elizabeth Gresham 10
Ann Ellis 15 Fem Serv
All born Lincs
Can't see the other one, but that may elininate one of them.
The same one in 1851? 2104/116 (Dunston)
Elizabeth (wid) 63 Baker
Thomas (unm) 38 AgLab
Edmund Lupton, his wife and 6 children also there.
The other Thomas was not in Dunston.
Found in Martin - about 4 miles SE of Dunston 623-11/12
Thomas 25 AgLab
Ann 25
John 5
Betsy 2
Sarah 4m
All born in Lincs
John had left home in 1851 2100/119
Thomas 39 AgLab, Dunston
Ann 39
Elizabeth 11
Sarah 10
Thomas 8
Richard 7
Charles 4
Susan 2
Harriet 4m
All others born Martin.
Found on the farm of John Willson 2100/125 (Martin)
John Lupton 15 Farm Lab, Martin
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Hi Geoff :
It's really considerate of you to help. :) The Edmund line is not mine. I have been in contact with a lady in London who is directly related to this Edmund. We are both a little confused about the Thomas's b. 1812 in Dunston one of whom ( my line ? ) died in 1854 approx. I think he is the one baptized in May 1812.
Now I'll have to review the information you sent along.
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IGI has these two
THOS. LUPTON
Male
Christening: 23 MAY 1812 Dunston, Lincoln, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN LUPTON Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
and one baptised in October 1812, son of Edmund and Elizabeth (IGI has suddenly disappeared, so I can't supply any more details).
The one living with Elizabeth in 1841 and 1851 has a brother called Edmund.
The one living in Martin has a son called John. The one living in Martin is still there in 1871 with wife Ann and son Thomas (although he then says he was born in Dorrington, 6 miles S of Dunston!)
Thomas 59 Cottager and Skinner, Dorrington
Ann 59 Martin
Thomas 27 AgLab, Martin
1861 Martin 2341/65
Thomas 49 AgLab, Dunston
Ann 49
John 25 AgLab, Dunston
Elizabeth 22 Dressmaker
Richard 15 AgLab
Charles 13 AgLab
Susan 11 Scholar
Harriet 9 Scholar
Ann 7 Scholar
Others born Martin
Thomas 18 Carter, Martin is nearby.
Meanwhile in Dunston 1861 (2356/70)
Elizabeth 73 Baker, Dunston
still has Edmund and family, but no Thomas.
I don't think there's too much more to find. I would hazard a guess that John and Edmund who both had Thomases in 1812 were sons of an earlier Thomas Lupton.
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Hi Geoff :
Wow you've done great work. Thanks again for your help. What you sent does raise a bit of a puzzle. Here's what I got from someone else and I think it makes sense but see what you can make of it :
" One of the Thomas Luptons baptised in 1812 was buried in Dunston 1 Nov 1854 aged 42 yrs. As Thomas was living with his mother, Elizabeth, widow of Edmund, in 1861, I think it would be safe to assume that it was the son of John and Elizabeth ( baptised 23 May 1812 ) who died prematurely. "
So now there is a puzzle given you have a Thomas married to Ann still living in Martin in 1871. Now what ? ? ???
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The 1861 Dunston entry in full (MY transcription from the 1861 census book image - as good as you will get - itself a transcription, as the original census forms were destroyed):
Back Street, Dunston
Elizabeth (head) 73 Baker, Dunston
Edmund (son) 45 AgLab, Dunston
Sarah (dau-in-law) 41 Sturton by Stow
Mary (sis-in-law) 55 Charwoman, Billinghay
John (g-son) 15 Day boy on a farm, Dunston
James (g-son) 12 Scholar, Dunston
Elizabeth (g-dau) 10 Scholar, Dunston
I'm afraid that any suggestion that Edmund's Thomas was still living with his mother in 1861 is erroneous.
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The 1861 Dunston entry in full (MY transcription from the 1861 census book image - as good as you will get - itself a transcription, as the original census forms were destroyed):
Back Street, Dunston
Elizabeth (head) 73 Baker, Dunston
Edmund (son) 45 AgLab, Dunston
Sarah (dau-in-law) 41 Sturton by Stow
Mary (sis-in-law) 55 Charwoman, Billinghay
John (g-son) 15 Day boy on a farm, Dunston
James (g-son) 12 Scholar, Dunston
Elizabeth (g-dau) 10 Scholar, Dunston
I'm afraid that any suggestion that Edmund's Thomas was still living with his mother in 1861 is erroneous.
Geoff : I re-checked my notes on the email with the information I quoted and indeed you are correct. ! ! The person offering help previously stated that Thomas Lupton b. Oct 1812 was living with his widowed mother, married brother Edmund and family in 1851 ! Later the email read he was living with them in 1861 as I quoted you. So " my Thomas" b. May 1812 did not die in 1854 it was the Thomas b. Oct 1812 who was on the "Edmund" line.
I have to hand it to you, your research on this was impeccable. You have helped me solve a puzzle and I thank you profusely ! :)
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Glad to have been of some use :)
Good luck till the next time!