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I wonder if anyone can help - I am researching the Cole family tree from Binsted Hampshire. I have got back to Stephen (Steven) Cole (and it's variations of that surname spelling) married to Rachel Ford.
I am trying to find Stephen's parents and siblings if possible. I have been to Winchester records office several times with no luck, searched the internet, but all I can find is the record of their marriage, Stephen Cole b abt. 1740 married to Rachel Ford b abt. 1742 married 4-10-1762 Binsted.
It's almost as though they came from nowhere. I have found a Rachel Ford c: 11-7-1752 East Meon, but that would of made her 11 when she got married and her first child Richard was born 1763, so I am dubious this can be the right lady.
I have been searching for a couple of years now with no luck. I do know that there is a Cole family in Twyford, but I am not sure if there is a connection.
Can anyone help, this is driving me crazy going round in circles?
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STOCK CHARITY IS NOT THAT FAR FROM BINSTEd AND PARISH OF MARRIAGE IS NOT ALWAYS THE PARISH OF BIRTH
STEPHEN COLE - BAPT: 20 NOV 1737 Stoke Charity, Hampshire, England PARENTS STEVEN & MARY
You can buy the whole register for Binsted Parish for £3 on CD
http://www.parishchest.com/binsted_-_cd-rom__P91393
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Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.
I had seen that Steven from Stoke Charity before but wasn't sure if it would of been too far away, would the Binsted parish records cover Stoke Charity do you know?
I really do appreciate the help, this has been driving me mad.
Sue
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It was usual for babies to be baptised within a few weeks of birth, but not uncommon for people to be baptised when a bit older. I've found lots of baptisms for children when they are about 5 (perhaps so they could attend a church school). So the baptism you found might not mean the bride was 11 at the time of marriage she could be older. Unless of course the baptism record gives her date of birth too!
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Thanks for your help, the Rachel Ford I had found aged 11 was the most likely candidate for me, but the age did worry me, I know that a girl could of been 13 or 14 when they married back then, but 11 did seem a little young. I hadn't thought of the baptism being later and it hadn't given the date of birth, although I had found somewhere a possible date of birth of 1742 (but can't remember where I got it).
Sue
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Hi Green
I put the Binsted link in to cover all your Cole ancestors also if Steven is not in it (Ie;- IGI don't have all parish's in there index) then you can then consider other parish's- People did move about them days.
As the member said baptisms are not always the year of birth and some used to baptize the kids in batches 3 at a time even 5 -I have seen in some PR's having had private batisms at home
Workshouses sometimes had birth and baptisms recorded in there record poorlaw books as well.
I know how you feel! My oldest ancestor on my mums side Thomas Tidmarsh b 1806 and his father Thomas married 1803 and I can't find his bapt around 1765 ! so your in good company> been looking years and have burned rubber on the M1 looking for him! it been re surffaced a few times since.
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Thank you so much, all this information has given me food for thought, such a nuisance not being able to be sure whether you have the right link.
I have looked the Stoke Charity one up and found parents and siblings for this Stephen, all his own children (my Stephen) have the same names as either siblings or parents of both himself (if he is the Stoke Charity Stephen) and Rachel Ford (his wife) EXCEPT their oldest child called Richard, can't find anyone called that in either the Stoke Charity family, or Rachel Ford's family :-\
Does that make sense?
If I could pin the Richard on a Stoke Charity family member (or Rachel Fords family) I would be sooooooooo happy ;D
I am glad I am not the only one whose family have arrived from nowhere, makes you wonder where on earth they suddenly appeared from doesn't it.
Sue
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Something to chew on :)
RICHARD COLE
SARAH PINK
Marriage: 27 NOV 1738 West Worldham, Hampshire, England
Either Stephen an unreadable baptisem at Binsted or as below West Worldham
Assuming Steven was there first born say West World ham
the first Baptism Binsted for Richard was JOHN COLE Christening: 13 MAY 1743 Binsted Near Alton, Hampshire, England
next HANNAH COLE Christening: 18 OCT 1745 Binsted Near Alton, Hampshire, England
next THOMAS COLE Christening: 26 DEC 1747 Binsted Near Alton, Hampshire, England
There were 3 marriages around 1760's for Stephens one at Ringwood 1766 and there is a Stephen birth/bapt for him about 1740+/-
and one marriage marriage at Romsey
one at Binsted and the Stoke Charity Stephen bapt 1737 could be either marriage
Last there is a bapt fro a Richard father Thomas in Binsted 1757 but seems late for this Thomas to be Stephens father
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Its a long shot but I would try and get a copy of this 1738 Richard and Sarah marriage at Westworldham and see who the witnesses were as one or both could be a sister or brother of Steven in the Binsted bapt sibling of dad Richard.
Southhampton Library should have parish marriage copies on Film
well good luck in your endeavours ;)
Dave
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You have all been so kind, and I really do appreciate your help.
One question, would I be able to see the bapt. parish records at the records office in Winchester rather than Southampton as it would be easier for me to get there? It has given me at least some directions to explore.
I have never been able to match those 3 different families up, although I have researched them, and I have never found a Stephen born to any of them, this has given me a little more hope.
Thanks so much
Sue
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Hi Sue
Winchester local Studies & archives
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives
Parish registers covered link
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives/hals-collections/hals-parish-registers.htm
Enter Stephen Cole or Coles in the search engine and
if you can get to Winchester you can view the originals.Poor Law, overseer land tax,
Tithes Terriers - well alsorts
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives/catalog.htm
If you can't go to Winchester? you could write, Email or phone for of the copy
of the Richard Cole marriage to Sarah 1738 the parish Entry.
With this being a known date (They do need to search and can go straight to it )
they will only charge post and copy charge (about £2 tops) or you send a cheque
with a SAE at agreed price.
Basingstoke or Guildford may also have the marriage on micro film.
As you will know pre 1837 GRO BMDs and 1841 census and No parent on parish marriages
its a different ball game and you can never be 100 % unless Wills and other supporting
doc's come to light
What we do is use logic and Epistemology to work it out!
Binsted was Stephen marriage place and Richard the only marriage and family that fit Binsted those
years and Elimination of other Stephen bapt and marriages of said years.
Baptisms and birth can be years apart and they had private baptisms also as I said the old PR's can be
unreadable even moth/mouse/ wear eaten holes in them that far back.
I have little doubt!! I think ! Richard was Stephen father and the other baptism 1737 Stephen of Stoke Charity was the Romsey marriage in 1760's
MI's and grave stones in village graveyards in gruops of family surnames names and the epitath are the best source telling a true picture.
Dave from Yorkshire
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Send Little Nell (Moderator)a personal message (PM)as she hs knowledge of Binsted burials
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,70085.0.html
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Cole family 1679-c1900 includes deeds of properties in Crondall and Odiham, north of Atlton
50M63
Lamb, Brooks and Bullock of Odiham, solicitors
Winchester Archives
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Goodness, where on earth do you look to find all this information, I can't thank you enough and am planning a visit in the not to distant future to Winchester to see if I can find copies of this information you have so kindly told me about.
I am still trying to find any record 'online' of a son born to Richard and Sarah called Stephen 1740'ish, it would make more sense that these are his parents, timeline is right and the area is right, just need to find something to confirm it.
Thanks for your help.
Sue