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Title: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Friday 14 January 11 11:35 GMT (UK)
maryann king was born  1821 at crockenhill anyone know if it was a stopping place
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Thursday 20 January 11 22:10 GMT (UK)
I've looked through the registers of Crockenhill and, if my memory serves me correctly, it was popular for fruit picking etc..

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: Hackstaple on Thursday 20 January 11 22:33 GMT (UK)
Crockenhill is a short walk from my house. It is very old village that was the site of pottery manufacture although few very old houses stll exist. Later it was a significant site for market gardening, especially strawberries & jam making but now most of the residents are employed elsewhere.
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: CitizenSmith on Friday 21 January 11 13:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Cushybokt

What time of year was Mary Ann born? Her family could have been in the area for the hop-picking, usually around September/October.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Friday 21 January 11 14:11 GMT (UK)
Hi may be.
 Mary Ann King was born 1921. her father was John King
but we know nothing about that side.
any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Friday 21 January 11 15:35 GMT (UK)
Can you tell us when/where/whom she married?  Have you found her on all the available census?  All these might give clues as to her origins.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Friday 21 January 11 16:29 GMT (UK)
she married william packman near dartford kent
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Friday 21 January 11 19:49 GMT (UK)
I can see 3 William PACKMANs in that area, two with a wife called Mary ............ could you please clarify which couple it is you are researching ................. can you name the children or tell us when and where they appear on a census to make sure we are on the right track.  The problem is that the Mary who says she was born Crockenhill says she was born c1828 whilst the one born c1821 says  she was born Ash near Ridley.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: Hackstaple on Friday 21 January 11 19:57 GMT (UK)
Was it 1821 or 1921? Both appear in the posts by Cushtybokt.
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Friday 21 January 11 20:58 GMT (UK)
sorry nov 1821 told you im not very good with computer
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Friday 21 January 11 21:42 GMT (UK)
That's ok - we were all new to the computer once ;)

Which one of these if your family ................. or is it a different one ???

1861 - Cole Wood Cottage, Cobham, Kent

William PACKMAN head mar 44 woodreve b.Ash
Mary A wife 40 b.Ash
Albert son 20 b.Fawkham
William son 18 b.Snodland
Thomas son 13 b.Cobham
Elizabeth dau 11 b.Cobham
Sarah A W dau 4 b.Cobham
Jabez son 2 b.Cobham
Ebenezer W son 3m b.Cobham

RG9/473 folio 59 page 29
...................

1861 - 1 Portland Cottage, Swanscombe, Kent

William PACKMAN lodger mar 40 cement labourer b.Hartley Kent
Mary A wife 43 b.Poplar Middlesex

RG9/468 folio 154 page 41
.....................

1861 - The Marquis of Granby, Dartford

William PACKMAN head mar 36 victualler b.Eynsford Kent
Mariann wife 32 b.Eynsford
Louisa dau 10 b.Eynsford
James son 7 b.Eynsford
Emily dau 1 b.Dartford
+ some lodgers

RG9/467 folio 56 page 3
.................


Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Saturday 22 January 11 07:53 GMT (UK)
thats my lot at bottom at marquis of granby i didnt know there was a louise. RG9/467 thankyou 
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Saturday 22 January 11 07:58 GMT (UK)
sorry all marianne was born 1828/9  eynsford on her maraig lines it says father john king
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Saturday 22 January 11 09:12 GMT (UK)
1881 - 63 High Street, Dartford

William PACKMAN head mar 58 licensed victualler & ............. b.Eynsford
Mary wife 53 b.Eynsford
Will'm son 16 b.Eynsford
Arthur EDMEADS grandson 7 b.Eynsford
+ lodgers
RG11/865 folio 36 page 16
.......................

1871 - 63 High Street, Dartford

William PACKMAN head mar 47 publican b.Eynsford
Mary A wife 43 b.Crockenhill
James C R son 18 b.Crockenhill
Emily dau 11 b.Dartford
William son 6 b.Dartford
+ some lodgers

RG10/884 folio 33 page 16
......................

1851 Eynsford

William PACKMAN head mar 25 ag lab b.Eynsford
Mary Ann wife 22 b.Eynsford
Lydia dau 2m b.Eynsford

HO107/1607 folio 779 page 6
.........................

There is a Mary KING in Ensford of about the right age at the time of the 1841 census - I wonder if that could be her ???

1841 Eynsford

John BEST 30 ag lab b.Kent
Mary BEST 30 b.Kent
Mary KING 12 b.Kent
Caleb BEST 4 b.Kent
Henry BEST 2 b.Kent

HO107/482 folio 26 page 13
....................

Mary Anne KING baptised Eynsford 5 Oct 1828 dau of John and Mary Anne http://www.familysearch.org could be her couldn't it ???

Casalguidi :)

Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Saturday 22 January 11 09:54 GMT (UK)
thankyou that must be her .
her mother must have had her with a john king.how can i copy this please
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Saturday 22 January 11 10:48 GMT (UK)
I'm not quite sure what you mean by copy?  Do you mean print it out or look at the original census images etc.?

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Saturday 22 January 11 15:43 GMT (UK)
i was wondering if mariann king at  eynsford 12 years old was registered as a daughter on that 1841 cencus
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Saturday 22 January 11 15:58 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately the 1841 census for England and Wales doesn't give relationships nor where born (only whether born in the county of residence or not) see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/census.html - I have extracted all the informaton for the family.  However, looking at how the family are listed, I would think she is quite possibly a daughter .............. if she were a visitor or something she probably be more likely to be listed after the children (Caleb and Henry).  If nobody does it in the meantime, I'll try and have a look later to see if we can find anything on the BESTs and/or KINGs.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Saturday 22 January 11 16:41 GMT (UK)
thankyou very much
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: casalguidi on Saturday 22 January 11 18:45 GMT (UK)
1851 Mandy Cottages, Eynsford

John BEST head mar 44 ag lab b.Eynsford
Mary wife 48 b.Eynsford
Caleb son 14 b.Eynsford
Henry son 12 b.Eynsford
Harriet BUTCHER visitor wid 56 factory paper b.not known
Mary visitor unm 20 factory paper b.Wrotham
John visitor unm 18 factory paper b.Wrotham

HO107/1607 folio 784 page 17
...................

1861 - Crockenhill, St Mary Cray

Mary BEST head wid 56 costermonger b.Eynsford
Caleb son 24 farm lab b.Eynsford

RG9/464 folio 116 page 28
...................

1871 Crockenhill, St Mary Cray

Mary BEST head wid 70 farm lab b.Crockenhill
Caleb son unm 36 farm lab b.Crockenhill
Mary FORESTER lodger unm 36 farm lab b.Kingston Surrey
Harry grandson 14 b.St Mary Cray
Caleb grandson 11 b.Crockenhill
Reuben grandson 7 b.Crockenhill
Kate grandau 4 b.Crockenhill

RG10/877 folio 47 page 55
.....................

1881 Stone Cross, Crockenhill

Mary BEST head wid 81 farm servant b.Eynsford
Caleb father unm 45 farm servant b.Eynsford
Mary FORRESTER mother unm 45 farm servant b.Kingsdown
Reuben BEST son unm 18 farm servant b.Eysnford
Kate Forrester BEST dau 14 b.St Mary Cray
John F BEST son 9 b.St Mary Cray
Frederick F BEST son 6 b.St Mary Cray
Elizabeth F BEST dau 3 b.St Mary Cray

RG11/858 folio 114 page 30
...................

Will have another look later

Casalguidi :)


Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: espanol on Saturday 08 February 14 23:21 GMT (UK)
Going bCk further Thomas packman of 1775 married Sarah white, but some trees have him marrying twice. His first wife being only 13 and they had 3 or 4 children I think her name is hart. I don't know how this has been discovered as I can't find the marriage.
Also there are 2 different but almost identical families for john west from the area as tney have sons callef Caleb.
Can you tell me something about Thomas s first wife?
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: achooo on Sunday 09 February 14 08:03 GMT (UK)
interesting,im still wondering what happened to john king husband of mary who later married john best,daughter maryann king  was still with them she was christened at eynesford 5 oct 1928,did john king die please
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: Hackstaple on Sunday 09 February 14 09:44 GMT (UK)
I could not even remember having contributed to this thread but I see I did. I also found this. I doubt if it has anything new but here goes:
http://www.cryerfamilyhistory.co.uk/best-caleb.htm
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: espanol on Sunday 09 February 14 20:55 GMT (UK)
Casalguidi  who wS the father of the grandson edmeads? Where did he come from?

Also john and Sarah white....he was a game keeper.., where is or wS the esTate for that job?
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: espanol on Wednesday 12 February 14 22:34 GMT (UK)
Crockenhill is a short walk from my house. It is very old village that was the site of pottery manufacture although few very old houses stll exist. Later it was a significant site for market gardening, especially strawberries & jam making but now most of the residents are employed elsewhere.
  thank you :)
Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: espanol on Wednesday 12 February 14 22:37 GMT (UK)
That's ok - we were all new to the computer once ;)

Which one of these if your family ................. or is it a different one ???

1861 - Cole Wood Cottage, Cobham, Kent

William PACKMAN head mar 44 woodreve b.Ash
Mary A wife 40 b.Ash
Albert son 20 b.Fawkham
William son 18 b.Snodland :)
Thomas son 13 b.Cobham
Elizabeth dau 11 b.Cobham
Sarah A W dau 4 b.Cobham
Jabez son 2 b.Cobham
Ebenezer W son 3m b.Cobham

RG9/473 folio 59 page 29
...................

1861 - 1 Portland Cottage, Swanscombe, Kent

William PACKMAN lodger mar 40 cement labourer b.Hartley Kent
Mary A wife 43 b.Poplar Middlesex

RG9/468 folio 154 page 41
.....................

1861 - The Marquis of Granby, Dartford

William PACKMAN head mar 36 victualler b.Eynsford Kent
Mariann wife 32 b.Eynsford
Louisa dau 10 b.Eynsford
James son 7 b.Eynsford
Emily dau 1 b.Dartford
+ some lodgers

RG9/467 folio 56 page 3
................. bottom family  his son was a publican too,


Casalguidi :)
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Title: Re: crocken hill nr dartford
Post by: espanol on Wednesday 12 February 14 22:42 GMT (UK)
sorry nov 1821 told you im not very good with computer
so she wasn't born in crockenhill?

I can see a registrar for john best and Maryann king. I think its her mother. The marriage was in londn.