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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: baltibluebird on Thursday 13 January 11 19:27 GMT (UK)
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HI
I wonder if anyone can help me please with regard to my McKenzie/Mackenzie family from Urquhart?
I am looking for information on the following children born to Donald McKenzie & Ann Chisholm who were married 24 Feb 1800, Urquhart, Inverness all born in Urquhart & Glenmoriston:
Catherine 21 Oct 1801 (presumably she died as there was another Catherine born later)
Hugh 15 March 1804
William 5 Aug 1806
Christian 16 May 1809
Catherine 20 Jan 1811
John Peter 28 March 1813 (my direct gt grandfather whom I have successfully tracked except for 1841 census)
Donald 11 Aug 1815
Alexander 31 May 1818
Jane 8 July 1820
Duncan 15 Sept 1822 (I have tracked his history except for 1841 & 1851 census)
The baptisms are from IGI and SP.
Thanks in anticipation ...
Edited to add baptism date for Duncan
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Have you checked for deaths on SP with mother's name Chisholm?
A free search gives 3 possibles in Inverness with births 1810+- 10 yrs
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Possible for Jane in 1841
Jane Mckenzie
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
born: Inverness, Scotland
Parish: Urquhart and Glenmoriston
County: Inverness
Address: Kilmore
Occupation: F S
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Thanks for that Sancti; don't think the deaths are relevant but the 1841 census may be (I had been wondering about this one).
Any more help would be much appreciated.
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The deaths are for surname McKenzie with mothers name Chisholm
The problem with following the females is that they would probably be married prior to 1855
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I take your point about the females possibly marrying.
The one relating to John is not my John as I already have his death cert from SP from 1878, death in Montrose.
Duncan McKenzie married Elizabeth Yule Creden in Fraserburgh 1856 and I have tracked him in 1861 Banff; 1871 Aberdeenshire; 1881 & 1891 Old Deer, Aberdeenshire to his death in Jan 1899 Old Deer. What I have found extremely interesting here with this particular couple is that they adopted Catherine Wishart Duthie (born 1874 Montrose) and she appears on the 1891 census as adopted daughter. Catherine also was the informant on Duncan McKenzie's death cert on SP in 1899. Catherine Wishart Duthie was the daughter of Robert Duthie & Mary McKenzie, Mary McKenzie being the daughter of John Peter McKenzie & Catherine Wishart (already discussed in previous postings). So, Duncan McKenzie was in fact (accordingly to my FTM11 the great grant uncle of Catherine Wishart Duthie).
I must admit that this is a difficult family to trace but I wont be beaten yet.
Thanks in anticipation ...
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The family seems to have moved outside the Inverness area so it might be worthwhile expanding the death search using the mothers name.
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There appears to be 8 in the whole of Scotland with a birth date of 1810 +/- 10yrs but they don't seem to match up to any of my siblings ???
One thought I have had for a while is that appears to be no "Ann" or none that I have found yet; I find this strange because Ann Chisholm was the mother - do you have any thoughts on that?
Thanks in anticipation ...
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Possible death for the mother
1861 MACKENZIE ANN mother's name ROSS other name CHISHOLM aged 78 at KILTEARN /ROSS AND CROMARTY
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Hello - I'm interested in your post on the McKenzie/Chisholm family and the information you've found about Duncan McKenzie and Elizabeth Cruden, particularly about their niece, Catherine Wishart Duthie.
Catherine married Robert Bruce on 17th February 1899 shortly after Duncan died on 31st January, i think: the family story I have is that Catherine or Kate as she as known, went to stay with them following her father's death before returning to Montrose to work, but then returned to Nethermuir to look after her grand uncle(?) after Elizabeth died. The SP death certificate I have seen lists her as grand niece.
When Catherine married Robert, her parents are listed as Robert Duthie and Mary, nee McKenzie: there's no mention of Duncan and Elizabeth on the certificate. I am intrigued about why she was adopted and was unaware that she was: I had assumed that they had no family of their own.
Catherine was my Granny Bruce.
I'm interested in the Inverness-shire connection, but can't tie down Donald and Ann McKenzie there: John Peter's death certificate listed Donald as having been a crofter; Duncan's marriage certificate described him as a mason, and I think I've also seen him listed as a stone dyker elsewhere. He was a servant when he got married. McKenzie and Chisholm are very prevalent names in that part of the world.
I hope this is useful and I'd be pleased to know more.
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Duncan McKenzie married Elizabeth Yule Creden in Fraserburgh 1856 and I have tracked him in 1861 Banff; 1871 Aberdeenshire; 1881 & 1891 Old Deer, Aberdeenshire to his death in Jan 1899 Old Deer. What I have found extremely interesting here with this particular couple is that they adopted Catherine Wishart Duthie (born 1874 Montrose) and she appears on the 1891 census as adopted daughter. Catherine also was the informant on Duncan McKenzie's death cert on SP in 1899. Catherine Wishart Duthie was the daughter of Robert Duthie & Mary McKenzie, Mary McKenzie being the daughter of John Peter McKenzie & Catherine Wishart (already discussed in previous postings). So, Duncan McKenzie was in fact (accordingly to my FTM11 the great grant uncle of Catherine Wishart Duthie).
I must admit that this is a difficult family to trace but I wont be beaten yet.
Thanks in anticipation ...
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When Catherine married Robert, her parents are listed as Robert Duthie and Mary, nee McKenzie: there's no mention of Duncan and Elizabeth on the certificate. I am intrigued about why she was adopted and was unaware that she was: I had assumed that they had no family of their own.
Duncan McKenzie married Elizabeth Yule Creden in Fraserburgh 1856 and I have tracked him in 1861 Banff; 1871 Aberdeenshire; 1881 & 1891 Old Deer, Aberdeenshire to his death in Jan 1899 Old Deer. What I have found extremely interesting here with this particular couple is that they adopted Catherine Wishart Duthie (born 1874 Montrose) and she appears on the 1891 census as adopted daughter. Catherine also was the informant on Duncan McKenzie's death cert on SP in 1899. Catherine Wishart Duthie was the daughter of Robert Duthie & Mary McKenzie, Mary McKenzie being the daughter of John Peter McKenzie & Catherine Wishart (already discussed in previous postings). So, Duncan McKenzie was in fact (accordingly to my FTM11 the great grant uncle of Catherine Wishart Duthie).
Did the parents of Catherine Wishart Duthie die between 1874 & 1891?
The use of the word 'adopted' was probably a loose term meaning they'd taken on the responsibility of bringing her up.
I see no reason why she shouldn't give her rightful parents names on her marriage cert.
What relationship term did Catherine use as informant of the death of Duncan McKenzie in 1899?
Can you please post links to "previous postings" for others following this family?
Annie
Add...The OP has been online since the reply from Sancti at Reply #8 but hasn't acknowledged it.
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Thanks for your post, Annie.
In response to your questions:
Did the parents of Catherine Wishart Duthie die between 1874 & 1891? Father Robert Duthie died on 27th February 1878. Mary was around 35 and left with a family of four, the youngest under one.
Mary died on 26th August 1905.
When her great uncle Duncan died in 1899, Catherine was described as his ‘Grand Niece’.
Thanks for the information about why Catherine might be called 'adopted': though she is listed in both 1881 and 1891 censuses as staying with Duncan and Elizabeth McKenzie, I think she may have gone back to Montrose and then returned during that time.
Many thanks
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Hello, Please accept my apologies for my late reply; I have not looked at that particular branch of my tree for some time, I needed time to pick things up. I’m sorry I don’t have any further information as tKate Wishart Duthie is not my direct descendant. If I come across any further information I will post. All the best with your research.
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Hi BaltiBlueBird,
Thanks for your reply - no problem.
I wonder if you've been able to find birth dates/places for John Peter McKenzie's parents, Donald and Ann, or the dates and places of death? I've not succeeded in either.
I did locate the family's location in the OPR when Duncan was born, as Balmacahan - today called Balmacaan, but where on the estate they were or what Donald/Ann did is unclear.
Also, can I please ask if you've found a birth and/or death place/date for Catherine McKenzie, nee Wishart?
Any assistance will be welcome.
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Hi I have these but the death date minus 66 years does not equal the birth but in my experience dates can be wrong when given by someone else.
Catherine Wishart 9 July 1806 Kilmorack, Inverness - George Wishart Mary McDonald
Catherine Marriage to John Peter McKenzie 5 June 1835 Inverness
Catherine Mackenzie death 11 Dec 1877 age 66 Montrose John Mackenzie informant widower present
George Wishart, cooper father. Mary Ferguson mother
George (cooper) and Mary 1841 census Beauly
George Wishart deceased cooper shown on son Hugh’s death cert 29th Oct 1859 Beauly so died between 1841 and 1859
See my post years ago …
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=453439.0
Please give me time to look for rest of info. Hope this helps
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Dear BaltiBlueBird,
Thanks very much for bringing the information on the Wisharts together for me, and for signposting me to your previous posts on the Wisharts. I'll be pleased to hear about the Drumnadrochit McKenzies when you've time.
Meantime, the following may be of interest:
I had a look at the following books published by the now defunct Kilmorack Heritage Association: the first includes in the list of monumental inscriptions in Kilmorack Old graveyard, stones for a Jas Wishart, d. 1847 and his wife, Ann McKay, d. 1844; it also lists a Roderick, d. 8th December 185?, Catherine MacKay, d. 21st November 1828, and daughter Mary, 1st June 1834, aged 18 in the same lair, but not with the Wishart surname in the inscriptions, and a separate stone listing a later, but presumably unrelated Alistair (Wishart). Burials were made until c. 1900 - Memorial Inscriptions: Parish of Kiltarlity and Convinth https://www.ambaile.org.uk/asset/48220/
In The Village of Beauly – Parish of Kilmorack [part 1], 104, there's a reference to Donald Wishart, cooper and his wife, Helen Noble having Rachel Steven baptised on 14th March 1832 - https://www.ambaile.org.uk/groupitem/453/
Cruivend and some of its nineteenth century inhabitants are listed in The Braes – Parish of Kilmorack [part 1], but there's no mention of Wisharts - https://www.ambaile.org.uk/groupitem/453/
What struck me in an online search is that Wisharts seem to be much more common in Inverness-shire than I'd have thought - https://wishart.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1851-Census-Inverness.pdf there's a few born in Kilmorack and two from Cromarty.
Thanks again,
Neil