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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: charley on Thursday 13 January 11 12:29 GMT (UK)
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Please can you help me to find a marriage in early1840 for
Thomas Banham Bodger to Ann Liley Porter
After Ann died he married another lady with the same surname and maybe they were sisters. Hopefully her father's name will solve this for me.
Many thanks, Charley
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Have you bought the marriage certificate which should have the father's name? Wisbech is in Cambridgeshire, did you mean the district Wisbech though? If you did, have you located which village they lived in in the 1841 census if you think they are in Norfolk?
kaysii
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Jan/Feb/Mar 1840
Wisbech 14 221
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Thomas and Ann lived in Walsoken in 1941 and all other records have been Norfolk rather than Cambridge. She was only married to Thomas for 2 years before she died. If the two Porter girls were sisters the father of the second bride, Mary, was John Porter. Mary was married in Terrington st Clements in 1942. I was trying to avoid buying Ann's certificate if I can as I have bought an enormous number in the past and this is just to satisfy my curiosity. Mary is my family not Ann
Thanks
Charley
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So it is possible this marriage was in Terrington St Clements.
So what you are really wanting is to see if anyone has access to PR's for Terrington St Clements.
You might like to change the title in order for anyone who has, to spot this thread
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Thanks for your help lizdb. I have changed it and hopefully somone may be kind enough to be able to help.
Charley
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Sorry, don't have access to the parish records, but thought you might want to consider other parishes. The marriage you have to Mary is on free reg, so maybe the records for Terrington have been transcribed. It says there that she is from Walton and he is living at Walsoken, so those are alternative villages. It might be also useful if you could give the age on the 1841 census for anyone trying to find Ann Liley as the age of her sister at marriage according to familysearch is 37 and his 22! Unfortunately none of these parishes are part of the familysearch Norfolk registers online
I find the map on familysearch useful to locate neighbouring parishes just in case some of the others have registers online. Can't paste a link as it won't allow me to. kaysii
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Hello and thanks,
The marriage of Thomas Banham to Ann Liley Porter on Free BMD says it was in Wisbeach, Mar Qtr 1840.
The 1841 census says they lived in Walsoken and they were both 25 years old - rounded to the nearest 5. Ann died in Mar 1842 leaving an 18 month old and a new baby. Thomas re-married in April 1842. Early in 1843 he and Mary had another baby - my ancestor.
In 1851 Thomas was 38 and Mary his new wife 48. I do have the Mary's marriage cert.
I have used family search but cannot find a map yet. If you have any other ideas on how to find Ann Liley Porter's father's name apart from the obvious I would welcome your help
With thanks, Charley
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Hi charley
There's an Anne Porter baptised 30 Aug 1818 in Tilney All Saints
Parents Simon and Sarah occupation Farmer
yokel
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Thank you, that could be useful if I can tie her up to the marriage as well! Not far away at all as I've just looked it up on the map.I'll drop it into the archives for future use. I am most grateful for your help.
Charley
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I have a copy of the marriage certificate. January 5th 1840. Marriage solemnized by banns .Father is Joseph Bodger - gardner . Bride is Ann Liley Porter , father John(son?) - farmer .Church isnt mentioned but it is Parish of Walsoken . Married by Edward Bates .Witnesses are Johnson and Mary Porter . Joseph and his wife Jane show up on the page opposite Thomas in the 1841 Census. My interest is in the "Banham" - perhaps his mother is Jane Banham ( tho I have no record of her - my banhams had some Norfolk roots but were mainly Cambridge .
Tony Banham
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Thank you Tony for this information. Thomas Banham Bodger's mother was Jane Banham wife of Joseph Bodger and they had 11 children that I know about! Was there a Mary Porter aged 38 on the 1841 census for Johnson and Mary Porter as that would then confirm that the two wives of Thomas Bodger were sisters. I'm almost sure that is the case as she was still a spinster when she married at 38.
I am most grateful for your help
best wishes, Charley
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Unfortunately not except that there is a Johnson ( age 40 ) and Mary ( age 35 ) Porter resident in West Walton , Norfolk in th 1841 census with presumably a son Johnson age 10 . Which might be consistent with Ann Liley in age . I can find no single Mary Porters in the 1841 Census resident in Norfolk . I see Thomas and Mary in the 1851 Census - she was born in Lincolnshire . I cant find a birth record for Ann in Lincolnshire .Will continue poking around. Do I recall you have a marriage cert for Mary and Tom ? What does it give for her father ?
Re Jane Banham do you have any family info ??
Tony
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Charley - strange - I have come across another Thomas Banham Bodger in the baptism records of Terrington St Clements. Date of baptism is 30 Nov 1836 . Father Ephraim , mother Mary. I suppose it could still be the same person - it wasnt totally unknown for someone to be baptised years after birth . But the parents name dont square with your info and I scrutinised fathers name carefully on the marriage certificate I have and it is clearly Joseph ! Any thoughts ? Just coincidence tho Mary and Jane most probably were related if she was Mary Banham ?
Tony
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Thanks for your continuing input. I also came across the second Thomas Banham Bodger. Mine was baptised in St Peters Wisbeach in 1813. His father was Joseph and his mother Jane Banham who were married 02 Apl 18.05. I'm a bit handicapped as the computer with all my family history on is sick, and so I do not have the information to hand on Jane Banham at the moment.
Thomas Banham Bodger first married Ann Lily Porter and after her death married Mary Porter - both were spinsters but Mary was 10 years the elder. Mary's father was John Porter, a farmer.
Were the Johnson Porter and Mary Porter on the 1841 census married or brother and sister? The age would be about right for her.
I will come back to you in due course.
Thanks again
Charley