RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: annette1234 on Wednesday 12 January 11 20:27 GMT (UK)
-
hi I've just started looking at my grans family from handborough or long handborough my gran was Minnie charlotte mansell also known as charlotte durran minnie born in 1888 her dad was James durran i was wondering where the name durran comes from also my gran said her dad and brothers and grandad and uncles was master carpenters and that they had worked at Blenheim palace does anyone know how i can find this out
Annette
-
I think we're looking for the same ancestors. My Grandfather's sister was Minnie Mansell. I've only got back to his grandmother, Charlotte Durran, born in Holywell, Oxford Parish, around 1820. Her father was called James and her father-in law was William Mansell. Do you have any more information?
-
Hi and welcome to Rootschat Margaret1913 and Annette....
I have Holywell Prs and could find no baptism for Charlotte although the marriage is on there. Im guessing you have this ....
You say Charlottes father was called James so looking at OFHS Oxfordshire Marriage Index i have found the following marriage that would fit
25 Dec 1818 James Durran, Steeple Aston to Anne Allen at Duns Tew
Is it possible Charlotte was born here ?
Sue :)
-
I've just started looking at my grans family from handborough or long handborough my gran was Minnie charlotte mansell born in 1888
This could be Minnie Charlotte Mansell born 1888 with her parents
1891c Broad Road, Handborough, Long Handborough
RG number:RG12 Piece:1174 Folio:64 Page:12
MANSELL, James Head Married M 35 1856 Carpenter Handborough
MANSELL, Charlotte Wife Married F 41 1850 Handborough Oxfordshire
MANSELL, John Son M 9 1882 ScholarHandborough
MANSELL, Fredk Son M 7 1884 ScholarHandborough Oxfordshire
MANSELL, Thomas Son M 4 1887 ScholarHandboroughOxfordshire
MANSELL, Charlotte M Daughter F 3 1888 HandboroughOxfordshire
1901c Brick Cottage, Handborough
RG13 Piece:1393 Folio:61 Page:10
MANSELL, James Head Married M 47 1854 Carpenter Hanborough
MANSELL, Charlotte Wife Married F 50 1851 Hanborough
MANSELL, Frederick Son Single M 18 1883 Under Carter (Farm) Hanborough
MANSELL, Thomas Son M 15 1886 Cow Man On FarmHanborough
MANSELL, Minnie Daughter F 13 1888 Hanborough
MANSELL, Kate Daughter F 8 1893 HanboroughOxfordshire
FreeBMD marriage http://www.freebmd.org.uk
Dec qtr. 1879 Whitney
James MANSELL
name on same page
Charlotte LAY
1881c Long Handborough, Handborough
RG number:RG11 Piece:1513 Folio:78 Page:15
MANSELL, James Head Married M 24 1857 Carpenter Handborough
MANSELL, Charlotte Wife Married F 32 1849 Handborough
MANSELL, John W Son Single M 0 1881 Handborough
Plus to boarders
1881census free to search
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
-
i was wondering where the name durran comes from
Birth entry
James Durran Mansell
1857 Jun qtr. Witney
his father also called James Mansell born 1820 mother also called Charlotte born 1820
1841c Handborough
HO107 Piece:890 Book/Folio:1/6 Page:4
MANSELL, Anne F 45 1796 Oxfordshire
MANSELL, Charles M 25 1816 Oxfordshire Carpenter
MANSELL, James M 20 1821 Oxfordshire Carpenter
It would appear that James Mansell Snr. (bn 1820) was married before Charlotte DURRAN as he's widowed on 1851 census
James MANSELL marriage
1846 Dec q Oxford
names on same page
Ann GRANT, Elizabeth COLES, Elizabeth MERRY
1851c Church Handborough
HO107 Piece:1731 Folio:9 Page:1
CLARK, Elizabeth Head Unmarried F 60 1791 Fundholder & House proprietor HandboroughOxon
MARSELL, James Nephew Widower M 31 1820 Carpenter Handborough
MARSELL, Mary Lodger Unmarried F 62 1789 Servant Handborough Oxon
1851c HO107 Piece:1728 Folio:50 Page:13
DURRAN, Charlotte Servant Unmarried F 31 1820 Cook Steeple Aston Oxfordshire
Marriage
Dec q 1851 Oxfordshire
James MANSELL
Name one same page
Charlotte DURRAN
1861c Handborough
RG09 Piece:904 Folio:58 Page:1
MANSELL, James Head Married M 40 1821 Carpenter Master Handborough
MANSELL, Charlotte Wife Married F 40 1821 Steeple AstonOxfordshire
MANSELL, Charles Son M 8 1853 ScholarHandborough
MANSELL, John C Son M 6 1855 ScholarHandborough Oxfordshire
MANSELL, James Son M 4 1857 ScholarHandborough Oxfordshire
MANSELL, Hedley Son M 1 1860 Handborough Oxfordshire
1871c Handborough
RG10 Piece:1450 Folio:61 Page:1
MANSELL, James Head M 52 1819 Oxfordshire
MANSELL, Charlotte Wife F 51 1820 Oxfordshire
MANSELL, John C Son M 16 1855 Oxfordshire
MANSELL, James D Son M 13 1858 Oxfordshire
MANSELL, Hedley Son M 11 1860 Oxfordshire
-
I have Holywell Prs and could find no baptism for Charlotte although the marriage is on there. Im guessing you have this ....
You say Charlottes father was called James so looking at OFHS Oxfordshire Marriage Index i have found the following marriage that would fit
25 Dec 1818 James Durran, Steeple Aston to Anne Allen at Duns Tew
Is it possible Charlotte was born here ?
IGI extracted christening
Charlotte DURRAN
16 JAN 1820 Steeple Barton, Oxford, England
father James DURRAN mother Anne
-
Many thanks for all the replies. It does seem as though Charlotte was indeed born at Steeple Aston.
-
hi Margaret it looks like we are following the same line what was your granfathers name i didn't know where the durran name came from so thankyou to you ladyhawk and sue lots for me to look into
Annette
-
Hi Annette
Great to hear from you. My grandfather was Thomas Mansell, born on 22nd September 1885. I can remember going down to Long Handborough with him when I was a child. We visited one of his sisters in her cottage, but I think it must have been Kate as she had an only son who, I think, suffered from cerebral palsy.
How far back have you got in your search?
Margaret
-
hi Margaret yes my mum has spoken about Kate and her son she cant remember HHS name my gran used to tell us stories of her growing up all the time unfortunately i cant really remember any. do you know when their mum died
Annette
-
hello again sorry i forgot to say how farback ,I've gone, on the Mansell side William born 1687 and on the Lay side Stephen Woodwood born 1777 but i would rather find out more about Gran's brothers, Kate and her parents. Do you know any thing about them working at Blenheim palace or how it came about that they had a road named after them (Mansell close) in church Hanborough look forward to hearing from you
Annette
-
Hi Annette
Sorry I haven't replied sooner.
My Grandad was Thomas Mansell. He married Ethel Rawins in 1905 and must have moved away from Long Hanborough. My father was born in Maxtoke, Coleshill and they ended up in Leicester. (I've often wondered if there had been a family dispute of some kind.) Grandad had 8 children.
I only ever heard him talk of Kate and Minnie. I didn't know he had a brother until I looked at the census.
I do have a photo of his mother, Charlotte Lay and we did have another, sadly lost, of his grandmother. He told us that she really brought him up. Whether this was Charlotte Durran I don't know.
I have a copy of a will? which was written by James Mansell and cites Minnie and Kate as executors and it mentions the following properties. Do you know anything about them? Millwood End, Rose Cottage, The Old school House in Long Hanborough and Stone Acre Piece nr Church Hanborough. I wonder if these properties were sold as building plots and that might be why there is a Mansell road.
Regards
Margaret
-
hi Margaret
This is so interesting to be able to find someone so close to my gran but have different memories yes i believe your right about there being a dispute in the family gran allways seemed a bit upset with her dad we allways thought it was because her mum died when gran was young and her dad didn't do a very good job of bringing them up which might have something to do with your grandad saying their gran brought them up but in the 1901 census their mum was 50 and gran was 13 so i dont know if we remember the stories properly.Mum can remember millwood end and that there was other properties ( but not the names). gran worked at the priory for a while she m married William George johnson they had 4 children and lived in wandsworth.
-
Hi Annette
I was really interested when you mentioned that our grandparents mother died when your Gran was young, because the photo I have, which I was always led to believe was their mum, is of an elderly lady. Perhaps she wasn't their Mum at all, but could she be Charlotte Durran instead? She's certainly wearing a late Victorian dress.
Do you know anything about their brother, Frederick? Did he die young?
My Grandad did mention people working at Blenheim Palace, but I don't know who, when or in what capacity.
Regards
Margaret
-
Hi Margaret
I haven't found out anything about Frederick but it looks like there was another brother called John W i think he might of died in the first world war as my aunt is convinced a brother died then she thought it was Fredrick as they didn't know about John ( born 1881 ) but when i looked at Hanborugh war memorial there is a John W Mansell on there i assume it is the same one but as you have probably found out there is so many of them with the same names that it gets a bit confussing. My mum remembers Mill End as where gg grandad lived and Rose cottage where Kate lived it looks like she was called Woodley.I would love to find out when their mum died i even went to my local
library for help (but it's in Plymouth ) they tried to help but couldn't find out anything from around the then. Annette
-
Hello again i just wanted to add i have found a death of a Charlotte Mansell date 1927 in the Witney parish aged 79 which is about the right age if she had lived to then but it doesn't add up to Gran's stories but again there is so many Charlotte Mansell's it's difficult to tell which one it is but cant find any others the library surgested she might of died in a hospital in another area. as she is 50 in the 1901 census i wonder if she died not long after that but again we thought gran was a young girl when she died (gran is 13 in 1901) so it's not really adding up.
Annette
-
I thought Charlotte Sarah Lay was born in 1861, but, as you say, there are so many that I could have the wrong one!! I'll also try to find out when she died.
By the way, I know that Kate was definitely called Woodley.
Margaret
-
Hi
I saw you mentioned a J Mansell from either Long Hanborough or Church Hanborough who died in WW1 and wondered if this is him and if this is of interest to you;
J C Mansell, Royal Army Ordnance Corps KIA 16 Feb 1919 Nr Halle belgium. He was son of John and Martha Mansell, of Church Hanborough, Oxon; husband of Alice Maud Mansell, of "North Lodge," Eynsham Hall, Witney, Oxon.
There are 21 known J Mansells commemorated on the CWGC site.
Hope this helps
Nigel
-
Very many thanks, Nigel, for your help. However, the John Mansell we're investigating was the son of James and Charlotte Mansell of Long Handborough. There seems to have been a great many 'Mansells' in that area!!
Regards
Margaret
-
You're very welcome and good luck with your research. Long Hanborough is a lovely place, I lived there for 7 years a while back
T ra
Nigel
-
H Margaret have you found John? In the 18181 census he was 6months old and Charlotte Lay/Manell was age 32 born 1849.In the 1891 his age is wrong as he is down as 19 but it looks like it was interprated wrong as it has a line crossed through it which makes it hard to read it should be 9 i think and Charlotte is age 41 born 1850.In the 1901 John isn't on it and Charlotte's changed again age 50 born 1851. are we following the same Charlotte. It's strange how both sides of the family didn't Know much if anything about John and Frederick have you found out any more about any of the family.
Annette
-
I've only recently started to look into the family tree - you seem to have done a lot of research.
as for Charlotte Lay, there seems to have been two born in the area at that time and I assumed that ours was the younger one, but obviously the Census proves me wrong!
There are two Frederick Mansells registered in Witney - one in 1882 and one in 1886. Do you know which one is ours?
I shall have to register with one of the Family History sites if I'm to make any real progress.
By the way, one of my uncles, whom I never met, supposedly went to live with an aunt when he returned from WWII. It could easily have been an aunt on his maternal side, but I thought I'd mention it in case he happened to have gone to your Grandma.
Regards
Margaret
-
Re Frederick this is where it can get a bit confusing as in the 1891 census his year of birth is 1884 and in the 1901 census his year of birth is 1883 so it could be 1882 it might help you to look back at the mesage Ladyhawk sent she gave us quite a lot of information that i didn't know. I'm on ancestry.co.UK with the family tree name Allen/Johnson so if you want to take a look your very welcome. I'll ask my mum if her or my aunt remember anything about someone staying there after the war but mum had moved down here to Devon by then