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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt......... and it's complicated!! Well, not complicated, just difficult to get your head around.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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Family of Nancy Jenkins is very difficult to find.
1851 census shows born St Keverne but there is no record of a Nancy Jenkins born St Keverne.
I have taken a guess as the most likely family is of a William Jenkins married Mary Tripcony in 1792 in St Keverne.
As to Lazarus Jenkins Bray there is a death in 1862 (47yo if I remember correctly) of Lazarus Jenkins, must be a family member.
As to Nancy Martin (Jenkins) in 1841 census 45yo, 1851 49yo, 1861 70yo, so it is a guess which one is close.
Thomas Marin creates similar problem and at this stage it is a guess. It appears that the Martins and the Jenkins moved around probably as a result of work, or lack of it.
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Reporting for duty Tephra! Will go and have a look
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Goodonya Spider, and you've beaten Toni and Lesanne :o :o
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Had to happen one day ;)
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So, Lazarus Jenkins Bray was born c. 1855 and appears on teh 1861 census with his parents and siblings at Illogan Downs
John Bray Head mar 39 Ropemaker bn Illogan
Nancy Wife mar 35 dressmaker bn Truro
James son 11 scholar bn Illogan
Lazarus J son 6 scholar bn Illogan
William J son 4 bn Illogan
Anne dau 2 bn Illogan
RG9; Piece: 1582; Folio: 66; Page: 18
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John Bray may have mar Nancy Martin Dec qtr Redruth 1848 9 315
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And so the logial family on the 1841 census is Ladylils' Thomas and Nancy Martin family:
Highway, Illogan
THomas Martin 50 Road surveyor
Nancy Martin 45
Nancy Martin junior 15
Thomas Martin junior 12
Elizabeth Martin 10
Mary Martin 7
HO107; Piece 142; Folio: 52; Page: 17
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Hello everyone, thanks for helping !
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How about this marriage then for Thomas Martin and Nancy Jenkins - 1 Jan 1825, Kea, Cornwall?
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Not sure if this will help or just confuse you...will add it anyway !
lazarus jenkin bray
father john bray
mother nancy or ann martin
father of nancy, thomas martin abt 1790
mother nancy jenkins abt 1795
father of john bray james 1784
mother frances bond 1783 probus
frances father andrew bond 1743
mother frances huddy 1753
andrew bond father thomas 1718
spouce mary andrew 1722
thomas father richard bond 1689
spouse tabitha grose
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I have the disc for Kea PR’s (not burials) at home
Could Nancy be Ann?
Have you looked at Cornwall-opc.org?
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Just trying to get this straight in my head is Nancy married in 1851 or with her parents? If she was married obviously there wont be a birth for her under the name of Jenkins
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How about this marriage then for Thomas Martin and Nancy Jenkins - 1 Jan 1825, Kea, Cornwall?
Sounds good !
I've contacted Peter who gave me the info + have posted him the link ! I'm hoping he'll join in soon !
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Just trying to get this straight in my head is Nancy married in 1851 or with her parents? If she was married obviously there wont be a birth for her under the name of Jenkins
I'm trying to work it out, very confusing !
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I have the disc for Kea PR’s (not burials) at home
Could Nancy be Ann?
Have you looked at Cornwall-opc.org?
Re nancy/ann bray. Nancy martin who married john bray, for some reason reverted to ann in the 1871 census.
Sorry but what are PR's (not burials) ?
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Just trying to get this straight in my head is Nancy married in 1851 or with her parents? If she was married obviously there wont be a birth for her under the name of Jenkins
Nancy-the-mother-of-Lazarus is married (1848, Redruth methinks) in 1851, to John Bray
Nancy-the-mother-of-Nancy is married to Tom Martin, and has knocked 10 years off her age in 1851 (allegedly!). Still living in Illogan though.
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Sorry but what are PR's (not burials) ?
PR = Parish Registers I have christenings and marriages but not burials
Obviously someone has transcribed these to disc so the usual pitfalls occur but better than nothing
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Ok, silly me !
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Just trying to get this straight in my head is Nancy married in 1851 or with her parents? If she was married obviously there wont be a birth for her under the name of Jenkins
Nancy-the-mother-of-Lazarus is married (1848, Redruth methinks) in 1851, to John Bray
Nancy-the-mother-of-Nancy is married to Tom Martin, and has knocked 10 years off her age in 1851 (allegedly!). Still living in Illogan though.
But which one is Nancy Jenkins?
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The one who married Tom Martin.
I was pondering the idea that the Martin marriage may have been a second one of Nancy (and maybe Tom). If she is born 1790 - 1795, then that makes her 30 - 35 if the Kea marriage is the correct one (big if, I know). Do we have any proof that her maiden name was definitely Jenkins?
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The Lazarus Jenkin who died in Dec 1862, may have got married earlier that year (Sept qtr Truro). Unfortunately, the index is mangled so it can't show who else is on the page
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Nancy Jenkins c1979
The one who married Tom Martin.
I was pondering the idea that the Martin marriage may have been a second one of Nancy (and maybe Tom). If she is born 1790 - 1795, then that makes her 30 - 35 if the Kea marriage is the correct one (big if, I know). Do we have any proof that her maiden name was definitely Jenkins?
m. to Thomas Jenkins
"Family of nancy jenkins is very difficult to find. 1851 census shows born st keverne but there is no record of a nancy jenkins born st keverne. I have taken a guess as the most likely family is of a william jenkins married mary tripcony in 1792 in st keverne."
I'm afraid I don't have any proof that her maiden name was Jenkins..........Peter who gave me the details added this (hope it can help) I have taken a guess as the most likely family is of a william jenkins married mary tripcony in 1792 in st keverne."
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Kea & Illogan are different parishes is they married in Kea but lived in Illogan then banns would have to be read in both parishes increasing costs and the entry would state of the parish of Illogan
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But we only know they are in Illogan from the 1841 census, we don't really know where they were previously. Nancy Bray nee Martin says she is from Truro on the 1861 census, but I haven't looked at her POB on the other censuses.
1851 - Kenwyn
1861 - Truro
1871 - Truro
1881 - Illogan
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Truro is much nearer to Kea
Re Nancy being Jenkins or not are there any Nancys born 1790-1795 in St keverne that coul dbe her maybe its a process of elimination
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Nancy Jenkins c 1795 maiden name unknown m. Thomeas Jenkins kea cornwall 1st jan 1825 is all I have.
1851 census shows born st keverne but there is no record of a nancy jenkins born st keverne.
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Have you looked for an Ann Jenkin(s) born in St Keverne. Nancy is a pet name of Ann I believe.
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just Nancy or Ann in St Keverne 1795 would be a help :)
have to go back later
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True ;D
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I have found Ann James 11 Aug 1795 (although she would likely be given as born 1796 on the census) St Keverne no Nancy’s
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Have been looking at a map of Cornwall to see how far theses places are from one another.
I've also been contacting people on Genes connected but so far no joy !
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The one who married Tom Martin.
I was pondering the idea that the Martin marriage may have been a second one of Nancy (and maybe Tom). If she is born 1790 - 1795, then that makes her 30 - 35 if the Kea marriage is the correct one (big if, I know). Do we have any proof that her maiden name was definitely Jenkins?
No we don't !
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there is no record of a nancy jenkins born st keverne.
Peter has taken a guess as the most likely family is of a william jenkins married mary tripcony in 1792 in st keverne."
Could this be a lead to Nancy/Ann Jenkins, just wondering !
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but i cant find an Ann or Nancy James marrying a Jenkins :-\
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The closest Nancy baptised at St Keverne I can find is Nancy Pentecost, daughter of Richard and Anne baptised 29/12/1794.
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The closest Nancy baptised at St Keverne I can find is Nancy Pentecost, daughter of Richard and Anne baptised 29/12/1794.
Forget her, she died unmarried in 1834.
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The closest Nancy baptised at St Keverne I can find is Nancy Pentecost, daughter of Richard and Anne baptised 29/12/1794.
Forget her, she died unmarried in 1834.
Poor thing ! R.I.P.
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Hi all
Just found you.
There may have been another child to John and Nancy:
Emma Jenkin Bray
Jun q 1849
Redruth
9 293
It seems that the middle names from the birth reg is Jenkin and not Jenkins. Throughout the censuses Lazarus is Jenkin ,without the 's'. His probate is also Jenkin.
deb :)
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baptisms from IGI extracted batch C065451 for St Mary's Wesleyan, Truro
Elizabeth born 14/9/1830 bp 30/6/1831 dau of Thomas Martin & Nancy
Mary born 2/10/1833 bp 16/1/1824 dau of Thomas Martin & Nancy Jenkin
from IGI extracted batch P009631 for St Mary, Truro (parish church)
Nancy bp 1/1/1826 dau of Thomas Martyn & Nancy
Ladylil, have you ever asked for a lookup for these people on the Cornwall board? The moderator, Krisesjoint, has lots of parish records on fiche and may be able to help.
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some more baptisms in Perranaworthal, about 3 miles from Kea
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=860393&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=860394&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=753004&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
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Don't think it is fully complete but
the other names under the marriage ref with Lazarus Jenkin at 5c 257 are
EVANS, Elizabeth Ann
EVANS, Elizett Ann
TERRELL, John
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this looks like it may be related. There's a marriage in St Keverne of William Jenkin & Mary Tripcony 17/7/1791
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=302791&dbtype=marriages&formval=
The following year a baptism to William & Mary Tripcony of a daughter called Nancy
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=647549&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
Possible recording of wrong surname?
There is a Lazarus Tripcony in St Keverne who may be related and he's the only Lazarus in the parish at the time.
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Hello All,
Just received email from Carol Barrett re my search for Nancy Jenkin(s) and Thomas Martin. Have to go out very shortly so no time to respond. However I will reply later today in some detail.
Thanks for your efforts, it is no good giving you something too easy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best Regards
Peter Martin
Adelaide
South australia
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Hi,
Re Nancy Jenkins,
Family search records show Thomas Martin married Nancy Jenkins 1st Jan 1825.
Records show births of
thomas (my gggf) Nancy (jnr) Elizabeth, mary.
Nancy Martin (jenkin (s)) as per census born St Keverne between 1791 and
1802 depending on which census you believe.
As there is no record of her being born in St Keverne and going by the age discrepansy, it is even possible she did not know wher she was born.
Nancy Martin (jnr) married John Bray and had several children
James named after john's father
Thomas Martin Bray named after Nancy's father
Lazarus Jenkin Bray, so where does this come from ????
Theoretically after Nancy Martin's (mother of Nancy Bray's) father or brother
I can find no record of Lazarus Jenkin that could be father of Nancy Martin.
There is a Lazarus jenkin 1861 Census age 46, location Vessel, so assume he was a mariner, born 1815 in Kea. Records show he married Sep 1862, Truro (near Kea) died Perranarworthal or Helston depending on which records to believe Dec 1862. Shows married life did not agree with him.
He was too young to be father of Nancy Martin (jenkins) but could have been son of Nancy's brother if he existed.
Regards
Peter Martin
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Episode 3
Hi,
As I indicated in info to Carol there was a William Jenkin who married a Mary Tripcony in St Keverne in 1792, with the only record of birth was a William Jenkin and Mary Tripcony having a son William in 1786 5 years before marriage, shame on them!!!!
There was a Nancy Tripcony born to William and Mary Tripcony 1792 St Keverne although I can find no marriage records, perhaps a mix up???
I found a Lazarus Jenkin marrying a Elinor Lloyd in Wales 1815, could have been father to Lazarus born abt 1815 Kea (mariner). That could mean they could have moved constantly.
As to Thomas Martin records it show in census, road surveyor, fancy name for road labourer, and they were constantly on the move. I will send info on Thomas Martin later, just in case you get bored with Jenkins
Thanks again
Peter
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Welcome to Rootschat, Peter...... that's one load of information you have there ;D ;D
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with reference to the death of Lazarus Jenkin, he was buried in Perranarworthal noted as living in Devoran in St Feock
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=673204&dbtype=burials&formval=
The death was registered as Helston dec qtr 1862 so could have been in any of these parishes which the registration district covered
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/helston.html
The death cert will tell you where it happened.
His marriage was registered in the Truro registration district, so in one of these parishes
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/truro.html
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my thoughts for today
They may have simply liked the name Lazarus not necessarily a connection with the other Lazarus
How do you know Nancys father if you do not have her christening? and her marriage was pre 1837 ?
Some of my Cornish relations moved to Wales to work in the mines there after a downturn in the mining industry in Cornwall .
this looks like it may be related. There's a marriage in St Keverne of William Jenkin & Mary Tripcony 17/7/1791 (1791 not 1792 as stated previously)
The following year a baptism to William & Mary Tripcony of a daughter called Nancy
do you mean she was bp. under Tripcony instead of Jenkin? I guess its how you read it but looks very likely to be your Nancy unless you can find any other records for a Nancy Tripcony
If you do not live in a place such as ST Keverne it is unlikely that you will make this place up as your place of birth
Nancys p.o.b maybe inconsistent but who filled in the form for the enumerator would they know where Nancy was born?
There is a Lazarus Tripcony in St Keverne who may be related and he's the only Lazarus in the parish at the time. – this is a good
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Hello again,
We do not know Nancy's father.
peter
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This is Thomas martin, son of Thomas and Nancy Martin (jenkins), sister of Nancy Bray (Martin). Thomas (photo) married Charlotte Tippet, who emmigrated to Sth Australia 1864
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Hi everyone,
Sorry I haven't been on today, I was too ill ! Feeling a bit brighter now !
Well I'm glad that Peter has joined in, as it was he who gave me the details some that i accidently deleted just before this scavenger hunt.
Thank you everyone for your hard work !
If anyone comes across Annie Bray (pob Illogan,Boscastle, Cornwall )dau. of John Bray + Ann/Nancy Martin 1821 I'd like to know if there was a spanish link.
My Mum always said she was Spanish I haven't found anything to confirm this.
Reading about the mariners + the Martins moving about a lot, made me want to ask!
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baptisms from IGI extracted batch C065451 for St Mary's Wesleyan, Truro
Elizabeth born 14/9/1830 bp 30/6/1831 dau of Thomas Martin & Nancy
Mary born 2/10/1833 bp 16/1/1824 dau of Thomas Martin & Nancy Jenkin
from IGI extracted batch P009631 for St Mary, Truro (parish church)
Nancy bp 1/1/1826 dau of Thomas Martyn & Nancy
Ladylil, have you ever asked for a lookup for these people on the Cornwall board? The moderator, Krisesjoint, has lots of parish records on fiche and may be able to help.
No I haven't ! Not sure if Peter has. I am just looking through the info that you've kindly put up today.
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some more baptisms in Perranaworthal, about 3 miles from Kea
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=860393&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=860394&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=753004&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
Thank you, you have been working hard ! Very informative.
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Nancy Martin (jnr) married John Bray and had several children
James named after john's father
Thomas Martin Bray named after Nancy's father
here you say you know Nancys father
but in all seriousnesss i think you have Nancys bp as Tripcony and Lazarus is her mothers brother
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John Bray married Nancy Martin - registered dec qtr 1848. That Nancy is the daughter of Thomas Martin. It's the Nancy married to Thomas Martin whose baptism is causing the problems, with the possible clerical error recording her as Tripcony.
The will of Bartholomew Tripconey, yeoman of St Keverne, dated 1819 ref AP/T/3856 may help if it mentions a daughter called Mary Jenkin. There are other Tripcony wills available. You can find the references here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05j5/
and get copies from Truro
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14713
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Hi Carol,
Re Annie Bray.
Annie shows up in 1881 not married 27 dress maker
There is a marriage in 1894, a marriage of Annie Frances Bray, she would have been abt 40. The only reason to believe this, is that mother of John bray was Frances Bray (Bond). She may have been christened Annie Frances?
Found on Family search Beta version
spouse: Peley Ballett
marriage: 19 Aug 1894 — Truro, Cornwall, England
record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Peley Ballett
bride's name: Annie Frances Bray
marriage date: 19 Aug 1894
marriage place: Truro, Cornwall, England
indexing project (batch) number: I04635-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1796108
Regards
Peter
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To All,
sorry about the size of the photo, will not do that in the future
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Carol,
Wrong again, Re Annie Bray, found the Annie Frances Bray b 1865, not our Annie Bray
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It's time for this weeks Scavenger Hunt...... and I'm sure you'll like this one. It's a bit of a challenge, but you'll get there.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,507908.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.