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I am new to this site please pardon my blunders. I am seeking info for my dad. The family info I have is: the location is St. Hiller, Jersey, Channel Islands. My great grandfather paternal name is Frederick Sharpe DOB 24 March 1910 married Hilda Gladys Sbire DOB 23 April 1888. She died 6 April 1918 in Fairmile house Dorset. Her father is James Sbire, her mother is Louise Alice Larbalestier. Hilda and Fredrick had 4 children George, Gladys , Less Sharpe who became wards of the Dr. Bernardo organization, the fourth child was a half brother and was removed when he was a few months old his name at birth was Bernard or Bertram this is the last information we have. If anyone has information relating to the Sharpe side of the family that might be helpful my dad would sure love it. Many thanks Laurie
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
I think your date of birth for Frederick should be a date of marriage
My great grandfather paternal name is Frederick Sharpe DOB 24 March 1910 married Hilda Gladys Sbire DOB 23 April 1888.
Marriages March qtr 1910
Hilda Gladys S'Bire Croydon 2a 571
Frederick Sharpe Croydon 2a 571
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This is the 1891 census for 1 Lisbon Villas Jersey - indexed as Shire. All b St Helier except where shown
Louisa A S'Bire 31 married - living on own means
Georgina M 5
Louisa H 4
Hilda G 2
George L 2mths b St Saviour
Georgina C Larbalestier 32 sister b Plymouth living on own means
Alice Shire 16 servant
Rosa Linane 19
RG12 Piece 4697 Folio 82 Page 2
Somebody called Sue LeLong has notified a transcription error - do you know of her?
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In 1901 - again incorrectly indexed as Sibre
41 St Saviours Rd St Helier - all children b St Helier and shown as niece/nephew
Georgina C Larbalestier 37 b Plymouth
Georgina M S'Bire 15
Louisa Harriette 14
Hilda Gladys 12
George Lambertus 10
Ida Matilda 8
R Drummond Griffith 84 (female) visitor b England
RG13 Piece 5312 Folio 33 Page 5
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The free 1911 index has a Frederick Sharpe living in Croydon Surrey but it cross matches to an entry for a "Mrs Gladys May Sharpe" b 1890
If you search the index for Gladys May Sharpe b 1890 living in Croydon and with a birthplace of "Channel Islands" - it matches
It does not match to a birthplace of any of the following - Jersey/St Helier/St Saviour
There is also a 3mth old Gladys May Sharpe in the household
If you have a copy of the 1910 marriage cert - what was the name and occupation of Frederick's father
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Hi Carol, in searching I have found S'Bire spelled so many ways it is crazy :) I believe Fredrick Sharpe's father was a Master Mariner, however I cannot find any other information. Fredrick Sharpe is the last Sharpe I can find and it is only through his wife Hilda Glady. I signed up for the 14 day trial through ancestry.com but it doesn't seem to have any information, in fact I found more information on-line on my own for free. :(
By the way what is 2a 571 ?
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If you look at the 1911 census page, you will see where Frederick was born which should help to narrow down choices on earlier censuses. If that doesn't work, then I'm afraid that you'll have to buy the marriage cert which will give father's name and profession.
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By the way what is 2a 571 ?
2A is the volume number and 571 is the page number - these are needed if you were ordering a copy of the 1910 marriage cert
If you have a look at the entry on freebmd - it will show you the full reference www.freebmd.org.uk
It's my fault - I forgot you were new and "lapsed" into just putting the type of info we use for more experienced researchers - sorry about that
To trace Frederick backwards - we need to know both his birthplace and his fathers name
If you do not already have a copy of the 1910 marriage cert - you would need to buy one to get that info
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I don't have a copy but I will look into it. this is all very interesting, thank you for your help.
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Following on from some pm contact with LLPS - it appears that Frederick Sharpe was born in Croydon and was a labourer in 1911
However - there is no match to his birthyear on either the 1891 or 1901 census
This is the nearest and in 1881 - fathers name was William so that marriage cert is still needed for confirmation
1891 for Croydon - indexed as SHOUPE
Elizabeth Sharpe 37 b Sussex - Lowfield Heath
Laura 16 b Kent Farnham
William 15 b Kent Orton Kirby
George 12 ditto
Frederick 5 b Croydon
RG12 Piece 593 Folio 89 Page 11
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Hi Carol I would like to thank you for the help and the answers to my daughter on the Sharpe family. My grandfather Frederick Sharpe was born 1888 and died in 1959. his first wife was Hilda Gladys Sharpe.they had three children and one was my father. My grandfather was away in the first world war when my Grandmother Hilda came down with Tuberculosis and was sent to a work house to live out her days. The children were put in the care of Dr.Barnardo. I do believe that my grandfather married two more times and that is where I am now. My greatest pleasure would be to find one of my half sisters or brothers and hopefully they may have a photo of my grandparents. I am not to quick on this computer but will do my best. Thanks again. Jerry Sharpe
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Hi Carole I did find a lot of information from the LeMay Family Tree. I have e mailed her as there are some additions to add on and some dates to be checked. Hope I here from her soon............Jerry Sharpe
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Are you sure that Bernard was a half brother? There is a Bernard H Sharpe bn Sept qtr 1917 Croydon 2a 449 with mothers maiden name of S'bire
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Hi Spidermonkey
I have info obtained by pm that confirms he was a half brother. Hilda was the victim of a sexual attack which resulted in his birth
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Thanks for clearing that up Carole, and poor Hilda.
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I have some information that might be of interest to the Sharpe family. Hilda Gladys was my father's sister and I have history of the drowning of their father and past generations. I live in Australia and am a raw beginner on this site and am rather uncertain of the protocol.
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Hello BHSB, thank you for your reply, so your surname is Sbire? and Hilda Gladys is your aunt? I didn’t know that Hilda had a brother; I found that she had a sister; Louisa Harriet Sbire. If this rings true it would be awesome to share information with you. (I am not 100% sure on how to navigate around this site myself so it will be a learning experience, FYI I share this login with my dad so you may receive messages from both of us. I did sign up for ansestory.com and have obtained a lot of information there but there are still holes and some information I fear may not be as accurate. Have you joined Anstory.com? If not that’s okay I will share what I have with you. Watch out this is addictive :)
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Very nice to contact you LLBS - perhaps you are a Sharpe of ?generation!!!!! My surname is S'bire - my father was George Larbalestier S'bire b. Jersey 1891. Both her and his youngest sister were sent to France to school at a very early age where he stayed until joining the British Army in 1914 - the only family he seems to have stayed in contact with was Ida Matilda b.1892. Their mother, Louisa Alice must have either died in childbirth or soon after as she is no longer in the census of 1901. The family was looked after by her sister Louisa Larbalestier I understand. There were 4 older sisters - Georgina Mary b1885 - Louisa Harriet b1887 - Hilda Gladys b 1888 - Florence Larbalestier b1890 but I have no history of their lives. The family tree I have dates back to Nicolas of Normandy whose son Nicolas b 1722 seems to have started this branch. Helier James b.1859 was a master mariner and his ship "The Renown" carrying granite between Guernsey aand London was lost in a storm in 1891 with the loss of 8 lives. As your grandfather was also a MM maybe there is a connection there. I am not a great researcher. I came across your search by accident and thought you may be interested in the information I had. Best of luck in your search. Kind regards Barbara.
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Hello Barbra, this information is very interesting, I love to find these little gems, I often wonder if our ancestors’ ever entertained the thought that they have left behind a legacy such as this.
My email address is (*) , if you are able to share an email address with me I can send you information that I have and perhaps we can each fill in the family tree. As I mentioned before I do have a membership with Ansestory.com but I typically postpone my membership for the summer and pick it up again in the fall, I am looking forward to chatting with you some more. Best Regards Laurie Sharpe
If I have learned anything doing this research is that there are misspelled names, dates can be off by a few years, and not everything you read is accurate.
FYI, this is what I found on the website:
http://www.guernsey-society.org.uk/donkipedia/index.php5?title=St_Helier_baptisms_1842-1909_Sebire_to_Simmons
DOB: 12/05/1885, DOC: 18/05/1885, Christian Name: Sebire Georgina May, Father: Hellier James Mother: Louisa Alice Larbalastier, Godparent: George John Larbalastier Georgina Caroline Larbalastier
DOB: 29/03/1889, DOC: 17/04/1889, Christian Name: Sebire Florence Larbalestier , Father: Henry Thomas, Mother: Louisa Alice Larbalestier, Godparent: Thomas Edward Blackford Jane Elizabeth Blackford
DOB: 05/02/1891, DOC: 25/02/1891, Christian Name: Sebire George, Larbalestier , Father: Helier James, Mother: Louisa Alice Larbalestier, Godparent: Father
DOB: 10/06/1892, DOC: 22/07/1892, Christian Name: Sebire Ida Matilde , Father: Helier James Mother: Louisa Alice Larbalestier, Godparent: Minnie Ida Heywood
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Hi Laurie, I am very happy to share an e-mail address with you - seems the best way to exchange info. as I have a few pages to copy. You will no doubt realise that I am ancient but quite active and seem to have maintained a few marbles. This is the first time I have "spoken" on this machine and I have not joined Ancestry - my cousin who lived in Bexhill did the research I have through an agent before he died. I find the history of the shipping quite interesting -Helier James was obviously my grandfather and your ?????? Cheers, Barbara
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Ancient! LOL I like you already, Let’s see, Me (Laurie Sharpe), my dad (Gerald Fredrick Sharpe) , his father/my grandfather (George Fredrick Sharpe) his mother/ my great grandmother (Hilda Gladys) and her father/ my great great grandfather was Helier James… does this sound accurate? I’ll going to pull out some information that I have and perhaps we can piece together a bit of the puzzle. My dad did receive information about the Sbire’s from the church in England sometime ago so I can send you that information if you would like.
I do find that once you start digging things get confusing, there is so much information out there it’s hard to organize it in a chronological order, but it’s fun trying.
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Hi Laurie, Sounds good to me!! I am just trying to work out how to proceed with this e-mail arrangement. Unfortunately my information is all S'bire based but might fill in a gap or two. It seems that the eldest sister Georgina May died in the influenza epidemic in 1920 - that leaves Louisa Harriet and Florence Larbalestier unaccounted for - as you say, it all becomes a bit tricky but we'll see where it goes. Barbara.
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Hi Laurie, I am having trouble with my email as I have changed my address - I hope you get this - I have tried to put things on PM but seems unsuccessful. Will get it together soon I hope!!!!!! All the best, Barbara
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Could you see if you receive my e-mail address as I can't seem to find yours!!!!
I'm tryin g a different way of writing it - just substitute the (at) by the usual @ sign and send a reply direct to me.
Barbara
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Hi Laurie, I am having trouble with my email as I have changed my address - I hope you get this - I have tried to put things on PM but seems unsuccessful. Will get it together soon I hope!!!!!! All the best, Barbara
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Hi Laurie, I seem to have "stuffed up" the system with my new address - perhaps you have found more info. your end. Should I try and make another move or do you have everything you need from this end. Best wishes, Barbara.
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George Sharpe was my Great Great Grandfather - his name was actually George Fleury Sharpe but for some reason on the census he was shown as George Frederick Sharpe. He lived at J. Lewis cottages, Warwick Street, Deptford. He was a railway signalman born in Kilmore, County Antrim, N. Ireland. He died in 1899. George was the son of Robert Sharpe - a Tanner also from Kilmore.
In 1860 he married, Margaret Dobson in Gateshead. Margaret was a butchers daughter from Bedlington in Cumbria.
They had 5 Children:
1 Joseph Sharpe born 1865 in South Shields
2 Mary Sharpe born 1866 in Southwark London
3 George Sharpe born November 21 1869 in Deptford ( my Great Grandfather)
4 Robert Sharpe born 1873 Deptford
5 John Sharpe born 1876 Deptford.
Margaret died and George remarried - Amelia Jane Saunders on May 9th 1892.
Hope this helps - my email is * should you wish to contact me.
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I know this thread is some 6 years old but I am hoping that some of the contributors are still around.
Frederick Sharpe was my Grand Uncle – I’ve only just discovered that he married Hilda Gladys S’bire so I know nothing of that side of the family and very little about Frederick’s later life. For example, after Gladys’ death, did he marry Eva Maud Craig? (They appear in the 1939 Register living at 8 Tamworth Road, Croydon.)
However, I do have a lot of information about Frederick’s family if anyone is interested.