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I have come across a death notice for my 4 x great grandfather in South Australia and it states that Matthew Ormsby (1) was a soldier in the 12th Regiment of Foot. Matthew was born in Sligo Ireland and I believe they may have been stationed in Lancashire as I have found a Matthew Ormsby (who may be the father of Matthew Ormsby (1)) in the 1861 English census in Liverpool Lancashire and he was a retired military officer and from Sligo Ireland. Also in the South Australian death notice for Matthew (1) was a statement of "Liverpool Mercury please copy". My 4 x great grandfather was in South Australia in 1853 as he had a son born in that year in Adelaide. I have googled 12th regiment of foot and it points to them being in Victoria for the Eureka Stockade. Would anybody have any idea where I could get more information on the 12th regiment please???? and I am seeking information about the Ormsby family in Toxheth Park in Liverpool please????
Thanks Deb Robinson
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Hi Deb
There is a death recorded on FreeBMD for a Matthew Phibbs Ormsby in March (qtr) of 1865. It was in West Derby which was basically modern day Liverpool, apart from the city centre. This may give details of what type of officer he was, as he is not coming up in the London Gazette website. Nor can I find him in a few Army Lists of the period. So he may have sold his half-pay commission, or was an officer of the Volunteers.
I would also suggest you post a question on MERSEYSIDE GENEALOGY & HISTORY FORUM as I believe a few members have access to the Liverpool Mercury archives.
Have now found this – http://www.royalblood.co.uk/D804/I804358.html - which suggests they were not related
PS...when did the soldier die and how old was he? Also, where did you get the information that the 12th were in Australia in 1853? My records have one battalion in the Cape, and the other leaving Cork for NSW in July 1854.
Ken
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Let's put some more census data on the table:
1841
Edge Vale, Walton on the Hill
Matthew Ormsby 45 Ind
Thomas 20
Elizabeth 20(?)
Jane 15
Rebecca 15
Dora 10
All born Ireland
1851
Cleveden Street, Toxteth Park
Matthew Ormsby wid 59 Assistant Messenger, Court of Bankruptcy
Eliza daur 28
Rebecca daur 22
Dorothea daur 20
All born Ireland
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The Liverpool Mercury March 19th 1885, Deaths
Ormsby: March 15 at 37 Wilson Street, Elizabeth eldest daughter of the late Matthew Ormsby esq and grandaughter of the late George Ormsby of Belvoir and John Ormsby of Canmin, esqs, in the County of Sligo
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The Liverpool Mercury March 19th 1877, Deaths:
Ormsby: March 16 at 316 Park Road, Dora Edith, youngest daughter of the late Matthew Ormsby of Bellvoir, County Sligo
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The 12th Regiment of Foot became the Suffolk Regiment in 1881, and are now part of The Royal Anglian Regiment.
There is a Suffok Regiment website, and you may be able to use it for more information about their service in Australia and Lancashire:
http://www.suffolkregiment.org/Menu.html
It seems clear that the regiment was at the Eureka Stockade.
A
Added:
From 1881 census [LDS transcription on disk]- perhaps related:
Dwelling: 24 Park Rd
Census Place: Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341871 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3637 Folio 75 Page 3
George ORMSBY M 50 M Castle Willen, Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Drapers Assistant
Martha ORMSBY M 39 F Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Wife
William ORMSBY U 15 M Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: General Clerk
Emily ORMSBY U 13 F Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
George ORMSBY U 11 M Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William MITCHELL U 20 M Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Rivetters Appce Shipbuilder
AND
Dwelling: 358 Park Road
Census Place: Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341872 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3642 Folio 121 Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elizabeth ORMSBY U 68 F Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Hosier
Rebecca ORMSBY U 45 F Ireland
Rel: Sister
Occ: Dressmaker
Moderator Comment: topics merged
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Elizabeth, Rebecca and Dora are in lodgings at 52 South Street in the 1871 census
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Ormsby burials at Toxteth Park include:
Mathew Phibbs
aged 81, H.M Customs, 52 South Street, 26 January 1865
Dora
aged 42 , 316 Park Road, 22 March 1877
Elizabeth
aged 66, 27 Wilson Street, 20 March 1885
Rebecca
aged 66, 31 David Street. 21 April 1892
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Liverpool Mercury January 25th 1865; Deaths:
Ormsby: January 20 at 52 South Street aged 81, Matthew Phibbs Ormsby, esg, son of the late George Ormsby of Bellevoir County Sligo, Ireland
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This does seem to fit:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p13021.htm#i130209
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Hi
I would like to say thank you all so much for the messages about the Ormsby Family. I tend to believe that Matthew Ormsby is the possible father for my ancestor Matthew Phibbs Ormsby (1). The death notice in the South Australian Register on 27th August 1873 has Liverpool Mercury please copy. Would someone please be able to see if a death notice appeared in the Liverpool Mercury Aug/Sept 1873??? Matthew Phibbs Ormsby (1) died 7th August 1873 Kadina South Australia.
Thank you so much
Cheers Deb
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Hi Km1971
The link that you provided is definitely my family as Matthew Phibbs Ormsby was married to Eleanor O'Neil and came to South Australia pre 1853 as their son Francis was born here in Adelaide. Matthew and Eleanor's son George Francis was my 3 x great grandfather.
I googled the 12th Regiment of Foot and this website came up with the 12th Regiment having gone to the Eureka Stockade confrontation.
I have been unable to find how the Ormsby family came to South Australia and hopefully one day I can break down the brickwall.
Cheers Deb