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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: PatriciaCP on Wednesday 05 January 11 18:11 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace the origins of the Frizelle family from New Ross and Eniscorthy. I have some names going back to the 1720s which include Sutton, Nicholas and a Charles and Martin but I am keen to know where they came from as it is clearly not an Irish name. Any help and suggestions gratefully received.
PatriciaCP
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I think Frizelle is of French origin- possibly Huguenot.
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from MacLysaght's Irish Surnames :
Frizell : (Norman-French the Friesian) Families of this name were established in Munster in the 13th Century and gave their name to Frieselstown in Co. Limerick. They subsequently became scattered.
Shane
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Many thanks for these replies. I have come across many variations of the name Frizelle, Frizel, Frizzel etc but did not realise that it could be Norman. It was suggested at one time that they came from Alsace-Lorraine...
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Please if any one else has ideas about this, do post them...but thanks
PatriciaCP
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Hi Patricia
My name is Terry Condio. My great-grandmother was Margaret Frizelle of New Ross. Charles and Martin are in my family tree. Are you related to Owen Frizelle or Carol Farmer? Is Catherine Fitzhenry and Johanna Roche in your family tree?
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Hi
I am delighted to hear from you.
My Mother was Kathleen Frizelle b1908 and her parents Thomas Frizelle and Mary Cullen came from New Ross. I live in England but am only in contact with one current member of the Frizelle family in that area - she is Jenny Frizelle daughter of James b.(*). He is brother of an OWEN FRIZELLE and son of Sam b.1905.
CATHERINE FITZHENRY certainly is on our tree as the second wife of a Nicholas Frizelle ( ?1800- 1880) of New Ross who worked in Customs. His first wife was Monica Wall (d?1825)
This Nicholas Frizelle was son of another Nicholas ( aren't there dozens of them!) and Ann Williams who was the brother of the 2 hanged rebels Charles and Martin.
I don't see a Carol Farmer or Johanna Roche but I don't have a full tree and what I have is full of question marks.. An uncle of mine ( Uncle Nicholas) did some research which he passed to me before he died about 20 years ago but it is very incomplete and I only took it up again recently as I hope to be in New Ross myself this year ( I am a travel journalist).
I was delighted to learn via this site, that the family dates back to Nooman times
Do keep in contact and let me know where you live. ( I don't know if we are supposed to give our email addresses - do you? ) but I am sure we must be distantly related.
best,
Patricia
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Hi Patricia
We are definitely related. I have been in contact with Owen Frizelle. My mother (*), is the granddaughter of Margaret Frizelle. Margaret Frizelle was the daughter of Patrick Frizelle (brother of Nicholas Frizelle) and Johanna Roche. Patrick's father was Nicholas Frizelle and Catherine Fitzhenry. Very Norman names I must say.
I was born in Vancouver, Canada like my father. My father, (*), and my mother, (*), who are 87 and 86 live in Vancouver as well. My brother lives a short ferry ride away. My mother is a war bride who came to Vancouver in 1946.
Travel journalism sounds like a very interesting job. I am an accountant. I (*)
Take care for now
Terry
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Hi
Cornelia Frizell of Rochestown Old Ross was married to William Elmes of Ballymullin High constable for Wexford. [her will dated 1769] she was the Daughter of [or sister of]? Joseph Frezell of Rochestown, and in the book "Old Ross the town that never was"
The Frezells were a German Palatine family refugees given land in Ireland Cirda 1709 by the English Government who looked on colonization as a solution to the Irish problem
John Gregory
PS I tried to send a copy of the will but I was unsuccessful
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As I have posted in the Elmes of Rochestown, Old Ross, the Frizelles & Elmes family were indeed palatine refugees from Germany who were given Farm Lands in Old Ross area belonging to Lord Ram. Please Contact The Rector St. marys Church of Ireland, The Rectory, College Road, new Ross, Co. Wexford, who would keep the Parish registers for St. Marys church of Ireland ,Old Ross which would have been their place of worship. Also many palatine families were massacred at Scullabogue barn, during the 1798 rebellion. There is a monument to them in the grounds of St .Marys Church of Ireland, Old Ross which was erected in 1998. Lord Ram actually lived outside Gorey , Co. Wexford, but had a very large estate in the Old Ross area which was colonised by the Palatine families. A glance at the Old Ross parish registers shows the names Elmes, Frizelle, Hornick, Hess, Hartrick, intermarriage was common between these families.
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Thanks for your reply will be in Foulksmills August 1st -6th at Rose cottage on holiday in the mean time I will try to find a way to send my address My wife is The Daughter of the late Thomas of Terrarath
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Eleanor Frizell;
1756 Whitestown Wexford
Father; Charles Frizell
Spouse; Joseph Meadows
Marriage; 1775
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Jack
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Hi! I am so pleased to have found this post! My name is Neil Thomas Frizelle. My farther is * Frizelle, son of Frank Frizelle, son of Thomas Frizelle married to Ameila Frizelle (nee Humphreys) My dads great uncle Nick was brother of Thomas and we have a famly tree dating back to the 17th, all of which mention two brothers who were hanged and some of the names and links are amazing. Though i havent got the tree here with me whilst i type, my parents have and we are very keen to discuss this further with you! Even the fact that Nick died 20 odd years ago and he was a historian and private tutor and he apparently had done a lot of research on the frizelle family name! There are two many things you say that cant be coincedence! As far as i was aware i was the last in the line of frizelle's until my wife and I had our first child, * Frizelle on the 29/01/2011, I would love to heare more from you and be in touch. My email is * please get in touch!
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Thanks Neil I am sure we'll find some interesting connections in our trees.
I am also interested in the mention of the Scullabogue massacres in a previous post.
On our tree we have 2 brothers,Charles and Martin Frizelle b 1772 & 3 who are described as being'hanged as rebels' in 1798 they also had a brother John b 1769 who married Eliz White and died in 1799 and next to his name on the tree is the word Scullabogue.
Any information gratefully received.
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hey how can i pm you im definitleyu related!
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ive just come back from my mams and all the names you mentioned exsist inclufing the hanged rebels! how can o contact u with more info privatley
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thanks for your help
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I should like to thank everyone who has responded.
I now have much more information on the Frizelle family that I anticipated and have found several living relations and connections.
One thing however continues to puzzle me. In the New Ross area of Wexford where the branch I am interested lived, it would seem that some of this, or very similar name were Catholics and others Protestant.
I now know that the origins could be Norman - would these be Catholic? or possibly Palatinate when they would be Protestant.
Can anyone explain this seeming anomaly?
thanks
P.C-P
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Frizelle was indeed a palatine name , being one of the palatine families colonised on Abel Rams lands in Old Ross area. Through the years , some of them became catholic through marriage to a catholic. It being a requirement by some priests to convert to Catholicism when a protestant married a catholic. But you will find both protestant & Catholic members of the same branch.
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Thank you, that does offer me an explanation. There was a suggestion in my branch of the Frizelles that they originated from Alsace Lorraine. Is it known if Palatine families come from there? Does anyone know a good source for Palatine history?
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Frizell is a name used commonly in Scotland for Fraser. Gaelic = Friseal. Skoosh.
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http://www.irishpalatines.org/
there is a mention of Frizelle name in list of Palatine families
might be worth getting contact with the society
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Hi all,
I'm piecing the Frizelle family tree together bit by bit (with my cousin Patricia CP who started this thread and various other family members), and a lot of the names that are coming up here are on the tree that I've got.
I have a family tree going back to 1717 in PDF format, which I'll happily email to any interested people who want to trace their roots and help add to it. I'm just after setting up a website, www.frizellefamilytree.com, so I'd be delighted if you check that out and send on any family info you have. (I'm not making the PDF available on the website for privacy reasons, but if you contact me I'll email it to you).
All the best,
Jennie.
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Hi,
I've received a hand-written scroll from James Frizelle in Australia, whose ancestors originate in Northern Ireland. I can't see any connection between that family tree and my own, but maybe someone out there could have a look and see if they can find a link.
The tree begins with William Frizell (no final 'e' at that stage) in 1783 in Strabane, and I have put the first 4 generations on the Frizelle family tree website (www.frizellefamilytree.com) so please do have a look.
Also, there is a 'Back to our past' event in Dublin this weekend (21st - 23rd October 2011, see http://www.backtoourpast.com/mysitecaddy/site3/index.htm) which I'm going to on the Sunday (23rd) so if anyone would like to meet up there just let me know. You can contact me through the forum here, or the frizelle family tree website.
J.
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I too have Frizzel in my tree (husbands side) whom I believe was born in Port Rush Co Antrim, circa 1857 and when she moved to Scotland changed her name from Ellen Frizzel to Helen Frazer. Later immigrated to Australia. Finding it hard to find information due to the name changes.
Debi