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Title: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 03 January 11 17:56 GMT (UK)
just beginning family tree and hit brickwall. my great grandfather was william henry climo born 1859 in penzance,cornwall but cannot find anymore about him esp before this. i know he married beatrice ann bennetts in 1880 and they had my grandfather william john 1882.would like to find more about william henry and also anything about family pre 1859.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Mort29 on Monday 03 January 11 18:09 GMT (UK)
do you have his marriage papers - hopefully showing his father's name?
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 January 11 18:10 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

from freebmd

Births December qtr 1858   
William Henry Cornish Climo     Penzance  5c 310
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Mort29 on Monday 03 January 11 18:22 GMT (UK)
Clemo seems to be a frequent alternative spelling.

Do you know any siblings names if you dont know his parents' ?
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 January 11 18:57 GMT (UK)
The only William Henry Climo/Clemo b 1859 on the IGI/census was b St Austell

In 1891 - your grandfather William John Climo aged 9 b Ludgvan was living with his maternal grandmother Emily Bennetts aged 56 also b Ludgvan

RG12 Piece 1853 Folio 11 Page 15
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 03 January 11 20:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your unbelievably quick responses.unfortunately dont have marriage certificate just yet but believe william henry climo' fathers name was john. and i do know they were tailors (occupation) if that helps.
This william henry cornish climo, sounds interesting but is there anyway i can prove he's my ggf without ordering birth certificate.
I will look at the one born in St Austel but do know that my ancestors were mainly from Ludgvan,Madron,Marazion and Penzance areas.
You are right about my grandfather william john. he did live with his grandmother Emily Bennetts(Nicholas) when he was 9. His mother Beatrice remarried a Charles Kilminster and they all moved together to Wolverhampton around 1900.
It is just William Henry Climo that i cannot get any concrete facts about.
Thanks for all your help and i will persevere with this very addictive hobby.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 January 11 22:57 GMT (UK)
Strange - Beatrice married Charles Kilminster under her maiden name

Marriages March qtr 1890 
 
Beatrice Bennett   Plymouth  5b 439   
Charles Henry Kilminster   
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 January 11 23:09 GMT (UK)
1901 for Wolverhampton

Charles H Kilminster 40 b Batcombe Somerset - railway engine driver
Beatrice A   38 b Marazion
Charles V 10 b Plymouth
John Climo 18 nephew b Penzance
RG13 Piece 2671 Folio 33 Page 8

I can't see any death for William Henry Climo on freebmd
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 January 11 23:13 GMT (UK)
1891 for Plymouth indexed as Kelmenster

Charles H Kilminster 30 b Batcombe - railway fireman
Beatrice A   26 b Ludgvan
Charles V  3 mths b Plymouth
RG12 Piece 1733 Folio 4 Page 1
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 January 11 23:28 GMT (UK)
The problem with trying to trace back from William is that there is no concrete evidence at the moment on which to base a search

The 1881 shows he was born Penzance.  However - Beatrice is also shown as b Penzance yet the 1891 and 1901 show Marazion and Ludgvan

William's occupation does not help on an 1871 search as he was only 12yrs old at that time

Climo is spelt several ways and in 1861 there are 3 William H Clemo's and 2 William Clemo's.  Also a William Clymo

All were born Cornwall but none were born in Penzance and the only one with a father called John was b St Austell

From the IGI

William Henry Clemo Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Jun 1860  SAINT AUSTELL
Father's Name: John Clemo Mother Elizabeth
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Tuesday 04 January 11 19:11 GMT (UK)
Thanks CaroleW for your interest and help. I will check the William H Clemo's as i have only looked at climo's.
Its a mystery to me why Beatrice remarried under her maiden name rather than Climo.
Seems William Henry must have done something really bad or perhaps they never divorced.Who knows?

Your information is very helpful and I'm amazed how quickly you gain it.Once again Thanks.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 04 January 11 19:24 GMT (UK)
I notice you say that you "believe" his father was John

Quote
unfortunately dont have marriage certificate just yet but believe william henry climo' fathers name was john

It may be an idea to get a copy of the cert and confirm his fathers name and occupation just to be on the safe side

Just to add to the problems - he could have been illegitimate!!
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: stanfisher on Tuesday 23 August 11 11:42 BST (UK)
I was browsing the Polruan census for 1861 and realised that there were four or five families of Climos there. Since the Cornwall online census is free suggest you peek at all the years and get a picture of where they came from etc. Polruan is under 'Lanteglos in Fowey' to save you searching for it.

Good luck
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Tuesday 23 August 11 18:49 BST (UK)
After 9 months of research and investigations i am still intrigued and mystified by my ggf William Henry Climo.
On his marriage certificate to Beatrice Bennetts it states his father as John,but i think this may really have been his Grandfather on his mothers side. The reason for this is that i obtained the birth certificate for William Henry Cornish Climo and he was born illegitimately to Ann Climo, whose father was John Saunders Climo if i have the right family.
I do believe this was my Great Grandfather.
The other theories i have are that he later dropped the name Climo and used Cornish as his surname.I have no hard proof of this but a William Henry Cornish born1858 in Penzance appears on London Censuses.He was also a Tailor.Apparrently he married a Mary from Porthleven Cornwall but i have searched and searched and cannot find her or her Maiden name. Stuck again!
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Daisypetal on Sunday 28 August 11 16:08 BST (UK)

Hi,

Later Mary CORNISH is with her daughter Mary Melvina and married daugher Margaret MUNDY in Bristol, William Henry CORNISH is an Inmate in HM prison, Gloster Road Bristol,

This could be his death,

William H CORNISH    Jun Q 1911    Bristol    6a  131
Age: 52


Do you have William in 1861 and/or 1871 as either CLIMO or CORNISH?


Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 29 August 11 17:50 BST (UK)
Looks like you are right Daisy.I do believe that is his death.And so he ended up in prison,how could i find out what he was jailed for?
This must be the same person because i do recall William Henry CLIMO having some relation,an aunt i think,named Melvina.With such an unusual name like this it seems too much of a coincidence to have a daughter with the same name.
The only census i have him on as William Henry CLIMO is the 1881 where he is married to Beatrice Bennetts and living in Redinnick Terrace, Penzance.He then dissappears.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Amber1976 on Wednesday 19 September 12 05:30 BST (UK)
Hello!

I have a record for a William Henry Climo, born in 1851. His family lived in St Austell, Bodmin, Cornwall.
His parents were George Climo & Mary Ann Cook, who married in 1838.
Their children were:
Rebecca Climo (born 1840)
Mary Ann Climo (born 1843). She married Richard Rowe, in Bodmin, 1862
Samuel Cook Climo (born 1846). He married Emily Searle, in Bodmin, 1880
William Henry Climo (born 1852). No other information is given.

I have the Climo Book, "Mabinogi an Clem" (The Children of Clem). It's the family book, written by Canadian Climo cousins. I am a Climo descendant, through Christopher Climo & his wife, Mary Booking. Their son, James Booking Climo is my 4th gr.grandfather & emigrated to NZ in 1840.

How are you getting on with your Climo research?

Kind regards,

Amber
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Daisypetal on Wednesday 19 September 12 15:42 BST (UK)
Hi Amber,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

Are you looking for info about William Henry CLIMO b.1852, son of George and Mary? If so I think I can see him in the censuses until 1911, let me know if you would like me to transcribe the images for you.

Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Wednesday 19 September 12 21:02 BST (UK)
Hi Amber,
              Your Climo's are different to mine but are probably related somewhere along the line.
My William Henry was born 1858 in Penzance illegitimately to Ann Climo whose parents i believe were John Saunders Climo and Amelia Moon/Beckerleg.
Most of my ancestors were from Penzance area but as with most Climo's originated in the Bodmin area.
John and Amelia had another son, John Saunders, who also emigrated to Canada and i believe became a very successful photographer.
I will have to try and get "Mabinogi an clem", sounds interesting.

Regards Gary
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Post by: Gossypium on Tuesday 02 October 12 11:33 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Amber1976 on Saturday 02 February 13 22:48 GMT (UK)
Hello again,

Yes I believe all the Climo's of Cornwall are attached - I have the family tree dating way back to the late 1400s and it is huge! It started with researching our direct line but the further we went back, the more Climo's that popped up!
Mabinogi en Clem is not for public sale - but there are copies available through Amazon books (that's where my Mother found it). It was written and published for the purpose of a family geneaological record - it is an amazing book so if you can find a copy, it will be well worth the money spent!
The Climo's lived all over Cornwall. Our lot came from the Bodmin area but the others lived and worked in the following districts: Truro, Crantock, Penwyth, St Newlyn, St Austell, Lanivet, Redruth, Fowey, Enoder & Trewalla, as well as other areas. Our direct line has been noted as living in many of those areas as well as Bodmin (where my 4th gr.grandfather was from). Many were tin miners. There were also a select group of Climos that were ordained priests.

A trip to Cornwall is now on the "bucket-list" ... would love to see where our branch came from. We found the house in Cornwall where we think (but hasn't been confirmed yet) my 4th gr.grandfather was born. I'd love to know what happened to his family after he left for NZ - James never saw them again. I have death records for Christopher & Mary Ann and James older brother, who died in infancy (and whom James was named after) and there were several other children whom I know nothing about.

William Henry Climo isn't a direct ancestor - although he would be a distant cousin of our James. I have his mother, Ann b.1828 but that is all I have on her - she was born in Bodmin and the only notes I have for William Henry is that his family lived in the St Austell area. I have Ann's parents as John Saunders and Mary Mann who married in 1818. Their children are listed as:

1819 - Margaret Saunders Climo (died in infancy)
1822 - Abraham Saunders Climo (insufficient information)
1823 - Catharine Bullock Climo (insufficient information)
1825 - Henrietta Ponson Climo (insufficient information)
1828- Ann Climo (insufficient information)
1830 - Elizabeth Climo (insufficient information - family births recorded in Bodmin)

(Funnily enough, back in the day when our family started researching this tree, John and Mary were incorrectly noted to be our James' parents ... which has since been corrected of course!)

John Saunders Climo's parents were Mathew Climo & Ann Saunders - I noted that Matthew & his sister Joice (who died in infancy) were born to Mary Climo but there is no marriage or partner recorded. Was their birth illegitimate also?

Our branch connects with this branch in 1599 - our common ancestors are John Clymmowe & Rebecca Hambley. Our direct line is through their son, Francis Clemow who married Ann Jane.

Kind regards,


Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Sunday 03 February 13 18:19 GMT (UK)
Hi,
My Great grandfather William Henry Climo was born 1858 in Penzance illegitimately to Ann Climo. The father has never been known.
Ann born 1840 in Penzance was the daughter of John Saunders Climo and Amelia Moon/Beckerleg.
This John Saunders Climo was born 1811 in Kingsbridge, Devon to another John Saunders Climo and his wife Mary whose last name was possibly Rowe. There is some confusion here because it is thought he also married a Mary Pasmore and a Mary Mann.
John Saunders Climo was born about 1789 in Bodmin to Matthew Climo and Ann Saunders/Sanders.
Matthew was born illegitimately to Mary Climo whose parents were John Climo and Frances Roe.

Regards.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: manomi on Monday 04 February 13 06:46 GMT (UK)
Hi,

after dong some digging myself about where my ancestors came from i found out that my great grandfather (number unkown sorry) is the James Climo that you mention. He came to NZ in 1841 as a 20 year old with his wife and i have a clipping from a local newspaper from when he died. While he was here he did some pretty cool stuff including the NZ Maori wars were he was wounded fighting, and his first born, Elizabeth Catherine Climo was the first born european baby in what i now New Plymouth (taranaki) and at some point was nursed by the governor general William Hobson.  The article mentions only one child who married George Pope and that line follows directly to my deceased grandmother.

If at all possible i would like to trace further into the Climo tree and any info would be great.

Title: Re: climo family
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 04 February 13 11:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Newstarter;
Quote;
This John Saunders Climo was born 1811 in Kingsbridge, Devon to another John Saunders Climo and his wife Mary whose last name was possibly Rowe. There is some confusion here because it is thought he also married a Mary Pasmore and a Mary Mann.

Marriage;
28 October 1806, St Petroc, Bodmin, Cornwall
John CLIMO, Grooms Parish St Andrew, Abode Plymouth
Mary PASMORE
(Source FreeREG)
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 04 February 13 13:00 GMT (UK)

This John Saunders Climo was born 1811 in Kingsbridge, Devon to another John Saunders Climo and his wife Mary whose last name was possibly Rowe. There is some confusion here because it is thought he also married a Mary Pasmore and a Mary Mann.

Marriage;
28 October 1806, St Petroc, Bodmin, Cornwall
John CLIMO, Grooms Parish St Andrew, Abode Plymouth
Mary PASMORE
(Source FreeREG)

Both Pasmore & Mann marriages can be found on Cornwall OPC
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

1808 marriage Cury
John Saunders CLEMOW to Mary ROWE
Both single both otp 2nd Witness Joseph Rowe


My William Henry was born 1858 in Penzance illegitimately to Ann Climo whose parents i believe were John Saunders Climo and Amelia Moon/Beckerleg.

John and Amelia had another son, John Saunders, who also emigrated to Canada and i believe became a very successful photographer.


from Cornwall OPC
Baptism  1835 Helston  John Saunders Climo
Parents John Saunders occ Tailor & Amelia
Dau Mary born 1838 Helston

Marriage 1832 Madron
John Sanders Climo bachelor to Amelia Beckerleg widow, 2nd witness to marriage was William Moon


From the IGI

William Henry Clemo Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Jun 1860  SAINT AUSTELL
Father's Name: John Clemo Mother Elizabeth


The 1860 CLEMO baptism as posted by CaroleW gives father John's occupation as Miner

William's 1880 marriage to Beatrice

William Henry Climo b1858 father John, both occupations given as Tailor
Beatrice Annie Bennett b1860 father  Peter miner, witnesses to marriage William Job & Mary Ann Bennett


William Henry Climo isn't a direct ancestor - although he would be a distant cousin of our James.
I have his mother, Ann b.1828 Bodmin but that is all I have on her

I have Ann's parents as John Saunders and Mary Mann who married in 1818. Their children are listed as:

1819 - Margaret Saunders Climo (died in infancy)
1822 - Abraham Saunders Climo (insufficient information)
1823 - Catharine Bullock Climo (insufficient information)
1825 - Henrietta Ponson Climo (insufficient information)
1828- Ann Climo (insufficient information)
1830 - Elizabeth Climo (insufficient information - family births recorded in Bodmin)


1819 Bodmin  Margaret Saunders Climo parents John occ Cordwainer & Mary
1822 Bodmin Abraham Saunders Climo parents John occ Labourer & Mary
1823 Bodmin Catharine Bullock Climo parents John occ Tailor & Mary
1825 Bodmin Henrietta Pennson Climo parents "        "      "           "
1828 Bodmin privately baptised Anne Climo "  "         "
1830 Bodmin privately baptised Elizabeth Climo "        "     "   born 13th Jan

Marriage 1821 Bodmin John Climo to Mary Mann, both single, both otp


The only census i have him on as William Henry CLIMO is the 1881 where he is married to Beatrice Bennetts and living in Redinnick Terrace, Penzance.

for info.
did you notice on the same 1881 census as William H Climo & Beatrice A Climo is

Martha C Sanders marr. with her  6 children,  Amelia Climo mother mar Tailors wife &
Amelia Beckerleg 49 retired dressmaker they are  living at No. 4 Redinnick Terrace






Title: Re: climo family
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 04 February 13 14:37 GMT (UK)
Apologies Ladyhawke as I had already typed this up;


Hi Amber1976 - Margaret Saunders Climo (died in infancy)
1822 - Abraham Saunders Climo (insufficient information)
1823 - Catharine Bullock Climo (insufficient information)
1825 - Henrietta Ponson Climo (insufficient information)
1828- Ann Climo (insufficient information)
1830 - Elizabeth Climo (insufficient information - family births recorded in Bodmin)

I am a bit confused here.
All have Fathers Occp as Tailor/Cordwainer except
ABRAHAM SAUNDERS 01 Sept 1822 ( Fathers Occp Labourer)

Other Climos to JOHN/MARY in Bodmin;
JOHN GEORGE 01 March 1816 (Taylor)
MARY ANN PAGE 15 April 1820 (Tailor)

Wouldnt this rule out the the 1818 Marriage to Mary MANN if 1st Child was Christened 1816?

Trish :)

EDIT;
John CLIMO Married Mary MANN 26 May 1821 Bodmin, Cornwall
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Cornwall OPC has John as Single so I think we are looking at the wrong Marriage?
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Seoras on Monday 04 February 13 15:08 GMT (UK)
Been following this thread as I wondered if the Cornish poet Jack Clemo belonged to any of your lines. He was born near St. Austell in 1916.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Clemo
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 04 February 13 18:48 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone, 
 Great to see the replies.Will try and clear a few things up hopefully.
William Henry Cornish Climo was born 1858 in Penzance. The other William Henry b1860 in St. Austell is a different one.
He was definitely born illegitimately to Ann Climo who was also born in Penzance in 1840.
On his marriage certificate to Beatrice Annie Bennetts he states his father as John. This i believe was really his Grandfather (Anns Father,John Saunders Climo).
William Henry, John Saunders and John Saunders/sanders before him were all Tailors.No miners.

The mystery for me is what happened to William Henry.
I do know that his wife Beatrice Ann remarried around 1886 using her maiden name Bennetts.
The story is that William Henry also remarried (cannot find anything) to a Mary from Porthleven, Cornwall and moved to Paddington, London using the surname Cornish.
He later ended up in Bristol Prison where he died.
What i need is something to prove that William Henry Climo and William Henry Cornish are the same person.

Regarding the 1881 Census William Henry did live in Redinnick Terrace with Martha Sanders as  a neighbour. This was his Aunt, his mother Anns sister.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 04 February 13 20:15 GMT (UK)
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William Henry Cornish Climo was born 1858 in Penzance

He was definitely born illegitimately to Ann Climo who was also born in Penzance in 1840.

The mystery for me is what happened to William Henry. The story is that William Henry also remarried (cannot find anything) to a Mary from Porthleven, Cornwall  moved to Paddington, London using the surname Cornish.

He later ended up in Bristol Prison where he died.

What i need is something to prove that William Henry Climo and William Henry Cornish are the same person.



Perhaps Ann gave a clue to his father's surname on his birth entry of William Henry Cornish Climo  :-\

1891 & 1901 census show William H Cornish & Mary have two daughters one of their birth certificates should give you their mother’s maiden name,
perhaps that might give you a lead to a possible marriage or maybe they didn't marry  :-\

Census show
Margaret J b1889 London

birth entry
Margaret Jane Cornish Dec 1888 Paddington London vol 1a page 76

and
Mary M b1898 London

birth entry
Mary Malbena Cornish Mar 1898 Paddington vol 1a page 70

Did Margaret Jane Cornish marry an Arthur Mundy in Bristol 1910?

Have you looked for Mary on latest census we can't post details indicates a marriage c1887

A long process you could look at all the Mary's born c 1868 Porthleven on 1881 census
and see if you can match any to William

this is the only marriage I've come up with around 1887 but it's in Devon & Mary has a middle name  ???

Dec 1886 St Thomas
William Cornish
Mary Grace Browning

as previously mentioned the birth certificate of one of the daughters would solve the mystery of her maiden name
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 04 February 13 21:09 GMT (UK)
 Hi Ladyhawk,
                    I will order one of his daughters birth certificates to find her maiden name. To be honest i had forgotten they included the mothers former name.
His daughter Margaret did marry Arthur Mundy and his wife then lived with them while he was in prison.

Do you know of any way i could find out if this William Henry Cornish is actually William Climo?

Regards
Newstarter
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 04 February 13 21:31 GMT (UK)


Do you know of any way i could find out if this William Henry Cornish is actually William Climo?



Difficult to say I don't know of any easy way of checking  ???

perhaps cross referencing birth entries with census entries and eliminate each one as you go 

but I can only see two for 1859 Cornwall
 William Henry Cornish Registration district Stratton and
William Henry Cornish Climo registration district Penzance

on the census 1881-1911 he's given his pob as Penzance so I can only assume he dropped his surname of Climo after 1881 census for whatever reason

Have you followed his mother Ann through the censuses - did she marry or did she have more children?

there's a Ann Climo b 1840 Penzance on 1871/1881/1891 with a daughter named Melvina b1864 son William J born b1867 Plymouth Devon, she's noted as unmarried 1871 - 1881 & widowed 1891- 1911  :-\


ADDED

You can eliminate the William Henry Cornish birth entry 1859 Stratton

bapt Kilhampton parents Phillp & Mary Anne

1861/71 born Kilkhampton with parents

1881/91 b1860 Kilkhampton Ag Lab. married to Mary Jane

marriage 1880 Stratton William Henry Cornish to Mary Jane Hamley

 
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 04 February 13 23:01 GMT (UK)
 Thanks Ladyhawk ,

I think i will just have to assume they are one of the same person.
I did check the censuses for his mother Ann and although it says widowed on the 1901 i don't think she ever married. She still had the name Climo.
You are correct, she had two further children Melvina and William john which makes me think even more that he is the same person because William Henry Climo named his son (my Grandfather) William John and William Henry Cornish gave one of his daughters the middle name Melvina.

Once again Thankyou for your help.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Amber1976 on Sunday 31 August 14 03:00 BST (UK)
Hi Fellow Climo's!

So, since my last post we have found a long-standing error in our tree regarding John Saunders Climo.

Our James Climo was long believed to be the son of Christopher Climo & his wife Mary Booking. However, records obtained since show that James Climo is in fact the son of James Saunders Climo & his wife Mary Mann. So my records now show this:

John Saunders Climo:
BORN: May 26 1799, Bodmin Cornwall.
DIED: Feb 14 1847, Bodmin Cornwall
MARRIED: Mary Mann (also known as Tarman?) 6 May 1821, Bodmin, Cornwall.
CHILDREN:
Margaret Saunders Climo 1819 - 1819 (died in infancy)
James Climo 1820-1911 (my 4th gr.grandfather, who emigrated to NZ with his wife Jane nee Phillips).
Abraham Saunders Climo 1822 - ?
Catharine Bullock Climo 1823 - ?
Henrietta Ponson Climo 1825 - ?
Ann Climo 1828 - ? (is this the Ann Climo, mother of William?)
Elizabeth Climo 1830 - ?

I found James Climo's birth record via the Cornwall online Parish registry which proves his parentage. James lived to the grand old age of 91 (4 mths shy of 92) and is buried in Havelock, New Zealand. At the time of his death, he had 250 living descendants here in NZ alone.

"William Henry Cornish Climo was born 1858 in Penzance. The other William Henry b1860 in St. Austell is a different one.
He was definitely born illegitimately to Ann Climo who was also born in Penzance in 1840.
On his marriage certificate to Beatrice Annie Bennetts he states his father as John. This i believe was really his Grandfather (Ann's Father, John Saunders Climo).
William Henry, John Saunders and John Saunders/Sanders before him were all Tailors. No miners."


I'm thinking your Ann might be the same Ann that is in my tree - born 10 years earlier though?
There's definitely only one John Saunders in our tree ... maybe Ann was born later?
Has got me thinking now!  ???
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Amber1976 on Sunday 31 August 14 03:30 BST (UK)
I'm reading through the Climo book to see if anything might match up for you:

John Saunders Climo m. Mary Mann in 1818

1819 - Margaret Saunders -died in infancy
1820 - James Climo
1822 - Abraham Saunders Climo
1823 - Catharine Bullock Climo
1825 - Henrietta Ponson Climo
1828 - Ann Climo
1830 - Elizabeth Climo

Is there another daughter, Martha, that you mentioned previously?
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Sunday 31 August 14 17:47 BST (UK)
The only James Climo in my records born around that time is James Booking Climo born 1822 and married a Amelia .....?? in Devon in 1841 after which they emigrated to New Zealand arriving April 1st 1841. He died 1911, Eleven children were reported and many,many descendents in New Zealand.
I have no record of James being born to John Saunders Climo.
The first John Saunders was born to Matthew and Ann Sanders in 1789. He married at least three times maybe four. He married a Mary Rowe ? in 1808 and the second John Saunders was born 1811.
The second John Saunders married Amelia Moon/Beckerleg who had Ann (my GGGrandmother) in 1840 and also another John Saunders who emigrated to Canada.
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Amber1976 on Monday 01 September 14 11:39 BST (UK)
James Climo who married Amelia and emigrated to NZ is my 4th gr.grandfather. He was born on 28 January 1820, in Bodmin Cornwall :)
He emigrated to NZ with his wife Jane Phillips (b.1821 St. Kew, Cornwall) whom he married in Stoke Damerel, Devon, on 30 October 1840. They arrived in New Plymouth NZ on 31 March 1841 on the ship, William Bryant, with Jane's widowed mother, Ann Phillips and her siblings in tow. They had 12 children, the eldest of which, Elizabeth Catherine Climo (later Pope) was the first European baby born in Taranaki. She was born on 08 November 1841. She is my 3rd gr. grandmother.
Jane died in Inglewood, NZ on 01 July 1884 of Tuberculosis & is buried in Inglewood cemetery. James married Amelia Russell (nee Kingcombe) the following year. She became a friend of James & Jane - a widow herself, she helped James nurse Jane through her illness. James & Amelia married in Halcombe, Manawatu on 24 June 1885. They moved to Havelock, in Marlborough, NZ where they lived until their deaths - James died on 11 Sept. 1911 at the age of 91 and Amelia died 3 months later on 22 December 1911 and they are buried in Havelock Cemetery.
From all the stories I have read about James, he was a very remarkable character. To live to the age of 91 in those times is a great feat. He did not retire until the age of 81, so the family stories go. He was a sawyer but he was also a respected herbalist - he learnt the Maori language fluently, and learnt everything about the culture and was respected among local Maori. He knew plants and flowers inside out. He was known for his walkabouts - he & Jane were ship-wrecked off the coast of Kawhia, and carrying their two young children on their shoulders, they walked 150 miles through dense bush, fording rivers and only receiving help from local Maori, not the missonaries. It has been noted that he also walked on foot from Auckland to New Plymouth and on another adventure, he walked from Havelock to Lyttleton, near Christchurch. (This probably one of his secrets to his longetivity)!

We have John Saunders Climo born to Thomas Climo (13 Sept 1738 - 13 Feb 1823) who married Catherine Burton (1758 - 13 Feb 1846). They married 25 December 1782 in Truro, Cornwall. John Saunders Climo was born 26 May 1799 in Egloshayle, Cornwall. He was the 8th-born child (10 children were born to Thomas & Catherine). He married Mary Mann (also known as Tarman) on 26 May 1818. John died 14 February 1847 and Mary died in 1861.

Our family records show John and Mary as James' parents and have done for many years but I know of a long-standing confusion/mystery of James Booking Climo and James Climo throughout the family. There is a baptism record for James Climo, son of John and Mary that exists from 1822 but there are 2 James Booking Climos recorded to have been born to Christopher and Mary Climo - one year apart (b. 1821 and 1822); the first of these two dying in infancy in 1822. There is a baptism record for a James Climo, in 1822, and he was the son of John and Mary.
I'm thinking this is where the confusion has begun?  ???
Title: Re: climo family
Post by: Newstarter on Monday 01 September 14 19:12 BST (UK)
Hi Amber1976,
What a remarkable story. I will have to look into this, sounds really interesting.
Must admit there is a whole lot of confusion with these climos even though it is an unusual name.
The "saunders" came from Ann "SANDERS" who Matthew Climo married in 1788. Its highly unlikely anyone would be named saunders/sanders before this.
I will look into it and let you know if I find anything.
By the way, really appreciate the info and the photos.