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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Kiwijohn007 on Monday 03 January 11 07:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I am researching my family tree and am looking for help with the following:
Wlliam Cawley born 25/2/1837 in Bardwell England, died 1903 in New Zealand. (My gggGrandfather)
Grace Cawley (nee Fisher) born 1834 possibly in Scotland, died 1890 in New Zealand. (My gggGrandmother)
I have found some information but dont know how accurate it is.
William (1806) and Dinah Cawley (1800) (nee Harvey) of Bardwell
Children:
John b: 1826
Edward b: 1830
Elizabeth b: 1832
Susan b: 1833
Dinah b: 1834
William b: 1837
Caroline b: 1838
Cecelia b: 1840
Harvey b:1843
Does anyone have any further information??? Am I on the right track??
Know for Grace, I have no information what so ever.
If anyone can help, that would be fantastic.
Thanks
John
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When, and where, did William and Grace marry?
When did they arrive in NZ? Have you looked at the immigration records?
1851 census (HO107/1791/516/7 - look it up on FreeCen) shows in Bardwell:
CAWLEY, William Head M 44 Brick Layer Journeyman b Hepworth, Suffolk
CAWLEY, Dinah Wife F 50 b Bardwell, Suffolk
CAWLEY, Edward Son M 21 Ag Lab b Troston, Suffolk
CAWLEY, William Son M 14 Ag Lab b Bardwell
CAWLEY, Caroline Daughter F 13 "At home" b Bardwell
CAWLEY, Ceccilia Daughter F 10 Scolar b Bardwell
The information you gave appears to match the 1841 census, reference HO107/1013/13/18, except there is (of course!) no mention of Harvey.
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I can't find the younger William on the 1861 census - but mother & father, are still in Bardwell:
Brother Edward, too. RG09/1139/61/8
CAWLEY, William Head M 54 Bricklayer b Hepworth
CAWLEY, Dinah Wife F 60 b Bardwell
CAWLEY, Edward Grandson M 4 Scholar b Bardwell
CAWLEY, Aron Grandson M 1 b Bardwell
Brother Edward, too. RG09/1139/52/15
CAWLEY, Edward Head M 31 Bricklayer b Bardwell
CAWLEY, Harriet Wife F 29 b Bardwell
CAWLEY, James Son M 4 b Bardwell
CAWLEY, William Son N 3 b Bardwell
and sister Celia/Cecilia. RG09/1139/64/13
SMITH, Sarah Widow F 54 Independent House Proprietor b Midhurst, Sussex
CAWLEY, Ceilia Servant F 21 Servant b Bardwell
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Hi and thanks for the quick reply.
Grace Fisher arrived in New Zealand about 1858 on a boat called the "Three Bells" this is from a record written in a family bible somewhere. I dont know how or where to begin to search for passenger lists.
Another note in a family journal states Grace was the Step daughter of a John Chisholm and daughter of Jean Fisher. But have no information other than that.
I dont have any idea when William Cawley arrived in New Zealand, but he and Grace married August 17, 1865 in Dunedin, New Zealand.
I also know William and Grace bought a farm in New Zealand and I have all the family history in NZ.
Sorry, I should have mentioned this all earlier.
Any further pointers as to where to look would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
John
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Sorry - I don't know anything about NZ records! Check the New Zealand forum here on Rootschat - there are bound to be pointers.
I would think that, if you can find William on passenger lists, there will be some details there.
It looks as if William travelled to NZ between 1851 and 1861 - as he is on the England 1851 census, but not on the 1861 census.
If Grace was born in Scotland, you will probably need to post in the Scotland forum - the records are quite distinct from those of England & Wales, and will need somebody with access to Scotlands People to look for you.
There is an 1851 Scotland census report of Grace Fisher:
John Chisholm 31
Jean Chisholm 43
Grace Fisher 17
4 Chisholm children
Grace born in Portmoak, Scotlandwell, Kinross
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John
Do you have Grace's NZ death certificate. It should name her parents, where she was born and also how long she was in NZ.
William's death cert should also give the same info for him. Might help to narrow down when he arrived.
Familysearch has some info. William was baptised 26 Feb 1837. William CAWLEY married Dinah HARVEY 11 Apr 1826 at Troston, Suffolk. There is also a Tree on Ancestral File on Familysearch for the CAWLEY and HARVEY families as well.
https://www.familysearch.org/
Ian C
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Also, from 1841 Scotland census:
John Chisholm M 20 Not born in county
Jean Chisholm F 30 Born in County
Christian Fisher F 8 Born in county
Grizel Fisher F 7 Born in County
Alexander Chisholm M 1 Born in County
All at Scotlandwell, Portmoak, Kinross-shire.
Looks like Grace was baptised Grizel?!
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The IGI has a marriage of John Chisholm to Jane Fisher at Portmoak on 14 Sep 1838.
Nigel
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Familysearch has a baptism of a Grizell FISHER at Portmoak, Kinross on 23 May 1833, parents James FISHER and Jean FISHER.
James FISHER married Jean FISHER at Portmoak, 10 Apr 1830. There was an older Michael as well as the Christian. James possible son of Michael FISHER and Grizel HERDMAN, born 1794 at Portmoak.
Ian C
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Thanks for the quick replies, I really appreciate it.
Ian,
I am fairly new to tracing the family, and have only just found out about what will potentially be on the death certificate. I will arrange to purchase these through BDM Online from New Zealand and see what it contains.
Thanks for the added info. Looks very promising indeed.
Nigel
Thanks for the added info on when Jean married John Chisholm. Much appreciated.
KGarrad
Thankyou for the additional information.
The name Grizel is interesting as I have heard someone else in the family talk about the name Grizel as well, but did not know where or who it applied to. You may have solved a family mystery, so thankyou for that.
Thankyou all
John
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Hi all,
I have today ordered via NZ BDM online the death printouts for both William and Grace Cawley. So now its a wait and see what is contained within them and which way forward after that.
I will let you know what is contained within the documents.
Thankyou all for the help you have given me so far. I appreciate it very much.
John
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Hi all,
I have some information from Grace Fishers death certificate:
Died 1890 age 64 (not sure this is correct)
Born Scotland in NZ approx 30 years, so arrived in NZ about 1860
Father James Fisher, farmer
Mother Ann Fisher nee Crombie
Married William Cawley 1865 in Dunedin New Zealand
Can anyone help with any further information?
Thanks
John