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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: gill10 on Monday 03 January 11 04:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi all I am looking for any info on the JOHN family from Bettws near Maesteg / Bridgend. In particular LLEWELLYN JOHN which seems to be the given name for 4 generations. There were many siblings within the generations such as EVAN, ELVIRA,THOMAS,MARTHA & TYDFELL (may have been twins)CHRISTOPHER, HENRY,CATHERINE,MARY if you have any JOHN's in your family tree from that area PLEASE let me know. Also would anyone know the following - In 1861 family showing in SYTTY BETTWS would this be the village? In 1841 showing CITY UCHA? In 1851 showing TANNERDY? Also in 1901 showing BRYNHANLOG CITY BETTWS?
Any suggestions or ideas would be apprieiated
Thanks :-)
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Hi Gill, Bettws isn't a particularly big village, and I'm pretty certain that most of it is 1950's council housing at the moment (although it's been a little while since I've been through there).
There are a lot of farms and small hamlets in the area. I do wonder whether Sytty should actually be Shwt. National Archives do have a listing for Cityissia in Bettws though??
Regarding City Ucha, there is (was?) a farm called Shwt Uchaf there as well. National Archives have the most probable spelling as Cityuwcha.
Tannerdy does appear to be the correct spelling - National Archives have it listed in the Bettws area for the 1851 census returns
I suspect that a lot of these places may well no longer exist - not the most helpful reply I know
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thanks any reply is helpfull as i am new to this family tree researching.
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gill10,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Have managed to find "City" and "City Ganol" on an 1884 Ordnance Survey Map. They are close together, separated on the map by a Unitarian Church.
The description of the present St David's Church, Bettws states "there is a place of worship for Unitarians". You can find it on Street View at the junction of Heol Dewi Sant and Betws Rd.
The "City Ganol" is interesting. "Ganol" = middle - but no sign of the "Uchaf" (higher) or "Isaf" (lower) that might go with it. Suspect "City" only is one of them
Yet to check for Tannerdy
regards
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Rechecking old map for Tannerdy and found St David's Church, Bettws marked on it. Not the site of my Unitarian one but helps pinpoint it on the modern map. It's South of St Davids.
regards
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Using google search/street view come south along the Betws road to the junction with Tudor Drive (ploughed field on left).
Just below the ploughed field is junction with a road (unnamed) to the left - but which can't be navigated by street view (in spite of the usual indicators).
To the left is "City" according to the old map.. The house at this junction to the right of Betws Rd wd appear to be "City Ganol".
Can anyone confirm if there was once (or still is) a Chapel at this spot?
regards
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Hello :)
According to Genuki, City was a hamlet of Bettws:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Bettws/
Kind regards
Morgan
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Yes - I'd seen that.
I'm just trying to relate the location of "City/City Ganol" on the 1884 OS map with the modern Google image
regards
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Just stumbled across this with my Auntie and Uncle here today as we were looking for the church where Llewellyn and Mary John are buried. I had already visited the Church and City Ganol Farm.
One of Llewellyn and Mary's children was John John who emigrated to Australia and changed his name to John Johns. He is my Great Great Grandfather.
St Davids Church in Bettws is where Llewellyn and Mary are buried and I do even have more information if this is still wanted. The farm was sold a few years ago and I think the old farm house may be demolished now, though I did see it still there in 2005 and not far from there are John family decendents still in Bettws.
I live near Aberdare now (moved from Australia in 2006) and would like to visit the church again to check on old records and surely would enjoy company if any decendents of Llewellyn and Mary would like to join me :D
The attached pic is me next to there graves :)
Peace, Mark.
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Hello Mark :)
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Modified - sorry I had the Carmarthenshire place instead of the Glamorganshire one.
The Parish registers for Betws are at Swansea Record Office:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Bettws/#ChurchRecords
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=30183
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Thanks Morganllan!
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Hello Mark. You dont know how pleased i am to get your info. I live in Treorchy but work in Aberdare. I am going on holidays on Wens but will be very interested in maybe meeting upwith you at a later date. I havent got much info as i have found it extremly time consuming trying to trace my family tree on my own. I always said that if i won the lottery i would pay someone who knew what they were doing to trace all my family tree. I have this desire to find out! So gald to hear from you. Please would you email me then after my hoildays i can contact you. Thanks Gill. My email is (*)
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Hi Gill :D
Will try to remember to when you return, but if I forget my email is (*) (yes LL is for Llewellyn :p).
My Grand Auntie did much on John Johns' family tree (basically is complete up to like 5 years ago ... she passed on a couple of years ago). She kind of tasked me with tracing back further than John, but I've been a bit slack on it :-\
The link Morganllan provided says that
"Parish registers prior to 1706 were lost when the place they were kept caught fire. " :-[
But you never know until you go, so definitely would like to try and track down any records.
Enjoy your holiday!
Warm wishes, Mark.
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Hi Gill
Just posting this to let you know that it's possible the Parish records are at Aberystwyth (near the University or something) and so there's two places I/we will need to check out. This was told to me by one of the men who I do an over 50s IT training session for on Wed in Aberdare. He has traced his descendants back to around 1600s :).
PM me (coz quite rightly we shouldn't link emails on a forum) when you get back from your holiday and have time maybe can give you my phone number or something if you really are up for making some time for this :)
Best wishes, Mark.
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The Parish registers for Betws (Glamorgan) are at Swansea Record Office:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Bettws/#ChurchRecords
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=30183
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Ah thankyou Morganllan
I now see you did a correction. That's where the confusion was then when I was discussing with Jerry...as there's Betws near Ammanford. Jerry was convinced it is Aberystwyth for the one near Maesteg (spelt Bettws, but with Betws Road running through it lol....no wonder the Welsh confuddled the English :P), but I'll try Swansea first...much easier to Swansea than Aberystwyth...plus I think maybe higher chance you are correct :P
Cheers, Mark.
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Hi Mark. Im not sure how to contact you now with my email or phone no. Not sure how to send a personal message?? Maybe someone could explain how too? Do u know how to contact me because we cant put personal details on here.
Thanks
Gill :)
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Hello gill10 :)
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Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hi Gill ......I have Johns in my family from Bettws but not the ones you named ,they were farmers they farmed Moelgilau ,but I have the booklet for St Davids Church and have found a lot of your family in it ,have you got it? if not you can get it from Glamorgan F.H.S ..............Marion
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Thank you Marion. It seems to be that John was a popular surname in the Bettws area.
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Hi Gill
I just found your request for info on the John family while looking for my cousins post code. She sold City Farm a few years ago to property developers who intended building on the land, the builders ran into financial difficulties and sadly the farm burnt down. However my cousin still lives nearby and she is a descendant of Llewellyn John. She was born in City Farm. Please send me a personal message if you need any more details.
My father has now reminded me of a conversation he had with Uncle Henry about the origins of the farm name, Uncle Henry said that the name "City" had derived from "Saith Ty" as there were once seven houses in that area.
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Kind Regards
Morgan
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Just stumbled across this with my Auntie and Uncle here today as we were looking for the church where Llewellyn and Mary John are buried. I had already visited the Church and City Ganol Farm.
One of Llewellyn and Mary's children was John John who emigrated to Australia and changed his name to John Johns. He is my Great Great Grandfather.
St Davids Church in Bettws is where Llewellyn and Mary are buried and I do even have more information if this is still wanted. The farm was sold a few years ago and I think the old farm house may be demolished now, though I did see it still there in 2005 and not far from there are John family decendents still in Bettws.
I live near Aberdare now (moved from Australia in 2006) and would like to visit the church again to check on old records and surely would enjoy company if any decendents of Llewellyn and Mary would like to join me :D
The attached pic is me next to there graves :)
Peace, Mark.
I know this is an old post, just hopefully some John family descendants might see it!
I too am descended from John John, who changed his name to Johns, in Australia. However my research indicates his parents were John John and Mary Edwards. If anyone has any information that could confirm or deny this I would greatly appreciate it.
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Something else to think about. One of my ancestors was named Rees Jones and I also had his parents names in a family Bible but couldn't find anything on them. Then someone suggested that they could have changed their name from John to Jones. This is what had happened and incidentally they lived near Bettws too. I don't think it is the same family.